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Walleye_Farm

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Stick in Mud

Ha! That's got bumper sticker written all over it. smile

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pushbutton

Now if we could just incorporate "stick people" into that equation....would for sure be a money maker.

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river rat316

What is the harvest limit for each side?

we have always got around double what the natives got, but hey that's not fair enough for some

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PurpleFloyd

"Dead fish don't spawn whether they are killed in April or August!"

You are right and I have said that countless times here.

But that only works if you can show and prove the fish killed in a gill net in April will be killed the same year by hook and line anglers. Again, as I have pointed out countless times here, studies show that less than 10 percent of fish caught in a net in the spring by the DNR crews for tagging purposes, get caught and harvested the same year they are tagged. So how can a netted fish by Tribal nets be any different? Obviously, 90 percent or more of the gill netted fish would survive based on documented studies, more than a year and many multiple years, spawning multiple springs adding countless more YOY to the system --if not killed in a tribal gill net. At a 1.8 lb. average, Tribal gill netted DEAD fish add up to 100's of thousands of walleyes over the past 15 years.

Again, you are right--"Dead fish don't spawn whether they are killed in April or August!"--IF the fish is killed in the same year by either hook and line anglers or gill nets. Again--over 90 percent of the netted fish would NOT be killed the same year if not gill netted and killed by Band nets. That is not debatable. That is documented by many years of DNR records.

This doesn't make any sense. How can you relate the netting done by the DNR in a study to the netting done by the tribes for harvest?

The harvest regulation is set to control the number of POUNDS of walleyes harvested,not how many were released and caught again.

The netting is not hurting the population any more than hook and line and actually probably less because with the net they are keeping every fish until the quota is reached and then they stop.

With hook and line many fish are caught and thrown back and a percentage of those will die and go to waste or at least are not available to breed or harvest again.

But in the end they are regulating harvest by the pound and it doesn't matter whether they are removed by hook,net or by sticking your head in the water and grabbing them like you are bobbing for Apple's. A pound of dead fish is a pound of dead fish.

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Mr.Seaguar

Jesus and some of his disciples were gill netters. Seems like they turned out OK. wink

The only reason they turned out OK was because they stopped netting. "...immediately they left their nets and followed Him" Matthew 4:20

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PurpleFloyd

Jesus and some of his disciples were gill netters. Seems like they turned out OK. wink

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Willy

In my opinion, the collapse of the perch fishery/population has/had more to do with the troubles of Mille Lacs than anything else. The early 2000's through today, mostly the fish of Mille Lacs have been starving, easy to catch, etc.

Boat after boat catching 30-60 fish a day for years took its toll as much or more than the nets.

I haven't fished the lake for 40 years or anything, but remember back in the 90's and before I'm sure, there were plenty of perch to go around. The walleye fishing was also much tougher. Not everyone and their brother could go out and just maylay the walleyes like they can now. Each boat and fishhouse catching tons and tons of starving fish and tossing them back was hard on the lake I think.

Also, I don't what it will take for some to figure it out, but in my opinion, the only way to fix the lake will be a cooperative effort from the State/DNR/Anglers and the tribe. Fighting against each other will help nothing. Lawsuits, PERM, whining on websites, fellergy's fishing fund. None of it will help unless you can get the band on your side. Legislative types and/or the DNR will never take a stand against the natives. I know it sucks, but that is just the way it is.

Take Red as an example. Band + State = fixed lake.

Mille Lacs = Fight + more fight = still broken lake.

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herm

I agree with Walleye Farm's opening post and Willy's assessment about perch.

That said, I would respectfully suggest to HotSpot web masters that they create a single thread labeled "Lake Management Ideas" (or similar) within the Mille Lacs thread so users who want to discuss that issue can click there and people wanting to talk just fishing Mille Lacs can read the other posts.

Thanks in advance for considering this suggestion.

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Big Dave2

Aren't there 8 bands netting on Mille Lacs, only one of which has tourism interests in the area?

Just my opinion and I could be completely wrong but I would think it would be worth it for the Mille Lacs band to share some of the casino proceeds in return for these other bands to stop netting. I would think that in the long run it would be well worth it for all parties involved but I might be wrong.

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leech~~

Jesus and some of his disciples were gill netters. Seems like they turned out OK. wink

Well, they really did need the meat, didn't have a store to go to and didn't have a Casino to fall back on! wink

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delcecchi

I always figured they were seining Or cast netting., not gill netting.

John 21:6

Quote:
But when the day was now breaking, Jesus stood on the beach; yet the disciples did not know that it was Jesus. 5So Jesus said to them, "Children, you do not have any fish, do you?" They answered Him, "No." 6And He said to them, "Cast the net on the right-hand side of the boat and you will find a catch." So they cast, and then they were not able to haul it in because of the great number of fish.…

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Kyhl

Who cares. It's called fishing not stocking your freezer.

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jentz

BigDave2 WHY? With all the negativity from over the years still going today Why should they try to appease the complainers?

