Why change party hunting laws?

[MOSSY]

BUT WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU CAN'T SHOOT DOES RIPPINLIPS

THEN THAT SMALL BUCK OR TWO SURE LOOKS GOOD FOR THE FAMILY

THEY MAY BE THE ONLY DEER WE SEE ALL YEAR

[Bear55]

We are talking about party hunting for bucks only, no one is saying you can't shoot the first small buck you see, but once you pull the trigger on a buck you are done buck hunting for the season. Its really not that big of a sacrifice, even in lotto area most groups should draw at least one doe permit so you can still party hunt for does.

And I also hunt the bigwood up by Effie, yes the woods are thick but if you do some scouting and hunt hard its not too difficult to give yourself multiple opportunies every year.

[archerystud]

BUT WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU CAN'T SHOOT DOES RIPPINLIPS

THEN THAT SMALL BUCK OR TWO SURE LOOKS GOOD FOR THE FAMILY

THEY MAY BE THE ONLY DEER WE SEE ALL YEAR

personally, i turn my "caps lock" off.

[BuckKiller]

I don't really see a differance if I shoot it or if someone else in my party does.

[DaveT]

You don't see the difference because 1: You have plenty of deer in your area. 2: You don't care if the buck has 2 points or 10. 3: You have private land and can control the amount of hunters.

If you only saw 1 buck during an average season and your neighbor shot 5 bucks this year and you didn't see any you would see the difference.

If you were on your 3rd, 5th or 10th year of passing up little bucks waiting for a big one while your neighbor was shooting 5 little bucks every year, you would see the difference.

If you were hunting public land and the guy 1 ridge over shot 5 bucks while you didn't see any, you would see the difference.

Everybody who buys a license deserves the opportunity to fill it. There is a finite number of bucks in every woods, when a buck dies, he can never die again. When 1 person fills 5 tags, his party may be happy, but somebody else's party has been deprived of their opportunity. Everybody should hunt and kill their own deer, if members of your party would rather drink and sleep in camp, then their tag should go unused so that the hunter who does want to kill his own deer by hunting for it, can.

[Big Dave2]

Jealousy of your neighbors will get you nowhere.

[NoWiser]

I don't think any QDM guys are "jealous" of their neighbors who shoot multiple small bucks. I'm pretty sure what DaveT was voicing was the opinion that just because an individual has the OPPORTUNITY to shoot multiple small bucks doesn't mean they should have the RIGHT to do it. Just because a deer is on your land or in your scope doesn't mean you own it. They are all OUR deer, and when you shoot a buck you eliminate the opportunity for someone else (who has just as much of a right to that buck as you) to harvest him.

[Rippinlip]

If you are in a hot stand and shoot a buck, and are seeing more, give it to someone else in your party so they can shot a buck, like it has been said for a long time in this thread, we are not against party hunting in general. Just against party hunting or "cross tagging" for bucks only.

I was in the middle early in this thread, but thanks to some good writing and alot of thought, I have officially jumped the fence to the 1 buck per year per hunter side.....

Later

Mark

[Bear55]

Glad to have you aboard Rippinlip. A few guys I hunt with weren't sure about no party hunting for bucks either, and these are QDM guys but when I told them the benefits things started to make sense.

[lakevet]

Or reduce the size of your party. If your property can't support 10 hunters, how can it support 10 bucks?

Dave T

Who do we kick out of the group. My 78 yr old Dad? The 92 yr old uncle who has hunted the property all his life? No that won't work, because we all have hunted there all our lives. My cousins? Maybe my young niece? No I got it, if you're not a blood relative then you're out! Then the guy who got the organ transplant can be out. He just related by marriage. Or maybe don't let anyone new in. Too bad for my youngest sons, but the oldest one got in under the wire. Maybe they should kick me out!

In our group it's family first, big bucks second. It is a great way to continue the hunting tradition. It has been that way for over 100 yrs and many generations, and it is not going to change. Just our groups opinion.

lakevet

[Bowfin]

Question:

How many of you hunt multiple seasons (i.e. bow, gun, muzzy)?

Currently you can only tag 1 buck per year (regardless of weapon).

If you shoot a a buck during the bow season, right now you must party hunt to shoot a buck the rest of the year with any weapon. What would you do quit hunting for the year or just hunt does? I think many would have a hard time passing on a second trophy deer in December if they already filled their buck tag in September.

