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lilwalter

Just checked on the the results thus far. Seelhoff had quite the first day--4 fish--19.58!! Anybody go to weigh in? Curious how many fish these guys are putting in the boat to get their fish.

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DJH

Was out fishing Thursday morning near 9mile flat, I counted aleast 25 tourny boats trolling cranks in the same area. I heard the Leader of day 1 had 2 over 28" trollong cranks also.

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Mark13:33

I was just wondering, does anyone know the ruling on why there is no upgrading in this tournament? Is it due to the fact we're in the month of August and a fishes survival rate is much lower than that of a fish in June? The Ottertail PWT was an upgradable event and the state allows upgrading until a posession limit is reached. I'm sure if upgrading were allowed all of those teams with less than four fish would have been fine. Don't get me wrong I like the strategy involved but as a tournament angler would like to upgrade!

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eyesoneyes

By state law you are not allowed to cull or upgrade fish in your live under any circumstance. Once a fish is placed in the live well it cannot be released. So does the PWT break state laws often?

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wildirishrose

Mark 13 does not mention culling in his post. Upgrading in a tournament, like Mark is talking about means having say a 4 fish limit to weigh but you can have 5 fish in the box or a 6 fish limit with 8 in the boat. The PWT is not breaking any laws.

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bubs

I think the limit is four on milac's this year. so no upgrading, but I don't fish it for walleys any more.

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Mark13:33

eyesoneyes you are incorrect on this issue. You are allowed to upgrade until a posession limit is maintained. I fish many tournaments and have been in contact with the DNR directly on this issue. This is a very misinterprated rule across the state. I'm not trying to sound harsh about the issue and understand the four fish limit being set as this was the case on Ottertail as well where the limit is six. On Ottertail however everyone weighed in at the end while I noticed teams in this particular tourney weighing in early putting them at a disadvantage for being successful.

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eyesoneyes

Mark:1313 There must be confusion at the DNR. I called the DNR enforcement division after reading your post this morning. They stated once a fish is put in the live well it cannot be returned to the lake. I believe this has been the law for many years.

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Dano_the_jigasaurus

The livewell rule exists except in a tournament situation, then these fish are to be returned to the lake. The livewell is just a means to keep the fish alive until weigh in, when they will be returned to the lake. There are slight variations to rules for the general public and rules for fishing tournaments.

dan

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Mark13:33

Thanks Steve, that's about as good of an answer I could get!

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lilwalter

Hi-jacked!!!

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castmaster

can someone explain why tournaments are allowed to have rules different from what the rest of us must abide by? these people are already profiting off a PUBLIC resource, and then they get special treatment as well? talk about WRONG!!

i have to say it is nice to see the rules getting a bit more stringent after the findings of the release studies at pwt events and delayed mortality.

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river rat316

boy your gonna make friends fast..... SO what your saying is noone would be catching fish or advancing the sport if it wasn't for you tournament anglers? Give me a break... get off your high horse.... Thats about the most condesending, and cocky statement I have ever read on FM..... Have a good one confused.gif

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whippingpost

I prefished the tournament with some of the pros last weekend. All I can say is, boy those guys can fish! But I hope they can come back to Mille Lacs during a better time of the year. I think even those guys were having a hard time putting slot fish in the boat. It says something when over half of the 60 entries couldn't even bring in a limit of walleyes. Why not bring them in May or June?

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eyesoneyes

I contacted Michael Hamm the Director of Enforcement. He holds the highest post in the Enforcement Division. According to Mr. Hamm once you put a fish in your live well it counts towards your limit. If your are on Mille Lacs and come in with a limit of Walleyes in your live well and release them because you don’t feel like cleaning them, then you have caught your limit for the day and are not allowed to keep any more Walleyes.

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Guest

I also contacted DNR. Same ruling once in posession you can not replace with another fish. I also asked if you could continue to fish walleye with your limit in the boat.

Was told you can continue fishing for walleyes(in season)as long as you dont replace any in live well.

LCA

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Vickie

Mille Lacs is a No cull, No Sort lake -- yes, that means that once you decide to put a fish in the livewell, it is your fish. And once you reach your possession limit - which is 4 per person - you are done fishing. Either the PWT or the DNR tournament permit TIGHTENED the regulation and only allowed 4 fish (per 2 anglers ) to be in the boat. Once they had 4 they were finished fishing for the day. There are lakes in MN where you can cull, however Mille Lacs is not one of them.

Tournament rules are USUALLY stricter then the rules for those of us that are just out fishing for the day. Not sure why Dano thought/thinks tournament anglers don't have to follow the rules confused.gif

We fish the Minnesota Tournament Trail - which allows us to weigh 6 fish (per team of 2 people) but we can have 8 in the boat. Again once you make the decision to put that last fish in the livewell you are done. The scales are open all day - knowing that some of the teams will come in early with therir fish.

Good fishing to everyone.

Vickie

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aanderud

Vickie -- You're wrong about the "done" statement. When you have 4 in the well you can continue fishing catch and release, because you are no longer reducing any 'eyes to possession (possession means you failed to immediately release the fish -- you put it in a bucket, livewell, stringer, etc). In a tournament, obviously you're going to be "done" at that point, because you're no longer going to move up in the standings with catch and release -- but recreational fisherman can continue to catch and release with their limit in the well. That's what the previous poster was saying and he was correct. Catch and immediate release of fish is only illegal if targeting a fish during a closed season or without proper license for targeted species (trout, for instance).

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vaneeck

I think half you guys are wrong, if you have a tournement with two anglers in a boat these two anglers are allowed 4 fish each on milacs (of the right sizes or course) during the fishing the anglers might put 6 fish in the livewell and then when weigh-in occurs they weigh their biggest 4 fish!

unless the pwt had a specific rule saying the anglers are only allowed to have 4 fish in their livewell at any point I would think the above would apply.

Most tournements I've fished have been ruled the first way not the second.

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Koldfront Kraig

PWT Superpro rules were 4 fish per day per boat total. 4 fish total for two guys, not 4 each.

Once it's in the livewell it can't be replaced with a bigger fish.

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STMA_I_HUNTER

smile.gifBoy you're smart!

How did the guy that you prefished with end up?

Have not seen the results.

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castmaster

i'd like to know why the post that pointed out the different rules that these tourneys are allowed to go by was deleted? seems a little "fishy" to me!! confused.gif

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PerchJerker

Personally I've never heard of a tournament that didn't have rules that were tighter and more restrictive than state or lake-specific regulations. The pwt rules on mille lacs were tighter than the lake-specific regulations.

The guy that posted the rules deleted the posts himself. If you read his published print columns and articles you will find that he is forever whining about the advances in fishing and technology, and how the spots he used to have to himself are now covered with boats -- he was whining about that in his posts here -- and he's whining about them now on another board. I agree completely with what river rat316 said to the guy. My opinion is he doesn't like getting debated on it in an open forum.

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