Halladay available

[UdeLakeTom]

ESPN reports the Blue Jays will be excepting offers for Halladay.

Do we have any resonible offer??

I don't mean Delmon and Crain...

But maybe something like Baker and a couple of prospects.

[Scott K]

I think it would cost more then the Twins would be willing to give. They are a couple pieces away from being champs, so it wouldn't make sense to trade away the future to one player which wouldnt get us any further any how. JMO

[OIF_Veteran_21B]

Hopefully the LA Dodgers will get him.

[zamboni]

Shouldn't this be in the New York forums?

[HossFisher]

They say the Phillies could have a real good chance of putting together a package to get him. Halladay is going to be a free agent after this season anyways so the idea for the twins to give up prospects for him is insane.

[SledNeck]

How many good years does he have left?

[luckyworm]

I have a better chance of winning the powerball than seeing Doc Halladay in a Twins uniform.

[Getanet]

I can't fish well, so I'm turning my attention to playing devil's advocate. I wouldn't say giving up prospects for Hallady would be insane. He could very well be the piece that would get us to the World Series. If we took the chance, and it got us another World Series berth, we could look back in 3 months and say it was worth it.

But there's no way the Twins will put together a package to land him. Plus, Toronto's GM clarified his comments that he would "listen to offers," not that he's actively shopping him.

[PierBridge]

I'll stick to our Premier Professional Sports business model and say NO to overpaying for a supposed Star player. The Farm system and our money management have made the Twins the envy of ALL sports teams!

I can't believe we're in contention again this year the way we do things around here...LMAO!

Go Pohlad Go Twins!!!!!!

[zamboni]

I can't fish well, so I'm turning my attention to playing devil's advocate. I wouldn't say giving up prospects for Hallady would be insane. He could very well be the piece that would get us to the World Series. If we took the chance, and it got us another World Series berth, we could look back in 3 months and say it was worth it.

But there's no way the Twins will put together a package to land him. Plus, Toronto's GM clarified his comments that he would "listen to offers," not that he's actively shopping him.

he pitches one-two days a week, who will win the other 4-5 games a week?

[Getanet]

That would depend on who we had to give up. Toronto has a lot of young pitchers, so we may not need to give up one of our starters.

If we didn't, our bullpen could also be strengthened by moving Liriano or Perkins to the pen.

This rotation would look pretty good:

Hallady 10-2 2.79 ERA

Slowey 10-3 4.86 ERA

Blackburn 7-4 2.94 ERA

Baker 6-7 5.31 ERA

Perkins 4-4 4.38 ERA

[pegleg]

Look what the Mets gave up to get Johan... I would give Toronto the exact same players we got Gogo, Humber, etc. etc.. Pay Halladay $22 mill a year and hopefully get to the World Series.

[CodyDawg]

according to the radio broadcast the other day, Halliday DOES have one more year on his contract (2010). He makes $14.25 mil this year and $15.75 mil next year.

[ozzie]

it sure would be nice to have him as the opening day starter at the new stadium!!!

[blue_healer_guy]

The amazing thing to me is to be in contention makes people feel good.

[Getanet]

As opposed to what, leading the division by 10 games at this point? The Central is going to be a dog fight to the bitter end...this year and for quite a while after.

[greebs]

would love to have him but have to think it would take too much to get him. A pitcher like that would be huge in a potential 7 game playoff series but of course you have to get there first. I'd think they'd want one of our starting pitchers and another key player such as Span and don't think that would be good idea.

[mrklean]

im going with the better chance of winning powerball then him coming here

[blue_healer_guy]

The fact that to be in a race makes people happy and giddy versus the fact we could win this division/playoff if we would spend some money. I can't stand the "oh we are a small market team playing our butts off mentality". It comes from the manager and staff. The Punto's, Cuddy's, Redman, thats what people want around here, average to below average players but it is the twins way. Just a cop out on always just doing e

nough. Would Halladay be a good fit here, yes, but realistic? People seem to be content with having a average team.

[Big A]

He would be an awesome addition to the team... but has to come wiht too high of a price tag. The twins are gonna have to cough up some cash to keep Joe behind the plate... I dont think they are in a position to spend it on Halladay.. although it would be SWEET if they did.

[Getanet]

I'll definitely agree with you that the front office has been too successful at selling the small market mentality to fans. The Twin Cities is something like the 13-15 media market in the country, but we're ranked 24 out of 30 teams in MLB payroll. Here's a link to team payrolls, it's interesting how Detroit and even Cleveland are way ahead of us in payroll.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/salaries

I'll also agree that we should have better starters than Punto. But Cuddy is putting together a pretty solid year. He's on pace for 30HR and 90+ RBI. I don't think too many teams would expect more out of their right fielder. Can't have all-stars at every position.

[greebs]

He (cuddy) is having a nice season on paper when you look at the overall stats. But at the same time he is very frustrating to me as he never seems to come through when the pressure is on. It seems that two things need to happen for him to be a reliable bat in the lineup. First of all the game needs to be in the dome and secondly, there needs to be nobody on base. His stats when those to factors are involved are very good but those numbers drop significantly when there are runners on base or it's an away game and if you combine both of those factors, it drops even further.

The first two games of this yankee series are classic examples. He gets the hr the first game when the bases are empty in a basically non-pressure at bat situation and then last night where a hit with the bases loaded would have been huge and he strikes out in one of the most pathetic looking at bats I've ever witnessed.

I still think he belongs on this team and is their 2nd best overall outfielder behind span but from an offensive standpoint, he really shouldn't be batting #3, 4, or 5 in the lineup like he has been most of the year because those spots should be reserved for the better clutch hitters. He's probably ideally about a #7 hitter in the lineup on most contending teams and I wish the twins had a couple other players that could take over for cuddy so he could move down in the lineup to a less pressure spot in the lineup where I think he'd do well at.

