TOWER

[muskyfever]

Where exactly is Birch Narrows? I have heard people refer to this before and I'm not sure if I know where it is. Thanks.

[Tominator692]

Where exactly is Birch Narrows? I have heard people refer to this before and I'm not sure if I know where it is. Thanks.

Look for the big ugly tower and your there, just kidding!!!!

[shamrock7]

By Retreat Lodge

[PSU]

West side of Hinsdale

[dewey1]

AT&T JUST WENT ON LINE THIS WEEK.

[Inlander]

I have been in the wireless business for over a decade, and lease and zone cell sites, and was previously a zoning adminstrator for municipalities. I have at lot of experience designing cell sites in visually sensitive locations incluing forested areas. Usually, siting and design can be successfully accomplished in a fashion that is invisible, or nearly so, particularly in forested areas.

I reconfirmed the tower is an American Tower Corp owned. It was probably built with a wireless carrier commitment. It is highly probable that the other major carriers will follow and colocate on the structure.

In my opinion a 400 foot, guyed tower is inappropriate in this setting.

A tower company typically builds towers to accomodate as many wireless carriers as possible. That practice assures towers are huge and visually obtrusive. Local governments typically encourage this practice in zoning regulations based on the theory that colocation design avoids proliferation of towers. I vehemently disagree with this design strategy imposed by local zoning. Multiple small, properly designed facilities are almost allways a preferred design strategy.

The wireless carriers are not to blame for this disappointing outcome. The responsibility rests on the shoulders of the local zoning authority.

[delcecchi]

That would be St Louis county, unless the township does their own. Do any of the townships up there do their own planning and zoning?

[shamrock7]

Greenwood does handle its own Zoning but something got screwed up on this deal and the County had something to do with it. I will update as I learn more about just what happened. There should have been a Conditional use permit for it and that would have required a public hearing but that did not happen.

[jonesen]

I'm allready used to the blinking lights, lets hope Verizon hooks up to this tower.

[Cliff Wagenbach]

Duh!! Wonder how that could have happened in Greenwood Township?

Cliff

[delcecchi]

So the tower in in Greenwood? I wasn't sure where the line is.

[shamrock7]

The west line of Greenwood is west of the end of Fraser Bay.

[dewey1]

THIS TOWER IS IN AN AREA WITH A LOT OF PINES. PINE TREES ARE VERY EFFECTIVE IN DEGRADING RF SIGNALS. THE WAY TO GET COVERAGE IN THESE AREAS IS BY RAISING THE ANTENEAS AND INCREASING THEIR DOWN TILT TO GET MORE OF AND UMBRELLA COVERAGE.

AT&T WAS THE CARRIER THAT MADE THE INITIAL COMMITMENT WITH ATC.

THERE MAY BE OTHER PLANS FOR THIS TOWER BESIDE CELLULAR. I WOULD PUT MONEY ON IT THAT HOMELAND WILL BE ON THE TOWER ALSO. (THE COAST GUARD HAS TERRIBLE COVERAGE UP THEIR)

I have been in the wireless business for over a decade, and lease and zone cell sites, and was previously a zoning adminstrator for municipalities. I have at lot of experience designing cell sites in visually sensitive locations incluing forested areas. Usually, siting and design can be successfully accomplished in a fashion that is invisible, or nearly so, particularly in forested areas.

I reconfirmed the tower is an American Tower Corp owned. It was probably built with a wireless carrier commitment. It is highly probable that the other major carriers will follow and colocate on the structure.

In my opinion a 400 foot, guyed tower is inappropriate in this setting.

A tower company typically builds towers to accomodate as many wireless carriers as possible. That practice assures towers are huge and visually obtrusive. Local governments typically encourage this practice in zoning regulations based on the theory that colocation design avoids proliferation of towers. I vehemently disagree with this design strategy imposed by local zoning. Multiple small, properly designed facilities are almost allways a preferred design strategy.

The wireless carriers are not to blame for this disappointing outcome. The responsibility rests on the shoulders of the local zoning authority.

[ponzie]

Duh!! Wonder how that could have happened in Greenwood Township?

