Question For CNY Tim

[Windy City Walleye Hunter]

Hey Tim,

What are your thoughts on the Cy Young? Do you think Carpenter deserves it in the NL? I've got to give it to the kid. He did have one more victory and a lower ERA than Carp, and he played on a team that was clearly inferior to the Cards lineup of hitters. As for the AL, it seems like Bartolo really had no competition though Santana put up some impressive 2nd half stats, he may have blown any consideration in his last start. As for my Pale Hose, I will trade what the three starters did any day over 1 award. In the 6 month baseball season the White Sox had the Pitcher of The Month in 3 of the 6 months with Garland and Buehrle in April and May and Contreras in September when they really needed him. I don't think there has been a team that can claim 50% of the Pitchers of The Month, has there? If anybody will know, I know you will. So my votes would go to Dontrell and Bartolo. How bout you?

[fishyguy]

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Hey Tim,

What are your thoughts on the Cy Young? Do you think Carpenter deserves it in the NL? I've got to give it to the kid. He did have one more victory and a lower ERA than Carp, and he played on a team that was clearly inferior to the Cards lineup of hitters. As for the AL, it seems like Bartolo really had no competition though Santana put up some impressive 2nd half stats, he may have blown any consideration in his last start. As for my Pale Hose, I will trade what the three starters did any day over 1 award. In the 6 month baseball season the White Sox had the Pitcher of The Month in 3 of the 6 months with Garland and Buehrle in April and May and Contreras in September when they really needed him. I don't think there has been a team that can claim 50% of the Pitchers of The Month, has there? If anybody will know, I know you will. So my votes would go to Dontrell and Bartolo. How bout you?

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Windy I am surprised that your vast knowledge at superior eye for talent did not give yourself your own answer to the pitcher of the month question. I will give it to your though. In 2004 the Minnesota Twins had 3 pitcher of the month awards in July, August and September and the pitchers were Santana, Santana, and ummm.....Santana, when we really needed him.

Also, what about Santana's last start blew his chances. Here is his line from the game.

7 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 9 K and the Win.

How did that hurt his chances? I certainly understand somebodies argument that he doesn't deserve it this year but you have got to be kidding me if that line would hurt anyones chances.

[genegodawa]

That Ummmm was a good one.

Without putting much thought into it, I seem to remember an Orioles team with Cuellar, Palmer, and I don't know who else (Flanagan?) or if they were pitchers of the month, but I would take that rotation over quite a few others - past and present.

[juggs]

The 1971 Orioles had four starters who won 20 games--Palmer, Cuellar, Pat Dobson and Dave McNally. Their offensive lineup wasn't too bad, either.

[genegodawa]

McNally I remember but never would have gotten Dobson.

Didn't that team have 2 Robinson's on it?

Yep, those starters had it easy back then didn't they, with all those closers they could give the ball to after the 5th or 6th - NOT!

[CNY Tim]

Cy Young to be honest I think the personal accolades detract from the tasks at hand.. My philosophy is TEAM WINS! Pitching, Defense and Hitting and playing all 9, and being a good teammate and doing everything they can even when not 100%, the grit, the determination and the mountain no matter how high overcoming it and getting that ring. To heck with stats I say., all I heard was Carpenter's 9.15 era over his last 3 starts and the nay sayers were worried how he would pitch. He might have not been the best the last 3 games but he sure delivered 6 quality innings before the hand cramp. O runs 3 hits and 3 K's.. Now are bull pen all seasom has done this when ever we have a big lead they lack concentration and focus but I still believe they will do the job when it matters and that's when it counts. It's a good thing we have good starters because if we had blown that 8 - 0 lead I was gonna jump on a plane down to St. Louis and let these bull pen screw ups have it. Other than that today showed that Pujols does not have to do it all by himself... Edmonds, Sanders and Walker are still dangerous.

"That's a winner!

BTW Windy it was a freaking slow pitch softball game the way the Palos man-handled the Red Sox. I have always been a big Podsednick guy and for him to drill that 3 run blast I felt happy for em. Congrats on your win as well... Two more to go bud and Heck Ill even do this for you right now! "YOU CAN PUT THE SOX ON THE SLAB.... YES!!!!

[Windy City Walleye Hunter]

Tim,

I was refering to 3 different pitchers who won the award for the year. Although Santana may have been wonderkid that year but he only accounted for about 20 wins. The three Sox pitchers accounted for about 50 thereby inforcing your attitude of team players. I know you did not send the reply to the pitcher question but I was asking you and everybody else chimed it. As for the 4 Oriole pitchers, did they give a pitcher of the month award back then...I'm not sure. Anywho, great victories for both our boys. This is the first home post season victory for my Pale Hose since I was born, back in 1959, WOW.

YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD...YES!

[Windy City Walleye Hunter]

Fishy,

I thought that Santana got tagged with the three earned runs, according to somebody else on the thread it was Crain. Sorry, my bad! If Gardy did in fact take him out one batter too early then it must have been a brain cramp on his part though it does make for an interesting stat to lead the league in ERA with a losing record! Windy

[genegodawa]

Windy,

I'll take 80 wins and no pitchers of the month versus your 50 wins with 3 potm anyday. As to the Santana 20 win comment, wasn't that a season when the Twins won the division? Must have taken more than 20 to do that so once again the potm has no value -- I'll take the div crown and no potm's any season. Nice that you make Sox pitchers sound so great by comparing 3=50 to 1=20 but team wins and the div crown mean much more than potm. And if you can't admit that a guy who is potm 3 times in a season doesn't have some pretty good stuff....well I guess you're riding that one-way street again.