Another One Bites The Dust!!!

[Scarface]

DO NOT DRIVE A BOAT BETWEEN THE GREEN BOUY AND SHORE AT LONG POINT!!!!!! EVER!!!!!!

A very nice boat is resting on the bottom (in shallow water) near Long Point resort tonight. Looks to be a 25 to 30 ft long, enclosed cabin with a flying bridge. Story as I was told (so this is 4th hand info to you) was it hit the inside rock pile near the buoy, started to sink, the two passengers swam to shore. The boat drifted to shore near the harbor. Didn’t sound like anyone was injured. When I went by they were trying to float it with 2 large pumps. I went back before dark and it was still on the bottom and it looked like they quit for the night.

[curt quesnell]

Thats what those bouys are for.

Also, thats my secret fishing spot (ooops).

Glad nobody was hurt. There should be a test

on the most basic rules of boating people should

take be able to drive a boat you see people

driving in hazardous water all the time.

[sachem longrifle]

Some new fishing structure was created

[Hemlock]

Do the red and green buoys rules still apply in the US same as the Canadian side? Red, right, return rule?

[Hines R]

If it's the one I'm thinking of it's a little bit weird how it's marked. They really don't have a red and green buoy. They just have a buoy out at the end of it. I personally think it should be a shallow danger type buoy and not a directional buoy. I almost screwed up at one point and drove to the inside of that buoy. I hadn't been in that area much so I was taking it slow and realized in time.

Ryan

[Scarface]

This is the second large boat to hit the same rock pile in the last 10 days or so. I also saw a 25 ft Sport Craft hit it a week ago. Hit hard, bounced over and blew back into it and continues to pound against the rocks in 3 ft swells.

I agree about the color of the buoy, it should be red. I sent an email to the DNR in Baudette a few years ago asking if the color was correct.. They said that boaters on LOW didn’t know what the colors meant anyway so it would stay green. I would be a little upset if I drove my boat on the correct side a green buoy only to smash into a reef.

[eyepatrol]

I've got my own rules...stay the heck away from them! Unless I'm going to fish the markers, then I'll approach slllooowwwllly.

[Lip RIPPER!]

I agree on the color of that buoy. It would be easier to see if it was red. I made the mistake of running on the inside of it during a tourney this year while the wind and waves were smashing my eyelids. A person can go thru there if you know where you are going but we got lucky. My gps trail on the way out there got erased somehow. It is marked on the map though.

[Hines R]

I just don't see how a green or a red buoy would mark what is basically a danger area. The buoy must be around 2 blocks off shore if not even further.

If I we're coming at this buoy from the North and followed the rule of "Red Right Returning" I would if I went according to guidelines have to keep this green buoy to my left. I would then slam into the shallow water. I truly think this is incorrectly marked and as people run more and more of the lake it will continue to cause accidents.

I would also think that this danger area should have at least 2 shallow or danger buoys marked on it. This would create a reference point that a reef is running from shore to where it ends.

We should really try to do something about this.

Ryan

[widetrack]

Red right return (to port Warroad) the color is correct.

I can show you many instances up North where the color of the buoy doesn't seem to make sense until you think about it.

[curt quesnell]

Zipple Bay has a big green bouy in front of the Jetty.

It matches up with the one at Long Point. Boats need

to stay outside of the green bouy. I see boats zipping

around all those boulders at Zipple and I wonder if they

have any idea what they are doing and how close they are

to trouble.

The one at Long Point is a bit hard to see because it is

so far out but it is on the paper and gps maps. You are

supposed to know where you are going.

[Kaz]

I believe the correct colors should be a bouy with white, black and red stripes around it. That is a DANGER bouy and they should put several of them all the way to shore. Minnetonka has many shallow rock piles and that's the way they are marked.... To bad for the SportCRAFT owner, I'm a Sporty owner too and I almost ran over that same area several years ago...Kaz

[Hemlock]

Quote:

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Red right return (to port Warroad) the color is correct.

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Kaz, is this a whole different set of rules, since it's a different state/province/country? Reason I ask is becasue "Return" always means returning to port of Kenora.

[widetrack]

Red right return to port kenora will put you on every rock marked on the lake.

Current flows South to North. So red right return means return to port Warroad.

[Hemlock]

Rule up here is.... stay to the right of the red returning....to Kenora that is. Other's will say "hold red on your right against the current" Either way, it means the same thing. I've never touched a rock. Must be different down there. There's only a few danger spots on the MN side though, vs. 1000's of "opportunities" here. Are we disagreeing, or saying the same thing?

