The world loves the Pack

[BradB]

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And as far as the comment on how anyone could be a Viking fan, easy, I grew up with them and they are my team... I am not a free agent fan, I don't hop around from team to team just becuse they might win more games or championships than the Purple, I will stick with my team through the thick and thin(which has been going on for a long time it seems)... Like I said earlier, "GO PURPLE!!"....

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I understand that explanation, it makes a lot of sense. It really is the reason why all of us are fans, for any particular team in any sport. It just seems that the Vikings make it very hard on their fans, and that most of them (not all, I must add) deserve better. That would start with a better owner, a new stadium (paid for by said owner), and a return to outdoor football.

But I just can't see how the Vikings will ever throw off that choking albatross. It is so much a part of their history, that I think it has to play into the players minds at critical times. But heck, the Red Socks did win the World Series.

Not that I want the Vikings to win a Super Bowl, but just saying.

[MJR]

A couple of comments about cheeseheads,

I am sure most of you do not, and have not played for the Packers. Are you aware of that?

Still don't care about victories prior to 1975.

How can you? Do you celebrate them each year, reflect back I am curious as to how that brings you joy, especially if you were not alive to see it.

Such a rich history.

Keep telling yourself that.

If John Deere wants to build another stadium in MN like they did in GB, not sure if we would let them. However we will have a new stadium in the next few years.

Denny Green, prior to Arizona I saw him on some bass fishing show and he was in the snickers boat. You have to listen to 93.7 in the morning on Fridays they have this guy who impersinates Denny and is pretty funny.

How much beer you drink at the games has no outcome on the teams success.

When the Pack signs a player when is it that he becomes the best player to ever play that position, before or after the first game.

Yes the whole nation wants to watch every single packer game.

You ever listen to KFAN, Karl Gerbshmit...is he a good representation of the Packer Nation.

Here is a reality check for ya....Philly

[buzzsaw]

Well said MJR!!!!!!! Jegerjack, you were also well spoken!

[fishyguy]

I have found one thing we can all agree on...Neither team can make a defensive play on 4th and 26 with the season on the line.

[bottomfeeder]

It's funny that the queen fans that have no 'rich tradtition' to celebrate are always the ones that say a teams history means nothing. Goto Lambaeu, watch a game, and visit the Packer hall of fame, only then will you even remotely begin to understand.

Yes, most likely the Eagles should win this weekend, just like they did the weekend they played the queens.

You folks are like a vikings cornerback, you have very short memories, otherwise the pain and suffering would be too much to bear.

[nolte]

MJR

I am glad my team has history, traditions and championships.

But let's talk about recent Packer history, like in the last ten years, 5 division championships, 2 superbowl appearances, and one championship. Thats a pretty good showing.

Also if anyone acttually wanted to build a stadium I think you should accept, instead of playing in the "giant inflatable toilet" as the 93X guys call it. As for "However we will have a new stadium in the next few years." I think you should use one of your own quotes "Keep telling yourself that."

[jegerjack]

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It's funny that the queen fans that have no 'rich tradtition' to celebrate are always the ones that say a teams history means nothing. Goto Lambaeu, watch a game, and visit the Packer hall of fame, only then will you even remotely begin to understand.

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Who cares of the Metrodome sucks (which it does)... I would watch the Vikings play in a freaking parking lot if I had too…. Doesn't matter whether you play in a multimillion dollar stadium or a plastic piece of crap, you still have to go down the field and score and as long as the Vikings are around I will be rooting and watching them with all of the excitement I can muster… And as far as tradition goes, the Vikings have a rich tradition and it is obvious by all of the Viking haters out there who constantly remind us of the failures that seem to plague the Vikings over the years… I, as a Viking fan, will basque in the crushed glory of the Purple and all I will say, once again, is "GO PURPLE!!"….

[Down to Earth]

Who cares of the Metrodome sucks (which it does)... I would watch the Vikings play in a freaking parking lot if I had too….

You must be the exception to the rule as it wasn't too long ago when the Vikes would play the Pack in the dome often times there seemed to be more Packer fans than Viking fans. True Vikings may be passionate about their team, but looking at history they do not compare to the Packers. Take one look the history on availability and wait lists of each of the teams season tickets. It isn't even close.