[fishin58]

I agree with most of what you said greebs cept, "the 2nd best outfielder". He has limited range and everyone brags up his arm, but I would take diving catches for an out, rather then a 1 bounce and quick throw in.

[fishyguy]

Cuddyer's Career overall numbers are:

BA - .269

OBP - .345

SLG - .449

OPS - .794

Cuddyer's Career RISP #'s are:

BA - .278

OBP - .381

SLG - .447

OPS - .828

His career numbers with the bases loaded are:

BA - .278

OBP - .353

Slug - .542

OPS - .895

With runners in scoring position Cuddyer's numbers for avg, on base, and OPS actually go up with his slugging remaining about the same. I would say he is actually a slightly better hitter when runners are in scoring position. That being said, his average with RISP this year is .243 with half a season to go.

[greebs]

Cuddyer's Career overall numbers are:

BA - .269

OBP - .345

SLG - .449

OPS - .794

Cuddyer's Career RISP #'s are:

BA - .278

OBP - .381

SLG - .447

OPS - .828

His career numbers with the bases loaded are:

BA - .278

OBP - .353

Slug - .542

OPS - .895

With runners in scoring position Cuddyer's numbers for avg, on base, and OPS actually go up with his slugging remaining about the same. I would say he is actually a slightly better hitter when runners are in scoring position. That being said, his average with RISP this year is .243 with half a season to go.

That's what makes him so frustrating to me. He's having a relatively good season when you look at his all around stats and he's been a decent hitter in prior years in situations where the hit is crucial so why the huge dropoff this year when we need him to come through? And why the big dropoff when he plays anywhere other than the dome?

[PierBridge]

The fact that to be in a race makes people happy and giddy versus the fact we could win this division/playoff if we would spend some money. I can't stand the "oh we are a small market team playing our butts off mentality". It comes from the manager and staff. The Punto's, Cuddy's, Redman, thats what people want around here, average to below average players but it is the twins way. Just a cop out on always just doing e

nough. Would Halladay be a good fit here, yes, but realistic? People seem to be content with having a average team.

I love how our successful way of doing things bugs the bejusus out of some of you guys!

Average team? Did you fail 4th grade math?

Your sadly mistaken if you think spending money translates into winning baseball. Far from the truth and most franchises who have tried it have buried their teams success right down the drain. The exceptions being the Yankees and Boston oh but wait we have as much money and resources as they do so surely we could have signed Yohan and Torrey to that 1/4 BILLION they recived...LMAO.

The nice thing for the fans that complain about ever thing and know more than the people who run and own the team is you can turn the TV off when these overpriced Free-agents who we acquired by giving up good young prospects BOMB out and set the franchise back for decades. You can then go to the 3-2 bar down the block and complain about how stupid that was we gave so and so a 100 freaking million and his arm fell off the next day!

Yeah we're a real average Team.... Good Grief!....

I think your complaining should have more to do with MLB not having a salary cap my friend!

[PierBridge]

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That's what makes him so frustrating to me. He's having a relatively good season when you look at his all around stats and he's been a decent hitter in prior years in situations where the hit is crucial so why the huge dropoff this year when we need him to come through? And why the big dropoff when he plays anywhere other than the dome?

It's called Baseball and hitting a baseball is not real easy in-case you haven't noticed. Did you know Babe Ruth one season was 0-16 with the bases loaded?

Most players do hit better at home "news flash" You can keep digging into the stats all you want.

MC is our right fielder and he makes 7.66 million so just deal with it!...

[Getanet]

Well, if you want to get technical we have a .500 winning percentage. So we're mathematically average. We're also the median point in our division - again pretty average. We're also third in our division, very average.

Entertaining? Yes

Exciting? Yes

Potential playoff team? Yes

Average? Right now yes

[greebs]

.500 seems to be about as average as you can ask for. I don't doubt the KC's, Pittsburgh, and Baltimores of the league would love to trade places with us but to think that our team is the most successful in the league is pushing it. A good share of the success is owed to the fact that they are in the AL central. Thank goodness we aren't in the East division as it sure seems like they'd be a below .500 team pretty regularly as that division is just flat out better from top to bottom than the central.

The team has been able to consistently contend for division titles most years for the past couple seasons and I think it's safe to say that is what the ownership is interested in; contend for the central division title and then hope for a miracle in the playoffs if they do pull off the division title. We all know how they've done in the playoffs the last several seasons.

I don't see that we've got what it would take in players of trade value to get a player of Halladay's ability and I for one wouldn't want to give away a multitude of players that it would likely take. It's not like they are going to give us him in trade for punto, crain, buscher and tolbert but there's sure nothing wrong in speculating about it.

[greebs]

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That's what makes him so frustrating to me. He's having a relatively good season when you look at his all around stats and he's been a decent hitter in prior years in situations where the hit is crucial so why the huge dropoff this year when we need him to come through? And why the big dropoff when he plays anywhere other than the dome?

It's called Baseball and hitting a baseball is not real easy in-case you haven't noticed. Did you know Babe Ruth one season was 0-16 with the bases loaded?

Most players do hit better at home "news flash" You can keep digging into the stats all you want.

MC is our right fielder and he makes 7.66 million so just deal with it!...

Oh I'm dealing with it all right but there's nothing wrong with a little wishful thinking that we had a player that produced better in key situations so we could move MC down a couple spots in the batting order to take the pressure off of him.

...and speaking of MC, when are you going to eat that crow that goes with your prediction of him being in the all star game or are you planning to wait until the all star game is finished just in case he somehow gets a last second callup to join the AL all stars?