talmoon/spring lake info

[smurfy]

Oh like you don't ask fer it, maybe a little bit!

[rundrave]

8 hours ago, Wanderer said:

One of the houses is limited out on eyes.  We’re close.  The third house has fish but been struggling a little bit - with just about everything though.

How many people in your group were using forward facing sonar?

 

I’m starting to get more and more of the opinion the fish are starting to act differently because of these new ffs?  
 

I’m seeing lots of fish just come in on the edge of the screen and stop on a dime and just turn around and leave. 
 

Not all of the fish, but plenty of fish. Part of me wants to chalk it up to really really good clear ice with no snow on top of it and they are extra spooky. but I have a feeling these sonars are starting to affect the fish and they’re getting wise to them?

Edited Sunday at 11:31 PM by rundrave

[Mike89]

sounds/or something from the ducer is my guess

[Kettle]

3 hours ago, rundrave said:

How many people in your group were using forward facing sonar?

 

I’m starting to get more and more of the opinion the fish are starting to act differently because of these new ffs?  
 

I’m seeing lots of fish just come in on the edge of the screen and stop on a dime and just turn around and leave. 
 

Not all of the fish, but plenty of fish. Part of me wants to chalk it up to really really good clear ice with no snow on top of it and they are extra spooky. but I have a feeling these sonars are starting to affect the fish and they’re getting wise to them?

I think we're just seeing fish we previously hadn't seen. I've realized a lot in the boat on clear lakes in shallow water a fish won't let you get within 50 ft. Last opener i was catching walleye in 4 ft. If the boat got within 50 ft the fish were gone

[Wanderer]

4 hours ago, rundrave said:

How many people in your group were using forward facing sonar?

 

I’m starting to get more and more of the opinion the fish are starting to act differently because of these new ffs?  

2/3 houses were running them.  And one of them had both a Mega Live and Garmin going at the same time last night.  That house did the best.  We did well.  The one without only got a few fish.

 

41 minutes ago, Kettle said:

I think we're just seeing fish we previously hadn't seen. I've realized a lot in the boat on clear lakes in shallow water a fish won't let you get within 50 ft. Last opener i was catching walleye in 4 ft. If the boat got within 50 ft the fish were gone

 

I think there’s also some of this going on.  We just see more.  That’s all there is to it.

 

I’m always wondering the fish are sensing them too and avoiding or not biting as aggressively but I would shut mine off for periods of time and our catch didn’t go up.  It really went down, but that could also be because the bite shut down and I was tired of looking at a blank screen, hoping they would come in with it off.

 

Now to say the house with most FFS power won because of that?  I don’t think so.  They were probably on a little bit better spot but they’re also very good fishermen.

 

The house that had none and did the worst was put ON the spot that did the best last year.  They were also the greenest fishermen that had a loud generator and may or may not have rigged their lines correctly.

 

What FFS has told me so far: there are no absolutes and things happen differently than we assumed in the past.

[Wanderer]

This was our overnight, last night.  The smaller perch were kept because of barotrauma.  

[rundrave]

30 minutes ago, Wanderer said:

What FFS has told me so far: there are no absolutes and things happen differently than we assumed in the past.

It’s so rewarding to see them come in and everything comes together and equally frustrating to see them come in and do nothing lol 

[leech~~]

11 hours ago, rundrave said:

It’s so rewarding to see them come in and everything comes together and equally frustrating to see them come in and do nothing lol 

You should have bought the $5,000 make um bite Garmin, instead of just the $2,500 look at um Garmin. 

[Wanderer]

11 hours ago, rundrave said:

It’s so rewarding to see them come in and everything comes together and equally frustrating to see them come in and do nothing lol 

I like seeing what direction they’re going and that I can usually ID fish by profile, movement and speed.  Not 100% but probably 75%+ positive ID based on location and presentation.

 

I can set the one transducer to cover all the lines fished in the house, see if they’re all set at the depth I want and see how many looks the baits get before being hit - or not hit.

 

Sometimes it’s the first bait a fish comes to no matter what, sometimes they come through and check em all then go away.  Sometimes they check em all then turn around and go pick the one they liked the most.  Move it or leave it alone?  Are the minnows swimming hard?  Are they crossing lines?  Will fish lift up to check the high sets?  Do they do that more aggressively?  Is a high set a trigger or do they want it low so they can just swim into it?  Is the fish that bites the one closest to the bait or is it one that rushes in from further away to steal it?

 

That last one has been an eye opener for panfish.  So many times you’re working one fish that won’t go but it’s one that bum rushes the bait from 10’ away that you catch.  All the while with regular sonar you think finally coaxed that first one to bite.

[leech~~]

27 minutes ago, Wanderer said:

I like seeing what direction they’re going and that I can usually ID fish by profile, movement and speed.  Not 100% but probably 75%+ positive ID based on location and presentation.

 

I can set the one transducer to cover all the lines fished in the house, see if they’re all set at the depth I want and see how many looks the baits get before being hit - or not hit.

 

Sometimes it’s the first bait a fish comes to no matter what, sometimes they come through and check em all then go away.  Sometimes they check em all then turn around and go pick the one they liked the most.  Move it or leave it alone?  Are the minnows swimming hard?  Are they crossing lines?  Will fish lift up to check the high sets?  Do they do that more aggressively?  Is a high set a trigger or do they want it low so they can just swim into it?  Is the fish that bites the one closest to the bait or is it one that rushes in from further away to steal it?

 

That last one has been an eye opener for panfish.  So many times you’re working one fish that won’t go but it’s one that bum rushes the bait from 10’ away that you catch.  All the while with regular sonar you think finally coaxed that first one to bite.

Kind of like a old school, cheap camera.

[Wanderer]

1 hour ago, leech~~ said:

Kind of like an old school, cheap camera.

Yeah but I’ve come to hate using cameras anyway.  Too much hassle.  I have 2 that I could easily be talked into selling.  I rarely even think about em anymore unless something gets dropped down the hole and you want to make an attempt at getting it back.

 

Like our daughters cell phone last weekend!

[leech~~]

2 minutes ago, Wanderer said:

Yeah but I’ve come to hate using cameras anyway.  Too much hassle.  I have 2 that I could easily be talked into selling.  I rarely even think about em anymore unless something gets dropped down the hole and you want to make an attempt at getting it back.

 

Like our daughters cell phone last weekend!

Yep have one that's been sitting for about 4 years now about to get shipped off to the grandsons to play with.  It was fun for a while, the last time I used it was on a few trout lakes and to fish my digital camera out of Red Lake when it got bumped off the table!  

[rundrave]

3 hours ago, leech~~ said:

You should have bought the $5,000 make um bite Garmin, instead of just the $2,500 look at um Garmin. 

that just gets you hdmi out to broadcast to tv otherwise its the same transducer

 

[smurfy]

i have and still use my underwater camera to to a seek and search mission for sunfish..........more so in the summer.  can get to be a pain in winter in deep water though!!!!! i wont be getting rid of it anytime soon!!!!!