Considering an AR style gun

[bloc004]

I would feel just as concerned walking up on a semi auto shot gun as i would a black gun, just my opinion.

[pureinsanity]

I do not remember, maybe it was a news cast?

I do know that Jim Zumbo who use to write on a blog for Outdoor life wrote a blog about black rifles which caused a big controversy with hunters and shooters. Than Dennis Anderson wrote some mindless junk trying to get attention on himself by talking about black rifles too.

I have nothing against them, to me they are a pleasure guns, made for looks and shooting targets.

If I owned one, id probably use it. But to me id rather pay less money for regular rifle and have just as much fun

[Loose]

I feel sorry for any CO walking up to anyone using a "black rifle" as they call them.

I read an article a while back about the assault style rifles used for deer hunting. Ill stick to the modern rifles so I do not get a gun pulled on me and a CO doesn't feel so scared to walk up to you.

that's just my opinion. I think assault style rifles should be left for target shooting.

Why would a CO be more concerned over a ar style rifle than a shotgun or a more traditional hunting rifle?

[RumRiverRat]

My ARs have not assaulted anyone..........are they defective?

[RumRiverRat]

I have nothing against them, to me they are a pleasure guns, made for looks and shooting targets.

I read an article a while back about the assault style rifles used for deer hunting. Ill stick to the modern rifles so I do not get a gun pulled on me and a CO doesn't feel so scared to walk up to you.

What is more modern than an AR-15 or AR-10?

Why would you get a gun pulled on you if you are using an AR for Deer Hunting?

The AR-15 is based on the M-16. I do believe that gun was designed to do more that shoot targets.

The AR platform is the most versatile platform out there.

With an AR in the right caliber I can kill virtually every big game animal in North America.

[RumRiverRat]

If you ask them if its doesn't say colt or isn't 100% mil-spec it is junk.

They are right on Both issues.

[bloc004]

My spikes tactical 5.56 upper will be here in a couple weeks...can't wait!

[pureinsanity]

Why would a CO be more concerned over a ar style rifle than a shotgun or a more traditional hunting rifle?

I am not saying a co shouldn't be scared of a shotgun or a traditional, bolt action rifle.

But most clip sizes on the assault rifles are rather large compared to traditional. Look at the Wisconsin shooting with the st paul guy using his SKS to mow down 8 people killing two and he came out with out a scratch.

[pureinsanity]

im not saying I frown upon them, I just wouldn't use one for hunting unless I owned one. They are labeled bad because of well, war, streets, ect. If they were just labeled for hunting there would never be a controversy.

Settle im not taking any sides, just stating my opinion and stories ive heard

[Loose]

They are right on Both issues.

Yea for the military, 90% of the domestic use will never wear out a non chrome lined barrel, ect

[RumRiverRat]

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Yea for the military, 90% of the domestic use will never wear out a non chrome lined barrel, ect

Chrome Lined Bores and chambers are easier to clean.

Properly staked gas keys are important.

[RumRiverRat]

My spikes tactical 5.56 upper will be here in a couple weeks...can't wait!

Spikes Tactical are good people.

You will be very happy!

[HooknHorns]

How hard would it be if a guy with some mechanical ability put an ar-15 together from parts. Stripped lower, like what Bloc ordered, and the parts kit plus the upper and barrel seems cheaper than buyin a rifle all together. Was wondering if anyone has built one and what cost they had into it? Can you buy a complete upper and a different brand complete lower, snap them together and go shooting?

[picksbigwagon]

I have never done it but yes there is a lot of online information for building youy own lowers, and then you can put any AR15 upper on it.

[Farley]

Yes you can do that. You can even order a 80% complete lower and finsih the machining yourself with a drill press and a fixture that you also buy. Google "CNC gunsmithing" then look under the tooling tab.

[IL Res]

How hard would it be if a guy with some mechanical ability put an ar-15 together from parts. Stripped lower, like what Bloc ordered, and the parts kit plus the upper and barrel seems cheaper than buyin a rifle all together. Was wondering if anyone has built one and what cost they had into it? Can you buy a complete upper and a different brand complete lower, snap them together and go shooting?

I put together a AR-15 .223 Wylde for my daughter w/ ArmaLite lower and White Oak upper [ match grade ] for $1100.00. I had budgeted $1500 originally, so we opted to upgrade to a Geissle trigger as well. She uses it for CMP High Power competitions and did exceptionally well at Camp Perry Ohio last summer. The only thing I didn't care for was that the match grade barrel is extremely heavy compared to a standard, off-the-shelf AR. I've heard alot of good things about the Panther DPMS product lines from St. Cloud as well.

[bloc004]

I have ordered everything Spikes Tactical except for the Daniel Defense lower parts kit, i got an extra magpul magazine to match my OD Green "furniture". It was not hard at all to put the lower together. All said and done I will have about $1000 into it. Now I will still need to get optics for it, and i will probably upgrade the trigger, but $1000 is a good ballpark. You can definately do it cheaper (about $150 or so), just depends on what you are looking for.

