APR 2013?

[TruthWalleyes]

Darn APR's...

[MUSKY18]

APR should be state wide. Can only shoot 10 pointers or above and only if they score over 180. Shoot any other buck and you shall be fined 2000 dollars. Problem solved.....lets go hunt!

[PurpleFloyd]

180? We should let them run until they qualify for the record books. Then, instead of shooting them, just take a picture and have a replica made.

[TruthWalleyes]

APR should be state wide. Can only shoot 10 pointers or above and only if they score over 180. Shoot any other buck and you shall be fined 2000 dollars. Problem solved.....lets go hunt!

Darn farmers will keep their crops out so you can't shoot them.

[HandGunner]

So i guess when they leave plots and chop it while ppl are hunting or leave areas of corn just to wait until were done to get rid of it must mean they are not trying to ruin ppls hunt? Its quite funny that the only land they can even hunt is the land we hunt beause its the only woods there the corn surrounds the forrest. Its also quite interesting wen we go back the second weekend we see them head out from their farm land into the woods were the week before on openner that area had the strip of corn that for some reason is gone now. I cannot take any excuses from these farmers admit it some farmers will do this for their own reasons, power to control deer movement to some degree and use it to their self, i have cousins their every weekend from bow to muzzleloader, they have seen it all

[TruthWalleyes]

So i guess when they leave plots and chop it while ppl are hunting or leave areas of corn just to wait until were done to get rid of it must mean they are not trying to ruin ppls hunt? Its quite funny that the only land they can even hunt is the land we hunt beause its the only woods there the corn surrounds the forrest. Its also quite interesting wen we go back the second weekend we see them head out from their farm land into the woods were the week before on openner that area had the strip of corn that for some reason is gone now. I cannot take any excuses from these farmers admit it some farmers will do this for their own reasons, power to control deer movement to some degree and use it to their self, i have cousins their every weekend from bow to muzzleloader, they have seen it all

Dude, you can't be serious.

#1, it's their land. They can do whatever they want.

#2, Deer hunting goes from SEPTEMBER 9TH till DECEMBER something.....YOu expect the farmers to stay out the entire fall...Derrrr.

You want some land. BUY IT.

SOund SOOOO entitled. From the cities?

[96trigger]

Corn is chopped in September, not October or November.

Personally, if there was an area of state land where the farmer was leaving "strips" of corn in when all the other corn was out, I'd be thanking the farmer. The woodland adjacent to the corn field will be your best deer hunting.

I have also had some great hunts while farmers are in the fields doing field work. The deer are more occupied with the machinery and not as alert to my presence. I can get away with more noise and movement.

[TruthWalleyes]

I love when a combine hits the field and i'm hunting. Get ready.

[Bear55]

It's a conspiracy!!! Check it out HandGunner

www.farmers-against-public-land-hunters.com

[CANOPY SAM]

I cannot take any excuses from these farmers admit it some farmers will do this for their own reasons, power to control deer movement to some degree and use it to their self, i have cousins their every weekend from bow to muzzleloader, they have seen it all

HandGunner. Have you ever thought, just maybe, that these vindictive, manipulative farmers everywhere are simply out to get just you, and your cousins?

[flipper]

Corn is chopped in September, not October or November.

Actually a pretty small percentage of the corn acres are chopped for sileage these days. Most of the corn is picked and, yes, that will occur in October and November, especially with the cool wet spring we had this year.

Farmers are free to do their harvesting when they choose. Not too many of them make their decisions based on deer hunting but if they want to leave a strip of corn to feed some deer that is their preogative.

[96trigger]

Quote:

Actually a pretty small percentage of the corn acres are chopped for sileage these days. Most of the corn is picked and, yes, that will occur in October and November, especially with the cool wet spring we had this year.

Maybe it wasn't clear to you, but that's what I was getting at, corn is generally picked with a combine in October, November and even December. The field corn is going to start getting chopped around here very soon. I'm seeing quite a few choppers with corn heads and chopper boxes sitting in the yards.

[psepuncher]

#1, it's their land. They can do whatever they want.

#2, Deer hunting goes from SEPTEMBER 9TH till DECEMBER something.....YOu expect the farmers to stay out the entire fall...Derrrr.

You want some land. BUY IT.

SOund SOOOO entitled. From the cities?

how about this.

Have all the city folk yank out their landscape plants Sept 1st.

you know it happens every deer season, all the homeowners just deer hording...grrrr. I can't ever get a crack at a deer cuz my neighbors got a ton of bedding plants over there. ...

which reminds me..........

August 27, 2013 Minnesota, Southernminn.com

... During a meeting on Tuesday night, the Faribault City Council unanimously approved the deer management hunt plan which is tentatively scheduled for the first week in December.

[PurpleFloyd]

Are they implementing APR in that hunt? And are they letting the small ones grow up to increase the quality and health of the herd?

