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PerchJrkr

we fought the law and the law won

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ANYFISH

Berens lake, Let's not make this personal, and I don't really think PerchJrkr was really crying foul, just informing of the risks of crossing over.

We can not complain about the laws just because we got caught. I have never been ticketed although I may have crossed over inadvertantly and know I have while fighting a sturgeon, all in all if I had been ticketed, oh-well I broke the law.

Now, I do think sharing a boarder the reg's should be the same for both sides, as it doesn't help the management of the resource in anyway as fish don't know a boundary. I hope our state and the great province of Ontario can come to some kind of agreement to the reg's, even if we still need to buy a Ontario licence, why not pay for thier part of the resource.

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PerchJrkr

i think some people on here need to check their figures too. where did you get 3 from? and apparently the reason i got 2 dui's is because i have a problem with rules, not because i have any other kind of a problem. im sure everyone that ever got a dui did it just to fly their flag in the face of law enforcement, i bet their intent was to go out and get drunk and drive home, just because its illegal.... also i just read this whole thing top to bottom and i cant figure out where anyone ever got that i was whining. This was merely an informative post for everyone that wonders "what if"...... maybe some of you guys need to slow down a little and read things through before you jump to critisize people.

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Northlander

Berens Lake ON. please do not be making any personel attacks on people. Please take them out of your last post. Not needed here. I also didnt see Perchjkr as whining. To each his own.

Lets keep focused and not attack eachother in here or this will surely be locked up. It does seem to have ran its course already though.

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Perchjrkr

If people think you were whining they need to read a little closer. I thought if anything you were saying "oh well I got a ticket" and wanted to inform others that it is a big fine. In my opinion you seem to have started this topic to inform not whine.

I really think the water should be fish able anywhere on the river. I could see them busting you if you stepped onto Canadian soil and same for the USA. I think the remote pass should only be for waters like LOTW or boundary waters lakes, but the way things are in these situations usually can't be changed.

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skunked_again

All I said was that Perchjkr has a right to whine. I am surprised that you haven't - good for you, I would be. I mean, I think it's a consensus that this law makes no sense and that fines are excessive. I don't see how it's even an argument.

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bigdaddy1968

i think u better change ur name if u are going to prison lol

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Berens Lake ON

You are right I miss counted.

I did not say that alcoholism was a crime, there is no rule against getting drunk(I think the AMA classifies it as an illness). Choosing to drive after getting drunk is the crime.

Northlander- he chose to address his multiple arrests I was just making a correlation due to his past conduct (its not personal).

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Traxxx

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you could run the river, on the canadien side, without a remote border pass, or is that illegal? If it is legal, why do you need the remote border pass anyway if you can drive and cross the so called invisible border at free will anyway? confused.gif

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PerchJrkr

prison?

im pretty sure they dont want you on the canada side without a RBCP at any time. the line is the line.

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Dellfin

So...just a question, I'm certainly not advocating this strategy...

What if you just fired up the outboard and high-tailed it well onto the US side? Would they be able to pursue you across the border? shoot you? Cast a jumbo muskie lure, hook your jacket, and pull you back over?

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PerchJrkr

lol. i have thought about that about a million times in the last week... i dont know. It didnt look like they had guns, but they were wearing some canadian version of ice armor so they mighta been underneath-alot of good it would do em there! it would be intersting to find that out. just burn over across the boarder and stand up on the rod holder and moon em! neener neener neener!

lol! i wasnt gonna test my luck!

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Dellfin

Maybe you could explain that you are a bounty hunter and were chasing a fugitive US walleye that stole your bait.

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Traxxx

Can you legally run the candien side without a remote border pass?

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PerchJrkr

I was told by someone wiser than me to bargain with em, cry, do whatver you can.. LOL the bounty hunter bit may work.

Traxxx- id say no. i am under the impression that we are supposed to stay in the united states at all times

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Traxx

You can not cross the line legally fishing or running the river.

As far as them following you into the USA I believe that they cannot do that, at least every time we get checked I see a bunch of boats hurry up and get to the USA side of the river and I never have seen them follow. I have seen them stop guys right before they cross over though.

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walleye8u

It's a fine line. When I guide in the river it seems like everyone is pushing harder over that line, till that boat comes and then they all come back over. Just like kids, see how far they can go till you get yelled at. Fines are all over the place,$$$ & boats, ect. I just wait for the Canadian walleyes to come to the U.S.

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bigdaddy1968

grass is always greener on the other side

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hanson

I still can't believe this topic is dragging on. \:\(

The simple fact it there is an international border down the "middle" of the river. If you cross over this subjective "middle", you are breaking the law. I can't believe folks still intend to "push" this issue when the issue of "you've come too far" is interpreted by a couple guys in a Canadian enforcement boat. I just can't see why you'd even want to risk it. From a financial standpoint, its not worth it.

The Canadians have their laws, we have our laws. We have to obey them whether you like it or not.

