Jump to content
  • GUESTS

    If You  want access  to member only forums on FM, You will need to Sign-in or  Sign-Up now .

    This box will disappear once you are signed in as a member.

Manziel Debate


DrJuice1980

Recommended Posts

I'm not sure Cassel wants to just be a mentor for a year. Good chance he may not come back. I bet Ponder will mentor a new guy though lol.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 1.2k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • Big Dave2

    181

  • DrJuice1980

    176

  • CaptainMusky

    173

  • LMITOUT

    135

I am not so sure that Cassel wants to come back so the choice of him being a mentor may be made already

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am not so sure that Cassel wants to come back so the choice of him being a mentor may be made already

Would you want to come back if you were Cassel?? Had to sit there most of the season and watch those two clowns play in front of you when he was clearly better than both of them. I wouldnt blame him for leaving. I rate him at 15-20 in ranks as a starter. There are plenty of team he could go play for and start. There are probably 15 starting QBs that I would take Cassel over.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I would be happy with either but they're the only two in the draft that might be ready to play no. JM would have a shot of doing well right away with us or the texans. If he lands in Jacksonville he's screwed, no line and no defense.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I would be happy with either but they're the only two in the draft that might be ready to play no. JM would have a shot of doing well right away with us or the texans. If he lands in Jacksonville he's screwed, no line and no defense.

So you are saying vikes have a good line and defense? Seriously?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I personally think Bridgewater is going to fall to the bottom of the 1st...that's when someone will trade back into the 1st to take him.

Ricky likes to do things like that.....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I like JM more then Bridgwater, I think JM has a higher upside then Bridgewater, but I think Bridgewater will be a sure bet mediocre starter in the NFL.

Bridgwater wont make it past the Vikes #8 pick, no way, no how.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Kiper has Tedy falling to the Vikes, with JM and Bortles being picked ahead of him. I'm not sold on Tedy and his physical presence, he looks fragile. I think we could get a good qb later and if the Vikes hire Linnehan or Turner they could develop the qb. We're going to be outdoors for couple years so I think they need someone who can handle the elements and the punishment of the nfc north rivals.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Alot will change with these mock drafts between now and the draft, just wait for the combine, peoples stocks will rise and fall based on their numbers and character issues.

Now that we have new coaches I'm not against waiting for a QB and picking up a top flight player at a different position. New coaches could get more out of one of the guys that we already have on the roster or pick up in the offseason.

We could do some good things here with another solid draft and the cap room we will have.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It would be a godsend if Bridgewater were to fall to MN, but I doubt that will happen. That would require good luck, of which the Vikes have little.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Cassel is going to lead us into next season as the starting QB. They draft TB with the #8 pick and let him soak up the knowledge on the bench for a season and then start the next year where the Vikings win the division, get through the playoffs to the NFC Championship game. Then we lose all the coaches to vacant head coaching jobs and don't win a game the next year. TRUE STORY

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Wow. 50 pages now on this thread. That's a lot of banter for a guy not likely to become a vike. Not sure when the last 50 pager thread occurred in the fb forum? Does it date back to the Favre days?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 'we have more fun' FishingMN Creators

No, dates back all the way to December 10, 2013 when DrJuice started telling everyone all the Vikes need to have a super bowl team is a stub MLB, don't need no QB:

http://www.hotspotoutdoors.com/forum/ubb...ngs#Post3119496

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Good guess, Greebs. The thread with the most replies in the FB forum was titled "Favre".

Coincidence?

I think not.

johnnyDOLLARS_medium.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Poor Johnny might be destined for doom if the reports are true about the Browns doing whatever it takes to get him.

They (Cleveland) will get him or Houston will stay put and take him. If I was Houston at 1 or St Louis at 2 I would be pushing hard for a deal with Cleveland. If it is St Louis I look for them to be a major powerhouse in a couple years. They just might get the same deal the Redskins gave up for RG3. The Vikings would have to give away 2 years of draft to try and get this tool. No way he is worth it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Don't forget about coaching.

They do have a good defense and some offensive weapons, similar to the Chiefs last year, teams can turn it around quick if the chips fall in place.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Vikes have a ton of holes, so do the Browns. QB is only one of them. And Rico-suave, my stance has never been "we dont need a QB." It has been that there is not an answer to our QB problems in this draft. Im not at all excited about any of these guys, the only guy I'd be open to would be Carr, I think I'd be more open if his last name wasnt Carr though. I believe this draft has some attractive players to build a defense out of, and it seems as if we got the right guy here to do it. Cinncy has had excellent LB play for years and that team has been built around its defense. Hopefully Zimmer can continue that here, no they havent made the superbowl or anything but they also havent had anything close to AP.

