What do you think?

[tedl]

[jerkbait]

 Originally Posted By: tedl

Thorn, your posts are so scientific, I can't keep up

I think the moral of the story is shoot more deer!!!!

Heck yeah!!! Lets go get em, BROWN IS DOWN!!! They are such tasty morsels!!!

[BLACKJACK]

Thorne, I don't care who you're quoting or how many letters they have behind their names, your post made it sound like MN had too many deer and that the only answer was to shoot more deer. I was just pointing out that there are large areas of MN where that isn't so, where deer are still hard to find and doe permits are necesary.

In some area of zone 4 the DNR found out that the All Season license was not a good thing, that people were shooting too many does, that the deer population had dipped too far.

In the past, if a group of deer ran by me, I always used to shoot the biggest doe in the bunch because I like venison but now that the deer population has dipped down, I pass on the big doe because she'll be the one next spring that drops twins or triplets, and I like to see deer, whether its hunting season or during the summertime.

[Thorn]

well if you can't find 'em do what Roger Raglin says..If you're not seeing big bucks get up and move..Trust me, or Dr Lee, Tom, Dick and Harry or the DNR. They're there.

I read somewhere [prolly the STRIB] that parents were shooting their kids's deer in Zone 4. Take a kid with ya and not just their tag.

Why is the DNR going to extend the hunting days in Zone 4 this year?

I like to use my unequivocal tones based on scientific sound studies and practice what I preach.

Heck I lived in TX for 40 years, did I see deer there..hardly.

I move here for the recreation and have enjoyed it emensley.

What is the DNR goal as of 2008 for the MN deer population?

It'd be a whole lot better if they'ed extend firearm seasons.

And yes, you're right not all places contain the same amount of deer. I never said that, point being was habitat in MN is being wrecked and some species of plants in some areas are being devoured into non existance. Then what? it certaintly will be less sustaining for QDM........... right? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not.

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A realignment of permit areas in northern Minnesota was also proposed, causing zone 4 permit areas north of U.S. Highway 10 to become part of zone 2. This would create one continuous nine-day season instead of the current split seasons of two and four days. Forested permit areas 205, 211, 214, 283, and 284 in zone 2 would be moved to zone 1, creating a 16-day season. In order to further increase deer management opportunities in the Twin Cities area, the DNR proposed a metro deer zone in permit areas 228 and 337. The firearm season in this zone would extend from the start of the general season to the end of the 3B season (23 consecutive days).

[ANYFISH]

Thorn is that realignment info from the DNR. I live 214 and it had just changed from zone 4 a couple years ago and is south/west of hwy 10. Lots of woods but not large expanses of forest. I would be agianst a 16 day season here, at least for now.

[00rowe]

I hunt in 214 and if there was a 16 day season, some areas would be completely wiped out of deer. The main reason for this, low income families that shoot as many deer as possible, this includes amish, I personally know of an area east of Bertha a few miles that 35 deer were taken by amish hunters in 2 square miles, and they weren't the only ones hunting there. It probably wouldn't help "trophy" hunters out either seems like they disappear after 1st weekend and the pressure ramps up.

[Thorn]

Speaking of Amish being resourcful, I need someone to help me make a gun cabinet.

[Thorn]

 Originally Posted By: ANYFISH

Thorn is that realignment info from the DNR. I live 214 and it had just changed from zone 4 a couple years ago and is south/west of hwy 10. Lots of woods but not large expanses of forest. I would be agianst a 16 day season here, at least for now.

Yes,

There was a public input meeting a few months ago specifically for that area. A little over 100 people attended. According to DNR official Lou Cornaceli [sp] the extended days will also allow for a better hunting experience and will not have any adverse effects on the deer herd.

Although, a few well placed shots might have some kind of effect on some of 'em.

I'm all for the pursuit of happiness.

[00rowe]

Thorn, I know a guy just east of Bertha that can make anything, he has done a lot of work for family and is very nice, not sure how to get in contact with him being without a phone but I know where he lives if you're interested.

[jvjohnson]

so you guys are saying that if i pass on a doe with the thught that that buck might be comming soon after IM A BAD HUNTER.

[SDbowhunter]

I strongly support QDM when it is made an individual decision on quality land able to sustain large deer population.

I have shot 2 bucks in my life my first spike and a small 6 pointer. My brother and I have not shot a small buck for 7 years. I have seen and missed a few big ones. Hunting gets better every year. We try to shoot for bucks 18" wide or ultimately a 150 class deer or bigger.

I have let many bucks go that the average minnesotan would shoot. Thats fine. Everyones trophy is differnt. Every year we get our fill of doe's either bowhunting or with the rifle. I get as much excitement shooting a doe as I do a small buck. I realized at the age of 15 that QDM is real. My brother and I were the youngest in our hunting party to start and now everyone has increased their standards and expectations.

For me there is no point in shooting small bucks. I understand the idea that you want to fill your freezer with meat. I think many people that hunt similar quality areas I do would realize the benefits of QDM.

Typically I will see at least 15 deer during the course of the season and the oppurtunities for that once in lifetime buck are just to great to use that tag on little buck that maybe the buck of a lifetime the next year.

I am against legislation for the earn a buck, with the understanding that the fist buck someone shoots, or a small deer taken in a certain situation, or the deer of an aging hunter are all trophys of an indescribable size.

People who support QDM need to convince their nieghbors, friends, and family. It come down to if you like to hunt deer or do you like to shoot deer. Many deer hunters are just deer shooters.

For me its about challenging my skills, showing determination, and following what I think is the right thing to do in my situations.