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outdoor ran

Last year I made a mast thats 7ft high and some boards. I put 200lb mast line on it and I was having problems with the line hitting the water and pulling the boards way back. I'm not sure how far back the boards should go. Could my line be to heavy. They seem to run good on calm days but not on a choppy day.

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Tom Linderholm

Outdoor Ran,

First of all what speed do you normally run? I run a mast with single boards and they come along just fine at 1.7 mph, when you get down to 1.1 they do tend to drag. I would experiment with the amount of line you are putting out also. It is natural for your line to be in the water mine is about the last 4 feet of line is usually under water. My line is 135#.

How much of your line is in the water?

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Surface Tension

Could be a few things going on. 200# main line seems like a lot and it could be creating a lot of belly. You said you made your boards and we'll start there. Single, double, dimensions and angles? Have you moved the location of the anchor point. A good planner board should be able to run 150' without any problems. How far out are you running your boards? How many lines and how much weight are you running.

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outdoor ran

I troll right around 2mph and it seems I get about a section right in the middle that dips in the water on choppy days. I'm fine if I just run them out a little bit but if I try to get out there at all its a problem. I think I have about 150ft of line on each side. My boards are a double blade. I just copied a pattern off of another guys board. I just run stick baits but I can't 3 lines on each side without drag. My mast is on the very tip of the boat 7ft up. There cut at an angle with a 45 degeree cut. The other problem is I use larvick releases and its a job just getting them down to where I want them. Should I wet them before clipping them on. I'll try to take a picture of the boards and post them.

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Tom Linderholm

Sounds to me that your boards might be running too fast? Can you adjust your boards or put a fin on them that would make the boards pull away from the boat so that there is always tension. That would solve both your release and your dragging problem.

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outdoor ran

Here's a picture of one of the boards. If you see something wrong, please let me know.

board1.jpg

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Surface Tension

The angle on the planning edge is only 45 degrees. If you make it sharper that angle you'll increase the surface area thats in contact with the water. That'll apply more outward pressure which is going to push the boards away from the boat.

After your done with that add lead ballast to the bottom of the outside board, it'll stabilize the board better in rough water and it'll make your boards dig in a bit more and

pull harder. Also experiment with the placement of your eye screw but the first thing to do is sharpen that angle.

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chunkytrout

ST, would you increase the cut angle as well as the entry angle?

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Surface Tension

Chunk, both angles increase the planing surface exposed to the water but the knife edge is the most critical because you can easily double or even triple that areas surface by increasing the angle.

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End of the Line

The other thing that may help is using some kind of shock absorber on rough days. Either inline snubber or a pulley/bungy cord set-up. This tends to keep the boards in the water a little more and more consistant in speed. But I agree with the other stuff to check that out first.

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Shiner_Muncher

I tink, if ya harnessed up Shoguns, catch, and attached dem to der outside board, dem lil buggers wood try to swim ta shore,dus pulling yer wood farther from da boat. blush.gif

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moderation

Until you said something about the angle from the top of the board to the bottom I never thought about the increased surface.

I run single boards that I made many years ago, 1“ redwood with ¾” steel stock for a weight.

I usually have trouble trying to run them out a long way so I ended up putting a aluminum keel on the back of the board. It has worked pretty good, but now I may try to cut the board more like the doubles and see what happens.

By the way outdoor ran, my cut on the 1” boards goes about 3 - 31/2” towards the back. A 45 degree angle would only be ¾ “, so that could make a big difference in the boards running ability.

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outdoor ran

Thanks for the advice guys, I'm going to do some tinkering on them.

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chunkytrout

EOL, snubber between the mast and boards? Good idea, hadn't seen that before. Same type snubber used between a dipsy and main line?

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lotalota

It looks like a dipsy snubber but it is a little longer, has a sturdier snap on each end, and a stopper line running down the middle to limit extension. I run them at the board rather than at the boat. The guys at Marine General can hook you up. I fish Laurvick releases on my fixed boards and adding the shock snubbers to the mix made a HUGE difference in the number of chop related releases. It also helps the boards run in bigger waves without skipping out. I run the single blade boards that are custom made by a local guy. They are available at Marine General too and they are fantastic. They never skip out of the water and they run darn near even with my boat. I know that it is fun to build your own stuff but these things are well developed and simple to use.

Lota Lota...

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Northlander

Ill second that. Those single boards Lota has are simple and store flat. Pull nice as well. The shocker snubs are a great idea or you get all kinds of false releases in waves.

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fishman19

well i make them if u want a new set i will be more than willing to sell u a set that are made good and will run well the one u got there is all messed up

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bwtrout

ST, is this your new self-propelled trolling board? I hear it can runout 400' of line no problem?

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Surface Tension

BW,it just so happens.. grin.gif

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Northlander

Stay off that thing S.T. its a death trap. I can just see you showing up to the outing in a couple casts and a neck brace. grin.gif

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bwtrout

Or worse yet, ST screaming past your boat in a speedo! cool.gif

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Northlander

Bwtrout that was plain old sick dude! Now I cant stop laughing at the visual in my head! Please make it go away!!! grin.gif

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