Ruger 10/22 vs. Ruger Charger

[NaturesRespect]

I currently have a Ruger 10/22 and looking into a Ruger charger witch basicly looks like the 10/22 with a shorter barrel and a handgun stock. What is the real differences between the 2? Is the reciever the same? Can a 10/22 fit into a Charger stock and vice versa? Can a 10/22 barrel fit into a Charger reciever and vice versa?

[carpshooterdeluxe]

if you put a charger action and charger barrel in a regular 10/22 stock, you now have an illegal short barreled rifle.

[NaturesRespect]

if you put a charger action and charger barrel in a regular 10/22 stock, you now have an illegal short barreled rifle.

Im not looking to break the law. I want to know if there is any real differences in the gun barrels and recievers because i originaly planned to build a new 10/22 stock but thaught maybe i can purchase a charger barrel and build a pistol stock instead while i use the same reciever from my 10/22. Is it possible to put a charger barrel on a 10/22 reciever?

[picksbigwagon]

since your 10/22 is registered as a rifle, you cannot turn it into a pistol. That is a major no-no

[NaturesRespect]

since your 10/22 is registered as a rifle, you cannot turn it into a pistol. That is a major no-no

oh did not know that

[picksbigwagon]

the ATF would not be happy about it.......

[NaturesRespect]

the ATF would not be happy about it.......

could you turn it into a pistol and register it as a pistol? how does a Thompson center encore be a rifle, muzzleloader, shotgun, pistol if it can only be registered as one gun?

good thing i have not done any modifications yet

[picksbigwagon]

I don't believe taking a thompson center encore rifle and making it a pistol is legal either. You could make any gun a pistol....

[NaturesRespect]

I don't believe taking a thompson center encore rifle and making it a pistol is legal either. You could make any gun a pistol....

then why would they make a firearms that can be switched from a rifle to a shotgun to a muzzleloader to a pistol?

[Tator2k]

It's a $200 to process the form with the fed. gov't to SBR 'Short Barrel Rifle' a firearm below the min. barrel length.

I believe it's 18" on a shotgun and 16" on a rifle.

If you do not reg. it and pay a fee it's a felony.

(Then you basically lose all your guns)

[NaturesRespect]

It's a $200 to process the form with the fed. gov't to SBR 'Short Barrel Rifle' a firearm below the min. barrel length.

I believe it's 18" on a shotgun and 16" on a rifle.

If you do not reg. it and pay a fee it's a felony.

(Then you basically lose all your guns)

I originaly planned when i turned 18 to buy a Thompson Center Encore shotgun and later on when i have extra cash to buy a 15" pistol barrel and pistol stock.

whats the process i would have to go thru to get the shotgun converted to the pistol?

[Tator2k]

I don't think there is one. The difference is once you remove the stock or shorten the barrel of the a shotgun it's concerned a Class 3 'Destructive Device' NOT a 'Short Barreled Rifle.' I believe are just plain illegal to own in our state, outside of being a dealer or manufacturer.

Call it the sawed-off shotgun rule...

[nonteepical]

http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/MNSL.pdf i think you can alter it and call it a pistol, you just have to put a pistol grip on it.(be able to shoot with one hand) i don't see anything about reregestering, if it's a machine gun or sawed off shotgun you have to file a report with the ATF. i have an encore with a 30-06 pistol barrel, and the way it reads i wouldn't be legal if i left the rifle butstock on it because it has a 15" barrel, if i put my pistol grip on i'm legal.

[nonteepical]

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/manufacturers.html #7 under the last question.

[NaturesRespect]

I don't think there is one. The difference is once you remove the stock or shorten the barrel of the a shotgun it's concerned a Class 3 'Destructive Device' NOT a 'Short Barreled Rifle.' I believe are just plain illegal to own in our state, outside of being a dealer or manufacturer.

Call it the sawed-off shotgun rule...

to those who think im going to cut the barrel and stuff seriously? im not that dumb If you never heard of the ThompsonCenter Encore i suggest you look it up before telling me that cutting the barrel and making a pistol is illegal.

the TC Encore is a type of firearm that has shotgun barrels, rifle barrels, muzzle loader barrels, and 15 inch and shorter pistol barrels all meant to be used with the Encore reciever and there are a variety of stocks to go with the gun

I plan to buy a shotgun version of the Encore and later on when I have cash i plan to buy a pistol barrel plus the pistol fore end and grip as required for the gun to work, but apparently some people are telling me its illegal here and what i want to know is if it is illegal why would they be selling the gun and if it is legal whats the process i would have to go thru to do it.

[picksbigwagon]

Okay, I did a little research right now (typed in a simple search online) and I found this webpage. There seems to be a gray area right now and no one has challenged the govt. on it but the Beauru of ATF is pretty set in it's response.

http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239

yep you can do, but the ATF has an opinion on it.

[Tator2k]

You can do anything you want. I'm not telling you can or can not. I just would advise against advertising everything you're doing online.

[Ufatz]

You da man Tator2k!!!