Ive been pretty clear on this stance the entire forum.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I say take the best player available we could use it at almost any position, I'd rather move down then up. I wouldn't want for us to reach again for a QB just for the sake of saying we took a QB to try and have him be the future of the franchise. Hopefully reaching for Ponder taught them a lesson, we could of got a real good player at a different position with that pick.

We very well could stack up on Defense early since our D was bottom of the league, DE, DT, LB, CB, S, could use help anywhere on D, an o-line stud wouldn't hurt, either would an elite WR.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I agree this team needs a ton of work on defense. Are there any solid free agent qb's available this year or no? I wonder if they will keep Ponder on the roster, maybe 3rd string.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Not really...

Josh McCown, QB, Bears. Age: 35

Michael Vick, QB, Eagles. Age: 34

Josh Freeman, QB, Vikings. Age: 26

Shaun Hill, QB, Lions. Age: 34.

Chad Henne, QB, Jaguars. Age: 29.

T-Junk, QB, Seahawks. Age: 31.

Luke McCown, QB, Saints. Age: 33.

Kellen Clemens, QB, Rams. Age: 31.

Matt Flynn, QB, Packers. Age: 29.

Rex Grossman, QB, Redskins. Age: 34.

Colt McCoy, QB, 49ers. Age: 27.

Joe Webb, QB/WR, Vikings. Age: 27.

Dan Orlovsky, QB, Buccaneers. Age: 31.

Derek Anderson, QB, Panthers. Age: 31.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I wouldn't be suprised at all if the Vikes went heavy D in this draft. Zimmer is a defensive guy...he'll want to make his "mark" with this team defensively. I'll guess three of the first 4 picks will be D players.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

Quote:
Johnny Manziel declines Super Bowl appearances to train

Johnny Manziel has received a lot of attention -- much of it negative -- for his off-field decisions the past 15 or so months. Surprisingly, his decision this week to bypass the Super Bowl and all its festivities hasn't received all that much publicity.

His agent, Eric Burkhardt, said Manziel was presented opportunities to go to New York but declined. Some reports have said those opportunities included money for promotional services. But Manziel is putting work before pleasure, trading what likely would've been a six-figure payday for workouts to improve his footwork. Can you imagine the attention he would've received had he gone to New York and bypassed the daily workouts?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 weeks later...

The little boy is doing everything he can to get himself selected #1 overall in the draft. He wants to stay in TX bigtime.

He will not make it past 4, and I highly doubt he makes it past 3.

If he makes it past 1, Cleveland will give up the draft to move ahead of Jacksonville to get him, and the Rams can still get their guy and accumulate a bunch of value at 4.

Looks like we could have Manzel, Bortles and Bridgewater going 1-3. Clowney should end up in Oakland unless the Rams take him cause they think he is the best available. I really hope the Vikings trade back now and pick up some value.

I would laugh if he was passed by Houston and the Rams drafted him at 2. That would screw up a ton of draft boards.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Your Responses - Share & Have Fun :)

