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TJ Hooshyourmamma met with TJack because he was the only q-back in town. Sage wasn't even around.

I'm pretty sure he was!

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Originally Posted By: zepman
That's some good logic Rick but it sounds like you're convinced the Vikes will adopt more of a wilcat offense than anything. Won't happen.

Actually it's more of the reverse and screen packages they can run now with Percman in the fold that says T-Jack is the starter. Couple that with the fact Loadholt needs work on his pass protection and you can bet they will be running a fair amount or short passes, including the reverses and draws, to start the year. It really does appear they are building the team for T-Jack not Sage.

If they were building it for Sage they would have taken Oher then a receiver to give Sage more time in the pocket so he could cut down on his interception ratio.

Im really confused as to how Jackson is the man based on reverses and screens?? How is a running QB better set to run these 2 plays???

They will be running short passes no matter who is at QB, that is the west coast offense.

Harvin is going to spend the majority of his time in the slot. Again, how is Jackson better set to get the ball to Harvin in the slot over Sage??? I think some people forget we won't be running the read option like they did in Florida with Tebow. And i don't think some people realize how much damage he did at Florida lined up as a reciever. They didnt draft Harvin to be some gadget guy who just runs reverses.

Harvin was drafted because the vikings decided to take a chance that they can keep an absolute game breaker in line and because they knew they could come back in the 2nd round and get a good tackle in Loadholt or Beatty. They got the most bang for their buck going this way rather than taking Oher and some possession reciever in the 2nd.

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Pretty sure Sage was playing with a top 5 reciever down in Houston. Andre Johnson is an elite talent at wide reciever. T-jack has had lobster claws and not much else. When he played early last year Berrian had his turf toe issue and Shiancoe had borrowed Troys claws on Sundays.

I see you forgot to mention that Jackson had the luxury of tossing the ball behind a line that was heads and tails above the texans line and he was handing the ball to maybe the best RB in the game. Seems to me those 2 things should have helped his cause. 2 things Sage didnt have in Houston.....

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here's how i see it....the better qb will be the starter and thats sage...he's a much more mature qb that this team needs right now...he can read defense's better..scan the field better..more accurate...better touch..ect.

andre johnson is one of the best wr's in the league forsure...you wouldn't be an [PoorWordUsage] if you thought he was the best in the league right now...he's double and tripled every week because its on the texans have and he still puts up monster numbers every week.

but their line is [PoorWordUsage], barely any running game until lately, no defense to speak of...if you put t-awesome on that team he probably wouldn't even be in the league anymore...atleast on a team like ours he can be a backup and possible starter someday.

sage has enough skill to win alot of games with this team...he won't have to try winning games single handedly and make unneccessary mistakes or to many big chances...but he will take chances and he has a big arm.

i hear everyone on the chilly thing but i thought it was cool he took a chance with percy...since he's been here we got some really good players in here thats forsure...through free agency, trade, and draft....we'll have to see how the season goes...if we go deep into the playoffs i say he should stay and i'm not even a chilly fan.

call me stupid but i also think sage could have a pro bowl type season...all the weapons to do it are in place....bombs away!!!

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here's how i see it....the better qb will be the starter and thats sage...he's a much more mature qb that this team needs right now...he can read defense's better..scan the field better..more accurate...better touch..ect.

Thats exactly right. That is exactly why he'll be the starter.

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This doesn't make sense. Neither one of the quarterbacks is our long term answer so I don't see how we were drafting with one or the other in mind. Sage is a better quarterback but we aren't building the team around either one.

Loadholt was the 2nd rated right tackle prospect in this draft and that is where we need help. Childress also let it be known that he liked Loadholt power and size. He's a better run blocker than Oher and I envision us becoming more of a power running team than a zbs team.

If you know anything about Sage and his time in Houston then you'd know most of his interceptions came from him trying to do to much not from him being under pressure. It's common knowledge. He's "considered" accurate but he tries to do to much sometimes.

I'm trying to figure out how the Vikings running a lot of reverses , draws, and short passes sets up TJack better than Sage.

I guess I could have just said Loadholt was a better fit than Oher. The reason we didn't pick Oher was because of Percys mile high ceiling and explosiveness. Besides if we'd have picked Oher he probably would have beat out McKinney and then we'd have a very expensive backup.

I wanted Oher to begin with but he just didn't quite fit.

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u got it koonie thats what i'm talkin about...if you watch film on sage you can see he has skills and is accurate...he definatly tries to do way to much sometimes like in the colts game when he went from hero to zero in a few minutes lol...but they aren't even in that game without him and if he doesn't cough up the ball with the rosencopter they upset the colts...qb's have to try way to hard when they have no running game or defense to back them up....a qb on our team gets the luxary of having one of the better defenses in the whole league and the best running back in the game...it will make life a whole lot better for a guy.

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I hope you two guys are right and that Sage is a better QB than he looked last year against Indy. If so then we have a very good team.