That I believe is a large part of the problem,They procured the treaty rights.Some don't like it and they are loud about it, very loud! SO much so on most sites bring up mill lacs ask a question about a bite or bait,They turn into netting [PoorWordUsage] matches! .That creates a negative relationship and they are proud as you and me, Its their right to net and with bad relationships I'm sure many of the natives think why compromise we finally have part of what they took!

Make the treaty null and void UMMM Make the Constitution/Bill o rights null and void I bet the anti gun people would love to have a say in rewriting that document

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leech~~

It sounds like you are upset that you are not getting "your fair share".

Btw, I'll be fishing ML this weekend and looking forward to not keeping one fish. Sounds like fun to me. I wish they would make it catch and release only. laugh

Kyhl, have a dam fun time up there! smile

Hey, come back and give a real "Fish Report" and not add all your feelings of what others are doing or feeling about the lake! wink

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Mike #1

I thought this was a Mille Lacs fishing report forum? You know, the one where somebody would say “I caught 10 fish on Saturday in 15 feet using Lunker Plunkers”. You hardly see any guides or tourney fishermen reporting here because the thread is going to get hijacked into a non fishing report comment. Do you guys know that they have a Outdoor discussions, Clean Up and Agendas forum? It is at the bottom and I just went on it asking for a Mille Lacs fishing report, I hope to get a straight answer.

If I ever have a slow day I’m just going to answer every post with the following comments:

Gill netting, slot limit, 1837 treaty, red lake, DNR, casino money, and non native anglers.

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Big Dave2

BigDave2 WHY? With all the negativity from over the years still going today Why should they try to appease the complainers?

One word.........money.

I'm not saying that the bands are obligated to give in and stop netting, I'm just saying that financially speaking it would probably make the most sense.

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delcecchi

If I am a band member from Wisconsin, why does it make financial sense for me to not net Mille Lacs?

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Kyhl

Kyhl, have a dam fun time up there! smile

Hey, come back and give a real "Fish Report" and not add all your feelings of what others are doing or feeling about the lake! wink

The weather did not cooperate at all.

Friday we spent some time down in Cove Bay in the rain and hiding from the wind throwing bucktails and stick baits but not follows.

The wind shifted so we launch on the west side for the evening bobber/leech bite. A couple hours on the water and boated 4 small 10" walleyes and a 24".

The Saturday NW wind kept us hiding behind Sherman's point. Two keepers were found, plus a 23", a 17 7/8", a jumbo perch, and a 14" smallie. Had to leave early to avoid the incoming storm and even more wind.

Better? laugh

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GravelBar

If I am a band member from Wisconsin, why does it make financial sense for me to not net Mille Lacs?

Prior to the Casinos the state of Minnesota paid the bands not net the lake. Once the casinos open the netting started. Now you have the Minnesota bands not so interested in netting. So I think if the state of Minnesota and the Minnesota bands went together to pay cash to the Wisconsin tribe not to net it makes financial sense to stop the netting.

Once again I do not want to stop the netting all together. I believe once the lake has recovered the bands could net 25,000 lbs so they could carry on their heritage.

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kgpcr4

It wasn't just the netting that killed Red. Ask anyone who lives there what happened and it was far from the sole reason.

While I don't blame nets for Mille Lacs I sure do for Red. Only 15% of the 2 lakes are open to us so with rod and reel there is NO WAY you could kill the lake. Netting open all year long with no management is what killed it.

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BlackArrow1

I'm a Mille Lacs band member. I don't net. But I do hook and line harvest my quota per day several times a year if I can. Personally Id rather we didn't have other bands netting the lake but they signed several treaties so they overlap on Mille Lacs. Responding to people saying hook and line tribe members fishing. The times I've been out I never see tribe anglers fishing. There are some no doubt. But I really doubt the hook and line worry about harming quota harvest. I've talked to several anglers on the lake asking me about keeping larger fish and I said tribal harvest and they were nothing but nice and joking. Some radicals on this site don't speak for all I've found wink.

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PierBridge

Agreed!!

I love talking fishing and hunting with anyone and have had nothing but positive and interesting experiences when chatting with Native Americans.

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leech~~

The weather did not cooperate at all.

Friday we spent some time down in Cove Bay in the rain and hiding from the wind throwing bucktails and stick baits but not follows.

The wind shifted so we launch on the west side for the evening bobber/leech bite. A couple hours on the water and boated 4 small 10" walleyes and a 24".

The Saturday NW wind kept us hiding behind Sherman's point. Two keepers were found, plus a 23", a 17 7/8", a jumbo perch, and a 14" smallie. Had to leave early to avoid the incoming storm and even more wind.

Better? laugh

Perfect! wink

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leech~~

While I don't blame nets for Mille Lacs I sure do for Red. Only 15% of the 2 lakes are open to us so with rod and reel there is NO WAY you could kill the lake. Netting open all year long with no management is what killed it.

kgpcr4, your example of Red is a very good one, not sure how it doesn't follow on Mille Lacs? confused

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chris63

Allocation of resources:Take the percentage of Netters per total popultion,take the percentage of hook and liners per total popultion and allocate the resources respectively.c63

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