[widetrack]

We are saying the same thing, but differently. I mean keep the red can to your right on returning to Warroad, not the boat to the right.

Uffda... eh?

[Scoot]

Careful Hemlock, saying things like "I've never touched a rock" is a sure-fire way to jinx yourself!

The old saying about LOW is still true- there's two types of people on LOW- those who have hit rocks and those who will hit rocks.

[widetrack]

I've put dings in lots of those rocks back in the old 25hp kicker days... never one with a can next to it though...

[Paul Waldowski]

RedRightReturning - The Coast Guard originated it on the rivers. When going upstream, keep the red buoys on your right.

[Hemlock]

Thanks Paul....if you know the rules so well, then why are you running an aluminum prop up here?????

Widetrack: uffda, eh! That says it all.

Scoot: I know I cursed myself, but it's the truth. for now, anyways...

[Paul Waldowski]

Hemlock and you're asking me that question AFTER you saw how I run that boat??

[Kaz]

Hemlock: "Red Right Return" up stream,is always the rule. The White top, Red and Black stripes around the danger bouy is just that "Danger" and should be placed on all sides of a Rock pile or both sides of a Shallow Water Hazard. I really think the Cost Guard on LOTW doesn't always do what they should. A week ago on Saturday they were trying to pull that unlighted floating thing out of the way in front of Pine. Well, they just gave up and left it a little further out in a direct heading from the Gap to Garden. I tried to call them, as well as Charlie from River Bend, on Channel 16 several times to tell them of their serious blunder. They never answered, although they were still on the water, because their truck with all of the antennas, lights and trailer was still at the landing. True, they were "Hobby Guards" not the paid USCG, but still they shoulds of been on top of the problem. That "floating disaster waiting to happen" could be worst than running aground off of long point, especially in rough water, or at night.. I think those of us that own property up there should make then accountable. They are spending big money, from the Home Land Security, for watching the boarder, when they could do that at the sametime as taking care of some of things that can really create problems.. I'm done with "My Soap Box"... The fishing was GREAT!!! Kaz

[warrior]

I was up on Sat Kaz sorry I missed you again! Whats this unlighted floating thing your talking about? Is it another can marker? The reason I ask is because I never saw it. All I saw was a boat upsidedown in the gap. I grew up boating on the St Croix and Mississippi and Tonka (my Dad has always had a big boats) and its always red right returning upstream. I will never forget as long as I live. But... The bouys have to be correct for this rule to work. just my 2 cents. Oh and the fishing was GOOD hehe

[Hemlock]

Thanks for clarifying Kaz. Things are different on the CDN side however. We do not have several cans on or around danger areas. Too many hazards. We simply have the red/green cans and once in a while you will find a "ring boy" which is red with a black stripe and that is placed right on the rock. They do that in instances where the main track goes straight for the hazard, and you can go to either side of it. They are also introducing the new buoy system up here, I beleive they are called cardinal buoys. I have not mastered that system yet, but there are only a few of them on the lake.

[Kaz]

Warrior: Yes I stopped over at your place and talked to your neighbor to the right, said you had been around, but not then. I guess I also missed you over at the resort too. Oh well maybe next time... That "Can" I was talking about was the one out toward Nine Footer last year. This year it broke loose and stopped kind of in front of the Pine washout. It was floating on it's side and was very hard to see.. This summer most of the time I'd make a wide swing on my way to Morris Point or on the way to Zipple.. It's a dirty orange ands looks like it weighed a ton!! Oh well, just be careful.. Hemlock: Ya there are to many rock piles to mark on the Canadian side.. I Musky fished for many years with Bill Sandy when he was a young guy and his parents had Monument Bay Resort.. Traveled from there past Outer Bay and Big Narrows up the channel from American Point to almost Kenora, hunting the Musk. Know all about the "Rocks"!!! I thing I've replace a lower unit or two back then...LOL But seriously, they should place some Danger Bouys on the US side, especially on the "Not So Obvious" hazards, like Long Point... I'd hate to see another boat wrecked on the rocks at L/P. And as Curt said, his brother was involved in a rescue, from just a leaky hose, or what ever. God forbid, someone runs into that Can and nobody is close to get them out of the water... Ya, the fishing was VERY GOOD!!! Hey, Down Riggin, check the plugs every few minutes, some don't trip the releases....Can't get a fish with one already on the line.. LOL Kaz