Rosenfels traded to Giants.

[goblueM]

Clausen had a 47 QB this preseason... i'd call that pretty disappointing, wouldn't you?

[zepman]

Yes I would...but by the reports coming from the NFL network and others he had a really good camp and is set at the #2 q-back spot.

He's probably not ready to start just yet but I bet it won't be long in Carolina.

Much like the Sage trade to the Giants...I just think this will prove to be a mistake by the Vikings. Who knows....

[Shack]

Zep, I agree, but would hold true for someone in their mid-late 20's and has "some" regular season field time in (let's thinking from a year from now) say the last 2-3 years. Sage has almost no time and is approaching his mid 30's. He had a good showing during pre-season and they played off that to get something for him. He is at that point in his carrier where (IMO) the Vikes, and Sage himself, can not afford to have him as a third string back-up not seeing any season play. I feel one more season of this would have dropped his value huge. Maybe to point of hanging up his jersey?

At least he is going to a team as the true back-up and maybe can add some stats to his carrier now before he gets hurt or retires?

IMO it comes down to health first, but then resent Pro NFL stats take precedence:

Jackson

Sage

Hypothetically, not having much knowledge of the past other than the above & amount of field time, age, and current training camp and pre-season info, realistically which one would an NFL team decide to keep or want for their backup QB? Which one "should" they choose to waive, cut, or trade if the roster countdown has come to the end and both are healthy? If you pull yourself away from opinions formed and emotion that has been had, it is a clear choice. Really no shocker IMO.

Yeah, Yeah, you guys hate Jackson. I know, I know. For me, there has not been enough presented to form any like or hate with the guy. I think he has had a bum ride that has not stopped, but what do you do when Favre wants to play?

[FISHINGURU]

It's simple, you keep the QB that gives your playoff caliber team the best chance to win if your starter goes down. That isn't Junkson, I feel bad for anyone that thinks he's a franchise QB.

[Shack]

FG, I am talking back-up here! Who knows with Jackson as a starter. I sure do not, other than the 12 he started in 2007.

Actually if you look at Jacksons 2008 stats and compare them to Sage's 2007, Sage had a good year.

I am starting to think Ziggy is wanting the move to LA. Our state does not have it together enough financially to host a decent franchise, much less the Vikings. I also think the MN Vikings fans base is following suit. Forbes recently just said this pretty much and I think the move is more reality now, then it has ever been. Maybe Minnesota's procrastinating nature will kick in at the last minute? I am not even sure a good season this year could help this.

[harvey lee]

The Vikes will get a new stadium. Everyone gets one in time and I do not believe Minnesota wants the Vikes to leave.

The Legislature will come through.

[harvey lee]

Zep, I agree, but would hold true for someone in their mid-late 20's and has "some" regular season field time in (let's thinking from a year from now) say the last 2-3 years. Sage has almost no time and is approaching his mid 30's. He had a good showing during pre-season and they played off that to get something for him. He is at that point in his carrier where (IMO) the Vikes, and Sage himself, can not afford to have him as a third string back-up not seeing any season play. I feel one more season of this would have dropped his value huge. Maybe to point of hanging up his jersey?

At least he is going to a team as the true back-up and maybe can add some stats to his carrier now before he gets hurt or retires?

IMO it comes down to health first, but then resent Pro NFL stats take precedence:

Jackson

Sage

Hypothetically, not having much knowledge of the past other than the above & amount of field time, age, and current training camp and pre-season info, realistically which one would an NFL team decide to keep or want for their backup QB? Which one "should" they choose to waive, cut, or trade if the roster countdown has come to the end and both are healthy? If you pull yourself away from opinions formed and emotion that has been had, it is a clear choice. Really no shocker IMO.

Yeah, Yeah, you guys hate Jackson. I know, I know. For me, there has not been enough presented to form any like or hate with the guy. I think he has had a bum ride that has not stopped, but what do you do when Favre wants to play?

Shack, I think you are wromg when you state people hate Jackson. They just simply believe he does not have it to be a good QB.

What do you do when Farve wants to play, play him, that also is a no brainer. If Jackson was good enopugh, we would not be trying to get Farve for another season or some one else.

Pretty much that simple.

[FISHINGURU]

Some people still don't get how big of a mistake Junkson really is. We moved up to take him in the 2nd round when he was a projected 5th round pick, Chilly took heat for it then and he explained how Junkson was gonna be our future (puke face).

What is this Junksons 5th year now? Some people still claim they haven't seen enough of the guy? All you hear is how he's getting better, I hope so you can't get any worse, saying someone might be getting better means nothing when your beyond junk. He's not even playing at a level rookies play yet to this day.

Who moves up in the 2nd round for a projected 5th round QB to be a career backup? Chilly has issues putting his career on the line riding and dying with the Junkmeister!!

[nonteepical]

actually the real blame is on studwell, he's the head of the vikings draft. by the way Leinert goes to the texans.

[zepman]

actually the real blame is on studwell, he's the head of the vikings draft. by the way Leinert goes to the texans.

TJack was Chilly's pick...plain and simple. Studwell does not pick anyone in the draft...he accumulates information on players to be evaluated by the entire staff at a later point.