If you don't understand the threat of a rollout from a mobile QB on reverses and draws then you just don't know football as well as you think. Percy's short passing game also helps TJack and Chili is invested in him as well.

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If you call the swing doors of Mt Mckinney and Cook a good line then we have got problems. Not too mention Big Mac missed some of the the early season. This will be T-jacks year, he was sposed to be on the bench until this year anyways.

Also, any quarterback that played the Eagles down the stretch last year did not put up good stats at all.

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All I hope for is a honest, open competition and let the best qb of the 3 be the starter. Having the starter on a short leash!

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If you don't understand the threat of a rollout from a mobile QB on reverses and draws then you just don't know football as well as you think. Percy's short passing game also helps TJack and Chili is invested in him as well.

Agreed and I'd be fine with that also it does sounds great on paper for sure. I still believe Chili has moved his eggs "butt" over to Sage for the time being.

If those two fail look for number 4 walking through the door! He/He/

Go Vikes!

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Yeah, because alot of games are won every year because a team has a QB with a threat of rolling out after faking a reverse or a screen. Come on...if Childress came out and said hes starting jackson because of this threat he would be laughed out of this state and his job. You don't start a QB because he has a better threat of rolling out after faking a reverse than the other QB on the team......

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I will go there, tell that to the Vikes or many other teams after the "Prime" era of mike vick. I can remember vick housing it and kept running up the tunnel. Game Over!

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vick is junk...always has been and always will be....he's never been able to pass the ball very well and thats what qb's are supposed to do...he's was exciting to watch against bad defenses but when teams put the spy on him with a good player he was worthless...big arm...no touch..inconsistant accuracy..thinks run before pass and he's a moron.

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Hey fishin58 and Rick, how bout you tell me how a QB fakes a reverse when a QB has to first just hand off to the RB? Now tell me how there is the threat of a rollout in any reverse situation?? You guys do realize there that when running a reverse there isnt any faking a rollout do you? That the deception in running a reverse is getting the defense flowing fast and hard to the RB and then coming back with the reciever going the other way while the QB stands in the pocket drawing no attention whatsoever as to not give the defense a reason to hesitate? So again tell me how a mobile QB helps in a reverse situation.....

Now find me a draw play in which a QB actually waits to fake the draw and then tries to roll out past the defensive end who is charging upfield. Yeah that play would make alot of sense, i bet it would work real well. And then find me a screen pass in which the QB actually waits in the backfield for the D line to rush upfield to set the screen up, and then oooops, just fakes everyone out and rolls out......or is it that i just don't know football.....

....and just for arguements sake, lets just say that you could do these things. You do realize 95% of the plays run do not include a reverse, draw or screen don't you?

Hey everyone, by these guys logic i guess we can expect Pat White to be unseating Chad Pennington in Miami because he can somehow fake a reverse and rollout off it better.

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yeah and he often did it after somehow faking a reverse huh? he faked the handoff to the RB and the defense followed the RB all the way until the RB faked the handoff to the WR, then all the defenders finally knew the gig was up.....yeah find me that play please.

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Yeah, because alot of games are won every year because a team has a QB with a threat of rolling out after faking a reverse or a screen.

Actually there is a whole package of about 5 plays that can now be run very effectively with Percy, TJack and AP on the reverses alone..

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Originally Posted By: james_walleye
Yeah, because alot of games are won every year because a team has a QB with a threat of rolling out after faking a reverse or a screen.

Actually there is a whole package of about 5 plays that can now be run very effectively with Percy, TJack and AP on the reverses alone..

Ok again, please tell us how Jackson runs these 5 plays better than Sage knowing there isnt rollouts even involed in reverses.

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Where did you ever get the idea a rollout wouldn't be involved in a reverse or fake reverse?

Someone is going to have to watch Tjack for the run possibility. They won't have to with Sage.

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Where did you ever get the idea a rollout wouldn't be involved in a reverse or fake reverse?

Someone is going to have to watch Tjack for the run possibility. They won't have to with Sage.

Ok for the 3rd time. How does a QB fake a reverse when a RB has to give the ball to the WR? And for the 3rd time in a reverse the QB doesnt fake a rollout. The deception is to get the defense to flow fast and hard to the RB and to not pay attention to the QB who just stands in the pocket to accomplish this. There is no run possiblility to account for!! It doesnt matter who is handing the ball off to the RB!!

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in all honesty i haven't seen tjack do anything with his legs that sage can't do...sage is actually pretty mobile.

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A QB does not have to give the ball to a RB in a reverse. He can keep it and run with it or hand it of to a Percman going in another direction.

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Fake up the middle, rollout to Percman's side and hand off for the reverse.

or hand off for a reverse and pull the double reverse with TJack.

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Fake up the middle, rollout to Percman's side and hand off for the reverse.

Yeah thats called an end around.....

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