Packers = Tradition = Pasionionate Fans

Vikings = No Tradition = Bandwagon Fans

[BradB]

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And as far as tradition goes, the Vikings have a rich tradition and it is obvious by all of the Viking haters out there who constantly remind us of the failures that seem to plague the Vikings over the years… I, as a Viking fan, will basque in the crushed glory of the Purple and all I will say, once again, is "GO PURPLE!!"….

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You're going to "basque" in their crushed glory. Does that mean you are going to attack the spanish?

I have to agree that the Vikings do have a rich tradition of choking. Other than that one, I'm not sure what other "rich traditions" they might have. But I don't want to sound bitter or small-minded, as folks have the right to be proud Vikings fans. I wish most of them well, except on certain Sundays.

[muskybuck]

Walk around Minneapolis when the Vikes are winning and you will see Viking jackets everywhere. Walk those same streets after the Vikes lose a couple and there is not a Viking jacket to be found. Walk around WI and win or lose there are Packer jackets everywhere. You all know thats true. Sad but true.

[mnvikingsfreak]

have you people ever been to green bay?? I have,to watch the vikes play the pack a couple years ago there is nothing to do there its a hole in the earth it smells like @ss there is about a handfull of bars and they are all hicks everybody talks about how loyal they are? well I would be too if there was a 200 square mile radius of nothing to do at all but cow tipping or packer games well you cant cow tip during the day so I guess I will watch the packers, minnesota has 4 major sports teams all of which are very good and are in the playoffs every year what does wisconsin have to show for the packers won in 96 whoo hoo when did they win before that? 1950's? of course the packer fans hate the dome cuz you cant win there the vikings havent had a blackout game on tv in years and I wouldnt suggest wearing "pillpopper" favre jersey in the dome unless you want trouble I dont know why the packer fans get so upset with vikings fans on these forums just realize when favre retires the packers will be the chicago bears or the lions for about 8 years so enjoy that overrated baby now come 2005 now starting for the greenbay packers....Doug Pederson!!!!

[jegerjack]

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Packers = Tradition = Pasionionate Fans

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So all of the folks booing and leaving, the great Flambeau field, early during the playoff loss 2 years ago to Atlanta was not bandwagon? Oh, they must have been rushing over to the Packers Hall of Fame.... Call me bandwagon, I don't give a rats arse, when Dante throws a pick, I yell "Bench Him!!" at the TV and when he throws a bomb to Moss a mins later I say that he is the 2nd coming of Montana.... My favorite conversation with Packer fans (and believe me I know a few) is after Brett Far-va-ra, has a bad game, they will come up with a million excuses why it was not his fault.... But guess what, that is what being a Pack fan is all about, defending the unfalable one until the very end.... But go on and make broad strokes on how Vikings fans are, I will still BASQUE (oooohhhhh, I hope I am not corrected in my grammer) in the Vikings glow.... once again "GO PURPLE!!"

[BradB]

jegerjack,

Although your grammar leaves little to be desired, it is your spelling that could use a little help. You may wish to install IEspell on your computer so you can check your posts prior to posting them. If you use Firefox rather than Internet Explorer, a similar utility can be found here that will do the same thing.

You may not care a whit about your spelling, of course. But if you do, these are things that can help make your arguments look a little less silly. It's your choice.

[buzzsaw]

I guess he does that for all the Packer fans, that way they can all understand. Since Wisconsin is soooo great, I'm sure Brett Favre will probably keep his family in that state after he retires right? I mean Mississippi or Wisconsin take your pick.... If he bails I have to assume that GOD, I mean Favre is making a statement about your state.

I find it ironic that the Vikes lose to an average Falcons team (Championship game '98) and a very average Falcons team beats the Packers on the fabled Lambeau field a few years later... Didn't see that payback coming did you packer backers?! Then we lose a birth into the playoffs on a 4th and goal (25 yards?) to the Cardinals, then the Pack losses on a 4th and 26 in the playoffs they got into based on that Cardinal play.... you see Packer fans your luck is all about to change... Bretts time is coming soon...... maybe you can bring back the Majik man or Lynn Dickey.