I agree FG...it's no shame to have moved up and picked TJack where he did. The mistake is his unwillingness to let the guy go....

[zamboni]

Yahoo ranked the NFL coaches- Childress came in at #14. Thats horrible considering how they almost went to the Super Bowl last season. But when you think about it- Spielmans made the moves that almost got us there, Chillys made a huge blunder taking TJack in the draft-

[james_walleye]

I've been saying this for over a year.....................what a joke.

Childress finally banishes Sage Rosenfels

September, 3, 2010

By Kevin Seifert

The Minnesota Vikings traded away their only real insurance at the game's most important position Friday night, a reckless and vindictive move that indisputably weakened the team in order to avoid the appearance of impropriety on the depth chart.

Sage Rosenfels was traded even though he was Minnesota's best backup at quarterback.

I haven't always praised Sage Rosenfels during his two year-career with the Vikings, but this preseason he proved to be the Vikings' only competent backup behind Brett Favre. He far outperformed Tarvaris Jackson, who apparently has a tenured position unaffected by his performance. What anyone wouldn't give for the kind of job security he has.

Let's be perfectly clear: Rosenfels was traded Friday night to the New York Giants because he beat out Jackson for the No. 2 job. As crazy as it sounds, that's what happened. The problem was that coach Brad Childress long ago chose Jackson as his No. 2 quarterback and still hasn't given up on his prospects as a long-term starter. Childress never embraced Rosenfels' acquisition in March 2009, a move orchestrated not by him but by vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman, and inexplicably banished him to the bottom of the depth chart.

Rosenfels hasn't always practiced well, but his 111.7 passer rating this preseason was more than twice that of Jackson. But no matter how sloppy and inaccurate Jackson was, nothing would change Childress' mind. He said last week that he had seen what he needed to see in practice, and my understanding is he made it clear within the organization that under no circumstances would Rosenfels make the final 53-man roster.

Instead, the Vikings seem poised to keep rookie Joe Webb as their No. 3. Webb showed flashes of elite athleticism during the preseason but is in no way capable of taking over an NFL team with playoff aspirations. It's fair to wonder the same about Jackson, but trading Rosenfels allowed the organization to get some level of return -- one draft pick in 2011 and perhaps a conditional pick in 2012 -- and eliminate the uncomfortable dynamic of an upside-down depth chart.

Favre hasn't missed a start in 19 years, so much of this conversation could be moot. But trading away players because they outperformed underachieving (but favored) incumbents is no way to build a team. At least, not in my book.

Note: Surprisingly, the trade also sent kick returner/running back Darius Reynaud to the Giants. I wonder if that means Percy Harvin will resume his role as a kickoff returner. I have no idea who will return punts, although cornerback Asher Allen did get some work there in the preseason.

[reinhard1]

excelent article, and right to the point. good luck.

[Shack]

Trading the old fart was the best thing ever. Smart move IMO.

[SkunkedAgain]

Biggest proof that Jackson is not the answer:

Every Green Bay Packer fan in the world is hoping that T-Jack takes over as starting QB once Favre is done. Enough said.

[Shack]

Biggest proof that Jackson is not the answer:

Every Green Bay Packer fan in the world is hoping that T-Jack takes over as starting QB once Favre is done. Enough said.

LOL! You guys will stoop to anything "proof" as in the proof that is shared in the football forum? The forum that "fact" forgot?

Might aswell get ready anyways, after 2011 we all will have to become Packers fans. Buy your Green Bay jerseys now. The Jackson as back-up has set this franchise move in motion.

[james_walleye]

How is trading the better of the 2 QB's away a good thing? There is no doubt that this vikings team would have been in better hands in the case of a Favre injury with Sage at QB than junkson. There is a reason that Chilly put the kabosh on answering those backup QB questions. Everyone wants to know what the reasoning is for this trade because its clear who the team was better off with. If junkson was the better option he wouldnt spend whole press conferences having to answer to this question because people wouldnt be asking the question!

[zepman]

Neither Sage or TJack are/were the q-backs of the future of this team...wait until he starts fielding questions about next years q-back prospects for our team and why he didn't adress this problem long ago. It's going to get messy around VikingVille if Favre goes down this year...Chilly's head may explode!

[SkunkedAgain]

Right on Zepman. Neither are the quarterback of the future. That title belongs to Joe Webb at the moment, so I guess the argument right now is about who will help the Vikings more if Favre unexpectedly leaves the game.

[nonteepical]

this is the first time (and understandably) in vikings history since tarkenton, that minnesota fans didn't think the second string quarterback, shouldn't be the starter.

[Shack]

Neither Sage or TJack are/were the q-backs of the future of this team...wait until he starts fielding questions about next years q-back prospects for our team and why he didn't adress this problem long ago. It's going to get messy around VikingVille if Favre goes down this year...Chilly's head may explode!

zep I agree with this. At this point Jackson is such a long shot because I do agree he has had almost zilch time on the feild and no matter what Chilly says he has done off the feild in camp: NO ONE KNOWS! Not even james_walleye or Fishing Guru No one at thos point has no clue how Jackson would play in 4 quarters against non-second string players as a Quarter back.