[walleye365]

theres 4 in our party and yes iv shot four deer in one year filled all the tags we hunt for meat not antlers. we hunt private and public land. i dont sit in a stand much bow or rifle i hunt them weather its tracking or spot and stock acually work for your deer its more rewarding when you do get one. im sure some of you do hunt this way so you know what i mean. hunting has become so lazy with all the nice stands,calls,sents,and for some of you baiting.iv shot alot of deer and have had some great hunts,but the best hunt would of been this last season when i got on a track that took me 3 miles just to see this deer standing 200 yards out in a swamp and with 35rem open sites i didnt shoot at him he won.just like when the guy over the next ridge shoots 1,2,3,4,5 deer bucks or does and has the tags to put on them and all of his party is afield then he won and was better than you that day. why get [PoorWordUsage] about it become a better hunter. i say no change

[96trigger]

I bowhunt all fall looking for that trophy buck in a lottery area on public land, I put in a ton of time. I then hunt the 3B season for firearm and bought a muzzle loader last year. During the bow season, I am pretty much a trophy hunter, during the 3B season I am a meat hunter on a small 40 of private land in an intensive harvest area, during the muzzleloader I am both if I have not already gotten a nice buck. I would have NO PROBLEM passing on a trophy buck if I had already gotten one, and I can tell you that the odds of that happening with a firearm for me are slim to none. I have hunted 3B ever since I started deer hunting 20 years ago, it is a family thing and we try and fill the freezer. In 20 years of hunting I can count on 2 fingers, the number of trophy bucks I saw during that season. During the bow season, I get a shot at one at least once a year. ML is new and I don't know what to think of it yet. Last year, it was bitterly cold, and I only saw a couple of deer. I love being outdoors, no way would I quit hunting, I would be happy shooting a few does and being with my family. It would be a great problem to have if I got a trophy buck during bow season and was only able to shoot does. Seeing a trophy buck in 3B for me is very, very rare. Might change if some type of management is enforced.

[Big Dave2]

I don't think any QDM guys are "jealous" of their neighbors who shoot multiple small bucks. I'm pretty sure what DaveT was voicing was the opinion that just because an individual has the OPPORTUNITY to shoot multiple small bucks doesn't mean they should have the RIGHT to do it. Just because a deer is on your land or in your scope doesn't mean you own it. They are all OUR deer, and when you shoot a buck you eliminate the opportunity for someone else (who has just as much of a right to that buck as you) to harvest him.

So, basically what you are saying is we should spread the wealth?

Socialist deer hunting. Now I've heard it all!

[96trigger]

One final thought, I worked hard for my trophy. I was pretty confident that it wasn't going to happen during 3B. I know Minnesota has them, they are their, I see them every fall during the Bow season. I also see a pile of small bucks every fall, it would be nice if they could reach a semi-mature age. During the 3B season, they are the only ones left (and are few) that I generally see, and I pass on them.

[NoWiser]

Socialist deer hunting. Now I've heard it all!

If thats what you want to call it, I'm fine with that. An intelligent response explaining why you think some people should have more right to a deer than others would be more beneficial to this discussion, and more likely to persuade me to see things from your point of view, though.

[Jameson]

I don't hunt the 3 zone, so please correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't the 3A season the "buck" season and 3B season the "doe" season? If what you are talking about is hunting big bucks shouldn't you be hunting the 3A season?

[chub]

Originally Posted By: NoWiserI don't think any QDM guys are "jealous" of their neighbors who shoot multiple small bucks. I'm pretty sure what DaveT was voicing was the opinion that just because an individual has the OPPORTUNITY to shoot multiple small bucks doesn't mean they should have the RIGHT to do it. Just because a deer is on your land or in your scope doesn't mean you own it. They are all OUR deer, and when you shoot a buck you eliminate the opportunity for someone else (who has just as much of a right to that buck as you) to harvest him.

So the same would apply then if you were a land owner, set up the "ultimate" habitat, practiced sound management, and had most of the deer in the immediate area feeding, bedding and in effect, never leaving your property. Now poor Joe the neighbooring landowner, gets to peer over the fence from his stand at all the animals that he has no chance at, on your property.

After all, they're "OUR" deer... . Poor old Joe should have just as much right to one of them....