[muskybuck]

If you MN people think that the WI people only started loving the pack after Farve got there think again. That stadium has been sold out "every" game for 40 years (Farve was not born yet). There were some terrible seasons in that time. And it will be sold out for another 40. (And that is another reason why the world loves the pack, the fans). When I moved here from MN I hated the pack. I held out for almost 4 yrs until one game I saw Brett getting the living sh-- beat out of him. He had to go to the sidelines and throw up from getting hit in the stomach. The very next play he throws a touchdown pass. That was it. I was won over by Farve. Shortly before that when I was living in Minneapolis I watched the Vikes trade away their whole team for Walker. Then I watched Jerry Burns keep him on the sidelines because he did not like the management. One game he played Walker three plays. I can fully understand why the Vike fans jackets last so long for not being worn. The team does not deserve loyal fans.

[BradB]

I'm an equal-opportunity spelling helper, and will freely help Vikings, Packers, and even Bears fans if necessary.

To my understanding, I don't think Favre actually lives in Wisconsin anyway, and I don't see how that has much to do with anything. Buzzsaw is really grasping for straws in the Falcons loss comparison, but he's free to keep trying.

Just like for Vikings fans, the Packer fans sometimes have to endure tough losses. This weekend's contest against the Eagles may bring one of them, but that's the game and as a fan you have to live with it.

And as for Favre retiring, someday he will. All players do. I have confidence in Packer management that they will find a suitable replacement, and do all the other things they need to in order to keep the Packers winning games and titles.

[jegerjack]

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jegerjack,

Although your grammar leaves little to be desired, it is your spelling that could use a little help. You may wish to install

IEspell

on your computer so you can check your posts prior to posting them. If you use

Firefox

rather than Internet Explorer, a similar utility can be found

here

that will do the same thing.

You may not care a whit about your spelling, of course. But if you do, these are things that can help make your arguments look a little less silly. It's your choice.

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I must be hitting a sore spot of yours if you are having to stoop to personal attacks, not really FishingMN material I must say. Butt eye dyegress, it is like water of a ducks back... So keep the attacks coming, you are the one that looks like a horse's..... Getting back to the theme of this thread, "GO PURPLE!!"....

[mnvikingsfreak]

hey JegerJack the gopher hockey team rules!

[mnvikingsfreak]

bradb says "Just like for Vikings fans, the Packer fans sometimes have to endure tough losses. This weekend's contest against the Eagles may bring one of them, but that's the game and as a fan you have to live with it"....well thats not a very loyal packer fan now are you,you wont just loose to the eagles you will loose 4 out your next 5 games including a blowout at the dome you forgot to mention that

[fishyguy]

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If you MN people think that the WI people only started loving the pack after Farve got there think again. That stadium has been sold out "every" game for 40 years (Farve was not born yet). There were some terrible seasons in that time. And it will be sold out for another 40. (And that is another reason why the world loves the pack, the fans). When I moved here from MN I hated the pack. I held out for almost 4 yrs until one game I saw Brett getting the living sh-- beat out of him. He had to go to the sidelines and throw up from getting hit in the stomach. The very next play he throws a touchdown pass. That was it. I was won over by Farve. Shortly before that when I was living in Minneapolis I watched the Vikes trade away their whole team for Walker.

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Muskybuck,

You stated that you were a Vikes fan until you found an admiration for Farve, which I also have. Then you decided you didn't like what was happening with the Vikes so you jumped ship. Sure sounds like bandwagon to me. Where are you going to go when Farve retires? Whoever has a stud quarterback and is winning? I do admire Farve's toughness, courage, and ability, also. That does not mean I will stop supporting the Vikes. You are the epitome of bandwagon.

The vast majority of football fans are the same in every city. Most are bandwagon, yes, that includes the Packers' fans, although I would agree it may be to a lesser extent.

It is hard not to wear green and gold in Green Bay when your only other fasion choice is blaze orange.