[gunmunky]

The way it was explained to me was that when a receiver is manufactured and at the time the serial number is engraved it is either registered as a pistol or a rifle by the manufacturer. You can legally change a pistol to a rifle but you can not change a rifle to a pistol (unless you register it as a SBR) . I found this out when I was purchasing an AR lower. This info was from a reputable dealer. I would be interested to know if all contenders and the like are registered as pistols.

[Tator2k]

Adding a forward assist or a rear stock on a pistol classifies it as an SBR and no longer a pistol. Even if they are removable.

[NaturesRespect]

Adding a forward assist or a rear stock on a pistol classifies it as an SBR and no longer a pistol. Even if they are removable.

wat is SBR? can someone just explain to me what i will have to do when i purchase a ThompsonCenter Encore SHOTGUN and later decide to buy a PISTOL BARREL and STOCK SET for the ENCORE.

[gunmunky]

SBR Short Barrel Rifle. You need to get the tax stamp from the feds. It is a 1 time $200.00 tax and your gun is now a class 3 weapon. I don't know if you can legally hunt with one or not. If I was going to get an Encore I would but the pistol first and then it will be registered as a pistol and you will have no issues with the rifle conversion.

[NaturesRespect]

SBR Short Barrel Rifle. You need to get the tax stamp from the feds. It is a 1 time $200.00 tax and your gun is now a class 3 weapon. I don't know if you can legally hunt with one or not. If I was going to get an Encore I would but the pistol first and then it will be registered as a pistol and you will have no issues with the rifle conversion.

that just dosnt make sense why the encore pistol can be changed to a longarm with no problem but the longarm versions will have issues being converted to the shortarm versions.

[gunmunky]

that just dosnt make sense why the encore pistol can be changed to a longarm with no problem but the longarm versions will have issues being converted to the shortarm versions.

BATF rules. If I had to guess on the "reasoning" I would say that some states require more background checks or a permit to purchase for hand guns versus long guns? This way you can't buy a long gun and convert legally to a pistol with out the proper checks.

[NaturesRespect]

BATF rules. If I had to guess on the "reasoning" I would say that some states require more background checks or a permit to purchase for hand guns versus long guns? This way you can't buy a long gun and convert legally to a pistol with out the proper checks.

makes sense

I guess i will have to ask about the shotgun encore being converted to the pistol encores whem time comes. I want the shotgun first since i will be 18 and for pistols u need to be 21 to purchase, I also would like to do more shotgun hunting b4 pistol hunting, ive done a few pistol hunting with a Deagle .50ae with my dad and i love the pistol hunting but the longarms hunt are sometimes better suited so having both encore shotgun and pistol would not be a bad idea for were we hunt

[SmilinBob]

NaturesRespect: You will need to be 21 and have a permit to carry or permit to purchase a handgun to buy the Encore because of the ease of converting it to a handgun. You can buy it in the shotgun, rifle, or muzzleloader form and convert it later with nothing else being required, but most dealers will probably ask to see your permit when buy the barrel also, not a requirement, just a CYA thing for them.

[NaturesRespect]

NaturesRespect: You will need to be 21 and have a permit to carry or permit to purchase a handgun to buy the Encore because of the ease of converting it to a handgun. You can buy it in the shotgun, rifle, or muzzleloader form and convert it later with nothing else being required, but most dealers will probably ask to see your permit when buy the barrel also, not a requirement, just a CYA thing for them.

that makes no sense everyone here is saying its pretty much illegal to convert a Encore longams to the handguns but okay for the Encore handguns to be converted to a longarms....... WHICH IS IT!!!!!!!!

also what your saying is i need to be 21 with a purchase permit to buy an Encore longarms?

[nonteepical]

he's saying when buying new at the gunshop, and you buy your encore in pistol form, you'll need a permit because it gets registered as a pistol. if you buy it new in a long gun you don't need a permit because it gets registered as a rifle or shotgun. you can buy a pistol barrel any time no permit needed. if they ask for one (permit) when buying just a pistol barrel, i personally wouldn't buy anything from them again, because it is not required.

[NaturesRespect]

he's saying when buying new at the gunshop, and you buy your encore in pistol form, you'll need a permit because it gets registered as a pistol. if you buy it new in a long gun you don't need a permit because it gets registered as a rifle or shotgun. you can buy a pistol barrel any time no permit needed. if they ask for one (permit) when buying just a pistol barrel, i personally wouldn't buy anything from them again, because it is not required.

still no sense in all this because to some on here its illegal to have the encore in shotgun or rifle form... registered as a rifle.... then buying a pistol barrel later on

OMG this stuff is confusing!

[SmilinBob]

no matter what form it is bought in you will still need a permit to purchase or permit to carry in Minnesota. I don't make these rules (just have to live with and abide), but it is considered to easy to convert and these guns are sold in handgun form so our great state throws a blanket over all of them and classifies that way. Just like buying an AR style rifle. I don't like it any more than you and please don't boycott a business because they are also trying to keep up with currnet laws and will sometimes go a little extra to avoid trouble down the road when an inspection from the ATF occurs, they are just trying to maintain a hard to get licence that is most likely their livelyhood, and adding 8.5 seconds to your transaction should make you feel that it is a reputable dealer. I doubt any would ask for a permit when purchasing a barrel, but stranger things have happened.