Sportsman are a funny breed. Everyone else is pretty much always wrong on the way they do things, or the way they want things. Your way is the best. Guess I'm no different. If the majority of hunters wanted rule changes, and the game managers agree...... , guess I don't have a problem with it(I might, but I'd go along with it). If party hunting works with the majority, and the DNR doesn't see it as a problem, even though I don't do it, it's fine by me.

Would it be nice to see more aged bucks running around? Sure. But if it comes at the expense of someone elses opportunity, I'd say no. I'm fine with the way things are. I can shoot an eater if I want, or pass and wait for something else.

The way things are, do not infringe on someones experience. Some have said and will say that it infringes on their experience of being able to see or take a "mature" buck... . In some slight offhand way, maybe it does. But those deer are out there(though few) and if your intent on getting one, your still able to persue that avenue. No guarantee it's going to happen, but why should there be?

[96trigger]

I hunt 3B because my family hunts 3B. 3A is considered the first season. If I wanted, I could hunt 3A. That wasn't the point I was making. I was saying that not all the QDM guys are only out to shoot big bucks. I hunt both socially, and for trophy's, I like both. If I could persuade the rest of my group to go 3A, I would. If I could put a force field around all 1.5 year old bucks, I would do that too.

[NoWiser]

Chub,you are right, if neighbor Joe bought a license he has just as much right to shoot those deer. Unfortunately for him, he probably won't have that chance if his land isn't as attractive to the them. I guess that is kind of off topic, though.

That was a good post and I can't argue with anything you said.

I don't really believe there is a "right" and "wrong" in this argument (party hunting for bucks), just opinions. I've voiced mine. Time to quit thinking about deer and start thinking abour late-ice crappies...

[Big Dave2]

Originally Posted By: Big Dave2

Socialist deer hunting. Now I've heard it all!

If thats what you want to call it, I'm fine with that. An intelligent response explaining why you think some people should have more right to a deer than others would be more beneficial to this discussion, and more likely to persuade me to see things from your point of view, though.

I don't know if this will be intelligent enough for you but..................................................

Everyone with a license has the same right to these deer. I don't think I have anymore right to a deer than you or anyone else. I also don't think that YOU have anymore right to these deer than me.

I think that if I am hunting in a party of 3 hunters, we have every right to tag 3 deer if we have the opportunity to do so. We don't want more than that.

[Bear55]

Ok I have a plan, lets draw a line down the middle of the state, QDMers on one side and the meat hunters on the other. Meat hunters we will even let you pick which half of the state you want. Everyone wins!

The only question is how long before many of the meat hunters line up begging to get into the QDM territory once they see photos from across the border?

I am aware that this proposal is not possible in the real world but it sure would be fun.

[Bowfin]

Ok I have a plan, lets draw a line down the middle of the state, QDMers on one side and the meat hunters on the other. Meat hunters we will even let you pick which half of the state you want.

OK - us meat hunters will take the east half of the state (as long as Itasca and Crow wing counties are included in the eastern part.

[Bear55]

Works for me.

[Jameson]

Ok I have a plan, lets draw a line down the middle of the state, QDMers on one side and the meat hunters on the other. Meat hunters we will even let you pick which half of the state you want. Everyone wins!

The only question is how long before many of the meat hunters line up begging to get into the QDM territory once they see photos from across the border?

I am aware that this proposal is not possible in the real world but it sure would be fun.

Rumor, strictly rumor, is that peeps are working on anything below the "rifle" line to become Antler Restriction. Rumor, just a rumor.

[96trigger]

I really hope that is a rumor. I am below the rifle line, I firmly believe that some sort of QDM will happen down here, but I am hoping it is something other than antler restrictions. Of course, if they extend the 3A season like they would like, I would be more in favor of it.

[chub]

Rumor, strictly rumor, is that peeps are working on anything below the "rifle" line to become Antler Restriction. Rumor, just a rumor.

That would work out well in 282-283 type areas...... LMAO

[Black_Bay]

Read the March 13th Outdoor News. There is a Q and A with Lou Cornicelli. He talks about AR, party hunting ect. It gives some insight to what the DNR is thinking right now. He also talks about another hunter survey.

[Bear55]

Black Bay any chance you can elaborate for those of us who don't subscribe?

[B. Amish]

Is there an electronic version of that article or is it online anywhere? Anyone want to scan and post it?