[BradB]

I hardly think that providing links to spell checkers qualifies as a "personal attack". I was just trying to be helpful. I'm not the best speller either, but I use these tools to correct my spelling. It's a fact of life that when you use poor spelling and bad grammar in your argument, it is diluted and people take you less seriously. It may not be fair, but it's true.

As far as the other comment about the Eagles game, I don't think you have to have blind faith that your team will win every game to be a fan. I'm realistic. The Packer D is questionable, their running back corps is rife with injury, and they're playing an away game against a 10-1 team. I sure hope they do win it, and do so in commanding fashion. But it would be foolish to proclaim them winners before the game starts.

[muskybuck]

I have tried and tried to love the Vikes. Even back when I still thoughly disliked the Pack, as all born Minnesotans are brought up doing, I could not stick with them because of the stupid coaches they had. Then Dennis Green came along and the Vikes started playing dirty football, like poke the other player in the eyes dirty, I just wrote them off. Even now you still see some of that Dennis Green's late hit dirty football coming through to haunt the Vikes. Tice is trying to fix that but it must be awful hard to beat.

You guys are pretty sure that Green Bay will never get a another good QB after Farve retires. You could be dissapointed you know.

By the way, did you guys catch Monday nights game and hear the announcers talking about Green Bay being the most loved football team in the world? It was wonderful!!

Oh yeah, and how about that play off game a few years ago when the Vikes had the best recievers (Carter and Moss)in the league, two of the best QB's, a tie game, the Vikes only needed about 30 yards to get within field goal range, 40 seconds or more to go in the fourth quarter, and Green has Cunningham take a knee. The other team wins the toss on overtime, goes right down kicks field goal and wins. That year the Vikes proabably had the best team in the NFL. That is typical Viking coaching stupidity. Even then Green got to coach another year. Man, That is why I say the Vikes don't even deserve loyal fans. If I was owner of the Vikes that day I would have fired Green on TV right after the game in front of whole stadium. For sure. That is when that joke got started about what do The MN Vikes and Billy Graham have in common, they can both get 60 thousand people to stand up at the same time and shout Jes-- Chri--!!!!

I really don't blame you Vike fans for secretly admiring and loving the Pack. It only natural. Don't be afraid to let it out.

[mnvikingsfreak]

good game favre!!

[buzzsaw]

I "secretely" admired them Packers yesterday during the close game they had with Philly! About as much as I secretely admired my Vikings red zone woes against da bears. I don't think either was a fluke... Minnesota needs a better deense, I mean Chad Hutchinson C'mon! and the Eagles must have thought they were playing on a ritz cracker for a field because they sure were spreading that cheese wiz around!

[fishinphilth]

It was an ugly week for both of the teams. I don't care who you support both games were pretty ugly. The only thing that kept me from pulling my hair out is the shelling that the eagles gave to the pack. It brought back a little hope to a hopeless viking football day.

[bottomfeeder]

This just in. Another example of how the world does indeed love the Pack.

I was listening to Mike & Mike on ESPN radio this morning on the way to work. They were discussing the top football jersys sold this year.

1) Favre

2) Vick

3) Brady

4) I forget

Yes, the world does love the Pack.

[mnvikingsfreak]

way to choke again green bay 34-0 at home when below 34 degrees! not anymore favre sucks!

[buzzsaw]

Be nice fellow Vikings fan.... it can all come back to bite us in the arse this Friday.... but we will win when Favre tosses three more interceptions!

All I can ay is it would be nice to have our offensive line in tact, without Birk, Rosenthal and McKinnie (out most of the last game) the Lions had Culpepper on the run... I believe we will have Birk & Winfield back for Fridays tilt at the dome. It should be a shootout and a merry X-mas for either the purple faithful or the cheeseheads... my prediction Vikes 27-23.

[bottomfeeder]

With all the taunting, excessive celebration, and cheap shots, I thought the Pack was playing the vikings. Guess I can look forward to more of that next week at the dump.

My prediction, Packers 45, Queens 0

[otto_man]

31 to 31 it couldn't turn out any other way, they both suck and couldn't win if they wanted to...