Cliff

I'm still trying to figure out how we got anexed into Greenwood township without a vote

Sort of sounds like taxation without representation.

[shamrock7]

Stop in at the Township office and get the whole story.

The township border change (technical term rather than annexation) was brought about by a petition that was presented to the Township by year round residents, (living in that area) requesting that the area be brought into the Township.

[delcecchi]

so, they were living in an unincorporated area or something? I have never heard of a township annexing anything.

On the other hand, down here every place is already part of a township and the only annexation is from the township to a city or town.

[shamrock7]

Correct del, there are many areas up here that are unorganized. Meaning not a part of any political subdivision. Cities and Towns have the ability to annex.

Minnesota statues do not allow Townships to annex anything but they can do border changes which much be initiated by petition including something like 60% of the registered voters of the area to be brought into the township. (don't quote me on the 60% but it is some percentage of the elgible voters)

The area from just west of Timbuktu to just west of Ludlows is all unorganized.

[ponzie]

You can call it border changes or a mini vermilion plan it really does not matter.

from the dictionary

Annex

to take over territory and incorporate it into another political entity

Isn't that what happened?

[shamrock7]

You can call it border changes or a mini vermilion plan it really does not matter.

from the dictionary

Annex

to take over territory and incorporate it into another political entity

Isn't that what happened?

I was only trying to give the facts. Go to the Township office. I'm sure that the original petition is on file and you should be able to see who requested to become part of Greenwood. There is no way that one can say that this was a typical governmental, shoved down your throat, action. Well, I guess one can say anything that they want, but the facts are the facts.

[StillFishin']

I can see the tower wayyyyyyy out in Niles bay. So much for out in the wilderness. If I can get cell-pone coverage from new tower, it will be easier to accept. I don't think we can do anything to stop it or get rid of it.

Anybody know who approved the construction of the tower?

StillFishin'

[delcecchi]

Out in the Wilderness? Surely you jest. A few miles from a 4 lane highway, lined with houses and resorts and a casino, is not wilderness.

It is a beautiful lake and I love it dearly but it isn't wilderness.

[jeff_s]

Del,

I couldn't have said it better. We love Lake Vermilion and wouldn't trade our place for any other lake. Beautiful it is, wilderness it is not. Having the new cell tower, and for us, cell phone service for the first time, is a plus. The tower is minor compared to what is already on the lake.

Jeff

[jonesen]

Del

Go to the back of Van Ripers bay tonight at 9:18, get out of your boat, walk 48 paces into the woods, spin in circles 7 1/2 times, now walk and tell yourself this is not wilderness. LOL X 10000

[delcecchi]

How about park your boat at fortune bay tonight, walk 50 paces into the parking lot, spin around three times and put 5 dollars on red. :-) :-)

Don't forget to tip the dock attendant. :-)

Just joshing you back.

[jonesen]

If I did that I would be in the "Wilderness"

Golf course that is. LOL

[Capt. Quicksteel]

Every time I catch that tower flashing out of the corner of my eye it looks like lightning and I look around for bad weather. Thats kind of a wilderness feeling. Plus, now my cell coverage is so good I'm getting rid of my land line. Getting more "wildernessy" all the time. I guess these days we have to take it where we can get it!!

[delcecchi]

Good one. I had forgotten about the golf course.

[Indyfishing]

They call it paradise

I don't know why

You call someplace paradise,

kiss it goodbye

The Eagles

[chaffmj]

I had a place on a Anna Lake by Emily Mn and 10 years ago they put up a cell phone tower off hwy 6 and the front of my cabin faced the tower. I hated it so I sold the property and bought a place up the Echo Trail on Big Lake, no power, boat access only to get away from it. I figured it was only a matter of time before something happens up there and without going into detail about it I found out it was sooner not later. You really can't get away from it anymore.

[TomWehler]

Have to say I agree...things of man showing up in even the most remote places we love to hide in.

People lose the meaning of GETTING AWAY...amazingly boring to me but progress can not be stopped...shame.

Also love BIG lake up Echo trail.

Have friends on Burntside long long time, have always love it up the trail.

See any Moose latly?

Tommy