    • LakeofthewoodsMN
      On the South Shore...  The focus for many this week is the ongoing deer hunting season which is a big tradition in these parts, even for avid walleye anglers.  There were some that either already harvested their deer or are more into catching fall walleyes than hunting.     Those that are fishing are taking advantage of the unseasonably warm weather and excellent walleye and sauger bite that is happening across the lake.  Cold weather is in the forecast in the upcoming days and weeks so that is also getting many excited. The best depths on the south end of LOW are 22-28 feet of water.     Vertical jigging with frozen emerald shiners is catching most of the walleyes, saugers and jumbo perch.  Depending upon where on the lake you are fishing, some slots and big trophies are in the mix as well, but most reports are talking about good numbers of eaters.    Jumbo perch are coming in good numbers this fall which will serve ice anglers well.  Watch out for an occasional pike or even lake sturgeon mixed in with the walleyes.      There are good numbers of walleyes and saugers across the south shore which is setting up nicely for early ice.   On the Rainy River...  There continues to be good numbers of shiners in the river, and consequently, there are good walleyes in the river as well.     Walleyes along with saugers, pike and some sturgeon are coming in up and down the river.  Most walleyes are being caught in 10-25 feet of water in various stretches of the river.   Jigging with live or frozen emerald shiners is the key. Some anglers are also still slow trolling crankbaits upstream to cover more ground and find fish. Both methods are producing solid results. Sturgeon fishing remains strong.  The catch-and-release sturgeon fishing is open into the spring when it changes to the "keep season" on April 24th. Up at the NW Angle...  As temps are getting colder, most are in the woods hunting and not fall fishing, however, for those who bundle up, fishing continues to be excellent.     A nice mixed bag with walleyes, saugers, perch, pike and crappies being caught. Very good muskie fishing with the colder water temps and shorter days.  Some big fish and some good numbers are being caught amongst the islands.  Both casting and trolling is getting it done.  
    • gimruis
      I hunt in the rifle zone so I don't have a need to use a shotgun to hunt deer, but I would be looking at this if there was ever a need to.   There could be state legislation introduced next summer that eliminates the shotgun zone completely.  It has bipartisan support.  Wisconsin removed theirs years ago and MN is usually later to follow.  They've tried to pass it more than once and it came up just short both times.  Probably just a matter of time.
    • Wanderer
      Oh, h e l l no! 
    • leech~~
      Screw that, here's whatch need!  😆   Power-Shok Rifled Slug 10 Gauge 766 Grain Grain Weight: 766 Shotshell Length: 3-1/2in / 89mm Muzzle Velocity: 1280
    • Wanderer
      20 ga has become a real popular deer round in the last 5 or so years.  The rifled barrels are zinging those sabot slugs with rifle like accuracy out to 100 yards easily.  Some go so far as dialing in for a 200 yard shot but really, by 150 they’re falling off pretty low.   I have a single shot Ultraslug in 20 ga that shoots really well at 100 yards.  Most everyone I know that has bought a slug gun lately has gotten the Savage 220 in 20ga.  Problem can be finding the shells you want.
    • leech~~
      My son always bugs me about getting a nice light over-under 20ga for grouse hunting.  I say Heck no, I'm getting a 3 1/2" 10ga so I can put as much lead in the air that I can!!     So, I'm keeping my 12ga.  
    • 11-87
      That’s almost exactly what I was thinking.  Have slug barrels for both   One for turkey and one for deer.      I have a 20ga mosseberg as well. (Combo came with the scope but never used.   I always liked the 12 better
    • leech~~
      Wanderer is right on the money and covered it well.  I was wondering too if you had a slug barrel for one of your guns?  If so you could make that your slug gun with a scope, and the other your turkey gun with the Red dot.  As you can afford it. 
    • Wanderer
      Kinda depends on if you want magnification or quick target acquisition.   More magnification options and better accuracy with a scope.  You get what you pay for too so get comfortable with a budget for one.  Tasco and Bushnell work but I find they lose their zero easier, have low contrast and don’t gather light well in low light conditions.  That said, I’m still using one I haven’t replaced yet.  Vortex has been the hot brand for the past several years for bang for the buck.  Good products.  Nothing beats Swarovski though.  Huge dough for those.  Burris is another decent option.   There are some specific models for shotgun/slug hunting in the economy brands and bullet drop compensation (BDC) reticles.  Based on experience I’d recommend not falling for that marketing ploy.   Red dots are usually lower magnification and easier to get on target.  Reasonably accurate but don’t do well with definition, like searching the brush for your target.  I put a HAWKE red dot on a .22 for squirrels and it’s been good.  For turkey, that’s probably the route I’d go.     If your slug shots are normally not too far and too brushy, I’d think a red dot could work there too if you’re only buying 1 scope.  You’ll be better off dimming the reticle to the lowest setting you can easily use to not over shine the target and get a finer aim point.   If you don’t have a slug barrel, you might appreciate one of those.  I had a browning with a smoothbore slug barrel that shot Brenneke 2-3/4 inch well.  The 11-87 would well fitted with a cantelever rifled barrel. 
    • 11-87
      Looking for recommendations on scope or red dot    I basically hunt turkey and whitetail, live in southern MN. So it’s all deer/ shotgun    looking to add a scope/ red dot as my eyes don’t work like they used to to with the open sights.    my gun options are 11/87 12. Browning BPS 12    not looking for the most expensive or the cheapest    pros and cons of one over the other
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.