[Jameson]

No, it doesn't look like they are implementing APR's, but they are letting some small ones grow up by limiting the hunters to 25 which should result in a quality healthy herd with all age classes represented and the sex ratio not way out of whack.

[PurpleFloyd]

Sorta like a regular season without APR then. Gotcha.

[Jameson]

Not quite. Regular season has unlimited buck tags. It's like regular season with a buck lottery.

[PurpleFloyd]

That is a failed logic. There are more deer in the state herd than licenses sold and we only take around 20% of the total herd including does and the bucks harvested are bucks of all ages, nit just one year class. There are always small ones left over to grow up for the next year.

[lakevet]

It will be a 3 day hunt, not the sept thru dec, multiple season multiple weapons chase that buck for four months situation we have in Minnesota now. Limiting hunt to 3 days limits pressure on bucks, and increases pressure to just deer hunt, that is harvest the first legal deer that comes along, more likely antler less.

lakevet

[PurpleFloyd]

It will be a 3 day hunt, not the sept thru dec, multiple season multiple weapons chase that buck for four months situation we have in Minnesota now.

[psepuncher]

it's a post rut hunt over bait,...er flower pots,

works well when the big boys are coming back into fill up their bellies.

[Jameson]

That is a failed logic. ...

Actually I used to think the same as you. Experience has taught me otherwise...in parts of the state. Now I try to hunt areas with less hunters per square mile, and am seeing a better herd.

[tfran123]

That is a failed logic. There are more deer in the state herd than licenses sold and we only take around 20% of the total herd including does and the bucks harvested are bucks of all ages, nit just one year class. There are always small ones left over to grow up for the next year.

Your perspective which IMO is failed logic - "yes" define # of small ones left. Most seasoned DNR specialists / wildlife biologists would beg to differ. Sure there always will be ones to survive, that's a given. But many of the guys looking for a deer of a lifetime will do a hunt like areas around the BWCA, and will take their chances of tagging a mature animal. Reason being, no hunting pressure and albeit deer numbers are typically less than 5-7 per square mile. Many areas in Central MN have way more potential than this but they'll never reach it without limiting the "take" by the orange army.

[lakevet]

I believe the Faribault city hunt is in an area that doesn't typically allow hunting to reduce deer population.

[Jameson]

That is a failed logic. There are more deer in the state herd than licenses sold and we only take around 20% of the total herd including does and the bucks harvested are bucks of all ages, nit just one year class. There are always small ones left over to grow up for the next year.

Or another way to think about it, following your logic we don't need a doe lottery. But we do. We used to not have one, and the DNR was forced to shutdown the hunting in the entire state.

That was 50 or however many years ago.

You are correct in one aspect, with the doe lottery it protects the buck fawns, and they are protected to grow up for a year, one whole year.

[Jameson]

I believe the Faribault city hunt is in an area that doesn't typically allow hunting to reduce deer population.

That is what I thought at first, but after looking into it I'm not so sure. When they do a winter survey and reach 150 deer they have a hunt. They are allowing 25 hunters. For the first time this hunt will be archery only. With it being archery only I would think 25 deer killed would be a high estimate, and 15 doe might be about right. I just don't see taking 15 doe having that big of an impact.

Just another trophy archery hunt me thinks. We'll see if they make it earn-a-buck or antlerless only.

[SmellEsox]

Purple Floyd, take my zone 221 for example. Pre-fawn population is usually in the 10-12 per sq mi range. There are 7.8 firearm hunters per sq mi. That doesn't include muzzy and archers. So maybe total it is around 10 hunters per sq mi. Each hunter can buy 5 tags, so there are potentially 50 tags per sq mi. That is probably at least 2-3 tags per deer per sq mi. The odds ain't good for a deer to make it much past 2.5 years old. I don't care what sex it is.

[MUSKY18]

Look at the deer density for down south tho. Where you have 10-12 per square mile, they are at about 3-8 depending. Thats even worse odds for the deer.

[mntatonka]

Purple Floyd, take my zone 221 for example. Pre-fawn population is usually in the 10-12 per sq mi range. There are 7.8 firearm hunters per sq mi. That doesn't include muzzy and archers. So maybe total it is around 10 hunters per sq mi. Each hunter can buy 5 tags, so there are potentially 50 tags per sq mi. That is probably at least 2-3 tags per deer per sq mi. The odds ain't good for a deer to make it much past 2.5 years old. I don't care what sex it is.

The average number of deer taken per hunter in areas with 5 tags is only around 1.8. There are very few people that actually buy all 5 tags, let alone actually use them

[Jameson]

...The average number of deer taken per hunter in areas with 5 tags is only around 1.8. There are very few people that actually buy all 5 tags, let alone actually use them

Where did you get 1.8 from? Lcornice broke it down for us a few years back. I'm sure I'm remembering it not quite right, but I thought is was something like .6 deer per hunter in Intensive, .5 managed, .3 lottery = 200,00 dead deer with 500,000 hunters in the state. Please correct me if I'm wrong, just pulling those numbers from memory.