[nonteepical]

i put mine together last year and it's easy, theres only one spring and detent that can be tricky i couldn't find a set of punches and used a finish nail to put it together, never made a scratch. i got about $1300 in mine but i already had a scope, now am looking to upgrade the scope to maybe the nikon223.

[troutkingmaster]

I know this topic has been dead for a while but I am too amped not to share...I just ordered everything for my first AR build using a Del-ton Industries kit (includes everything except the stripped lower) and an Ardel Engineering (out of New Hope, MN) stripped lower for 600 bucks total. Includes everything except a rear sight. If you are not picky about buying from a "top tier" manufacturer, you can get by much cheaper than stated above. I figured my first build will be just a plinker so I took a chance and went the budget route after doing many hours of research. I'll post pics on Monday when everything is in and put together and a range report Tuesday or Wed. since it should be 40 degrees!

[DitchPickle13]

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Mike Milli in the brained area is who you need to talk to. His business is calledDedicated technologies and he is a moderator on other webpages, by the name of Dtech. Get a hold of him and talk with him, he will get you pointed in the right direction. In the ar format, the caliber offering is ever expanding. Keep in mind that the ar15's will shoot the shorter cases like 223 and the wssm's while the AR10's will offer more of the standard calibers like243 and 308 to name a few. Look into the 6.8Spc as well. You can't inter change AR 15 and AR 10 uppers, so if you want to have a 223 upper for plinking or coyotes and fox, you will be looking at the AR15

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I bought an upper from him a few years ago chambered in .243WSSM and have been very pleased with it. That'll more than cover your 300 yard range requirement and much further if you want. Leupold's custom shop will make custom turrets(specifically calibrated to any specific load) for a Leupold scope for $150, so you can get a Leupold w/M1 turrets and get greatly extended range without having to spend $1100-1200 on a Mark 4 scope.

[bloc004]

My upper finally came, ran some rounds through it on Sat.

Just need to put some optics on it!!

[cbrooks]

Very nice

[pureinsanity]

What would you guys say is the cheapest decent setup a guy could have. Just for target shooting?

[picksbigwagon]

A factory Olympic Arms K8 (bull barrel, stainless) will run you about 750 if you shop around. Optics and a mount will run you ??????? (shoot the moon if you want to) that should get you started. Mine shoots really small groups (smallest 3 shot group was under .3" at 100 yds.) as long as I do my job as a shooter........

[HooknHorns]

Nice job Bloc! I want one in the worst way but, the wife has other plans for my money.

[troutkingmaster]

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What would you guys say is the cheapest decent setup a guy could have. Just for target shooting?

If you have any mechanical aptitude, you can build one quite a bit cheaper than you can buy fully assembled. I bought a stripped lower receiver for 95 bucks from a local gun shop and bought a rifle kit, that included everything needed to complete the lower for 499 online (M4 style, 1:7 twist chrome lined barrel from Del-ton Industries). The beauty of doing this is that I only paid 7 dollars sales tax (for the stripped lower) for the whole thing! Assembly only required a 5 dollar stock wrench and about an hours time. ar15 dot com has all the info you could possibly want.

All said and done:

Rifle kit 500

Stripped lower 100

Rear Flip up sight - 60

Vortex strikefire red dot 150

[nonteepical]

the color is a little off but it's black and green,my build last year. they could make it a merit badge for cub scouts it's that easy to assemble, only one spring and detent that can be tricky. assembled mine with a framing hammer and a finish nail.LOL!

[huntnfish]

I've got my AR on the way. I had my brother whose a gunsmith build it. Its all Rock River with a 20" Stag arms barrel. He said the only thing I'll need to do is figure out what I want for sights on it. I'm leaning towards spending some cash and getting a very good variable power scope but I keep thinking that maybe a holographic would be the way to go. Anyone have any suggestions? I don't really plan on hunting anything with it other than maybe some coyotes here and there.

[TooTallTom]

I guess it just really depends on how you plan on commonly using your firearm. Magnification is very helpful for precise aiming at greater distances. A reflex sight is better for quick target acquisition at short distances. You might just stop into a big box sporting goods retailer at look at the options available all at once in order to see how they compare. Keep in mind your expected use when comparing strengths/ weaknesses.

I'm usually a pretty big proponent of the smaller, local stores. But I recommended a big box place so that you can get a long field of view through the optic. Don't just look at the wall behind the counter, turn around, maybe put things of different colors (Do they have anything coyote-colored for you to scope out?) behind the reticle and see what the contrast looks like to you. And keep in mind what you plan on using the optic for when fooling around with it.

[HNTNBUX]

A good coverall would be a Burris XTR 1x4. It has an illuminated reticle and can still fullfill the medium distance ranges without covering the whole target.