Second string now and the next couple years, I would rather have T-Jack than Sage in a heart beat. Just watch Sage this season. I am very sure he will see some field time and the Fumble Copter will be either landing of taking off.

I would not consider T-Jack a "bad" decision with the money that is invested in him. Now if we were paying him JaMarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf type money, yes then I would consider it a "bad" decision and not worth it. No matter how you look at T-Jack, it could be worse. What would have happened if Sage pulled a Gus Forgot? Now we have a 5th which is not bad verses an any injury being a carrier ending injury to an NFL old timer.

[LMITOUT]

If there is one constant with the Vikings, it's their never ending quest for mediocrity.

[Steve Foss]

If there is one constant with the Vikings, it's their never ending quest for mediocrity.

I agree. Forty years of amazing talent and dashed hopes. With all the on-the-field talent they had for many of those years, a fella could believe they had to actually try to flub it up, or at least there was a lot of questionable coaching/management. Last year a case in point.

[FISHINGURU]

There's like 5 people on the planet that like Junkson on our team. A few guys on a fishing forum, Chilly, and his mother.

Oops!! Forgot about the whole state of Wisconsin!!

[Rick]

LOL,

you T-jack haters with your pants on the ground.

I'm sure glad we have Favre

[PurpleFloyd]

zep I agree with this. At this point Jackson is such a long shot because I do agree he has had almost zilch time on the feild and no matter what Chilly says he has done off the feild in camp: NO ONE KNOWS! Not even james_walleye or Fishing Guru No one at thos point has no clue how Jackson would play in 4 quarters against non-second string players as a Quarter back.

[Rick]

It's just opinion. The last regular season games I watched T-Jack play he looked pretty good.

T-Jack is no Favre and may never be starting material but he is clearly better than Sage who only showed off against second and third stringers.

This is just a case of T-Jack haters with their pants on the ground clearly eating their crow

[zepman]

Nice try Rick....

PurpleFloyd...it was agonizing reading and remembering the events of your last post but as Pier would say, it was "spot-on"!! Nice post!!

[Steve Foss]

It's just opinion. The last regular season games I watched T-Jack play he looked pretty good.

T-Jack is no Favre and may never be starting material but he is clearly better than Sage who only showed off against second and third stringers.

This is just a case of T-Jack haters with their pants on the ground clearly eating their crow

I think we got a handle change in the works.

Rick Childress?

[james_walleye]

Rick you can stop with the junkson clearly better than sage garbage because this is the overwhelming consensus in viking country. If it wasnt than Chilly wouldnt be answering the questions so much. Ask any packer fan how happy they are because the vikings kept junkson. There is only one conclusion to get out of this, they know if junkson is at QB the packers have a better shot at winning.

Childress finally banishes Sage Rosenfels

September, 3, 2010

By Kevin Seifert

The Minnesota Vikings traded away their only real insurance at the game's most important position Friday night, a reckless and vindictive move that indisputably weakened the team in order to avoid the appearance of impropriety on the depth chart.

Sage Rosenfels was traded even though he was Minnesota's best backup at quarterback.

I haven't always praised Sage Rosenfels during his two year-career with the Vikings, but this preseason he proved to be the Vikings' only competent backup behind Brett Favre. He far outperformed Tarvaris Jackson, who apparently has a tenured position unaffected by his performance. What anyone wouldn't give for the kind of job security he has.

Let's be perfectly clear: Rosenfels was traded Friday night to the New York Giants because he beat out Jackson for the No. 2 job. As crazy as it sounds, that's what happened. The problem was that coach Brad Childress long ago chose Jackson as his No. 2 quarterback and still hasn't given up on his prospects as a long-term starter. Childress never embraced Rosenfels' acquisition in March 2009, a move orchestrated not by him but by vice president of player personnel Rick Spielman, and inexplicably banished him to the bottom of the depth chart.

Rosenfels hasn't always practiced well, but his 111.7 passer rating this preseason was more than twice that of Jackson. But no matter how sloppy and inaccurate Jackson was, nothing would change Childress' mind. He said last week that he had seen what he needed to see in practice, and my understanding is he made it clear within the organization that under no circumstances would Rosenfels make the final 53-man roster.

Instead, the Vikings seem poised to keep rookie Joe Webb as their No. 3. Webb showed flashes of elite athleticism during the preseason but is in no way capable of taking over an NFL team with playoff aspirations. It's fair to wonder the same about Jackson, but trading Rosenfels allowed the organization to get some level of return -- one draft pick in 2011 and perhaps a conditional pick in 2012 -- and eliminate the uncomfortable dynamic of an upside-down depth chart.

Favre hasn't missed a start in 19 years, so much of this conversation could be moot. But trading away players because they outperformed underachieving (but favored) incumbents is no way to build a team. At least, not in my book.

Note: Surprisingly, the trade also sent kick returner/running back Darius Reynaud to the Giants. I wonder if that means Percy Harvin will resume his role as a kickoff returner. I have no idea who will return punts, although cornerback Asher Allen did get some work there in the preseason.