The RBCP is also a great way to cross this line legally. Why not just get the permit if you are worried about the line?

I really don't see a bunch of fisherman enjoying walleye fishing on a river as a matter of national security but the borders have to be protected. I think Dtro mentioned it earlier that we can't have our cake and eat it too. Its funny how the rules should be changed when its all about me, me, me!

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CANOPY SAM

 Originally Posted By: PerchJrkr
thats 3 of us now. i think we could make it at least to winnipeg with that many guys. lol i guess a guy cant be too [PoorWordUsage] though. i spent 600$ to fish in canada for about 6 days is what it boils down to. how much does it cost for a remote border pass, canadian lic., inflated prices in canada, etc. etc.... we caught our biggest fish in canada

I'm sorry, but I'm really smiling at this whole thread. Even laughing at some of these posts. "You might want to change your name if you're going to prison." (PerchJrkr) Now that's funny!

What you've said here leads me to believe you were knowingly on the Canadian side of the river for much of your fishing trip. "I spent $600 to fish in Canada for about 6 days."

On top of that, from what I can make of Royal's writing, it appears as though a friend may have gently been trying to discourage you from this practice over the course of what may have been several days.

I'm glad to see that Royal posted here. There is logic and rationality in what he writes.

Even though they appear senseless, I'm certain there are very good reasons to enforce this law. Although I'm sure we're all infinately wise (in our own eyes), there are definately more intelligent people out there policeing our behavior.

If everyone was allowed to aimlessly meander all over the Rainy River (the border between two different countries) I would imagine that drug trafficing would be rather difficult to control. Rusty, you should be accutely aware of this?

What I think is the most humorous about this thread is that PerchJrkr, you really aren't whining! You're actually comedic about all of this. Almost whimsical. You knew what you were doing and you got caught. It sucks, but it is what it is.

I can only imagine what would happen if you and I were ever in the same boat together. Whenever I see posted land my first thought is, "Great, this means very few people have hunted here!"

It's pretty admirable that you can laugh at yourself this way. The ability to laugh at ourselves and the foolish things we do is what makes life all the more joyful. PerchJrkr, we'll have to get together and see how many laws we can bend some day.

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PerchJrkr

 Originally Posted By: CANOPY SAM
Whenever I see posted land my first thought is, "Great, this means very few people have hunted here!"

LOVE IT. so now theres like 2 people that get it out of the 5,000 people that have looked at this thread. LOL few people have hunted here... thats a riot

the first weekend we were far enough up in the ice that we didnt see any border patrols, but im sure we were marked, as we spent most of our time on the canadian side (as did everyone else up there) i just dont think they were gonna go through 1/4 to 1/2 mile of ice chunks to check 4 boats! The second weekend was different beings we were on open water the whole time.

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CANOPY SAM

We are definately gonna have to hook up! My wallet is usually pretty skinny, and evidently you have no qualms about spending lots and lots of money on fishing trips.

PerchJrkr, you're welcome in my boat anytime!!! It's just a pity that you're "on the wagon". I'm sure I can cure you of that too.

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DKL

Great....... get him drinking and driving again.

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CANOPY SAM

I have a healthy respect for anyone who questions the reason of any decree.

By all regards, this situation appears to have been an attempt to "test" limits. I believe PerchJrkr was likley doing the same thing several other fisherman were already doing all around him.

When his boat was absconded the neighboring boats scurried for safety (the Minnesota side of the "invisable line"). Why? In a threatening ice flow, was he wrong for anchoring, or drifting his boat in the same area as all the other boats in the area? If I were an attorney I might take this tangent.

Is PerchJrkr a hibitual criminal offender because he's been caught a few times doing something he shouldn't? Probably not. Does his decision to knowingly fish on the Canadian side of the river, without a legal license warrant a $600 fine? Well, like he said, "If you play with fire".

I would ask all the readers of this forum to read the Outdoor News "Cuffs and Collars" forum on a weekly basis. This isn't a "plug" for any publication. It's simply a lesson in how too many people behave in semi-secluded, un-policed situations. I've done it myself. Not knowingly, of course!

Perhaps the bigger issue here is what value do we place on "success" as hunters and fishermen? Are fish worth $600? I always chuckle at folks that show up on the Rainy with $57K dollar boats, and I consistently outfish them with my 14 ft. shallow hull Lund and 7.5 horse Merc.

How many nights could I eat walleye fillets, cooked to perfection in the finest restaurants, for $57K?

I'm not tempting PerchJrKr to do anything that the rest of the world doesn't tempt him to do everyday. It's simply a matter of choice. Do we buy into what everyone tells us is right, or do we do what is in our heart and in our stomach?

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The Hammer

Canopy Sam

You have a problem with guys with nice boats? I don't understand that one.

I will admit the boat doesn't make the fisherman, but I'd like to see you out fish some of the guys who fish the PWT in their $57,000.00 boats or even see if you could follow them onto the big water they fish in your 14ft boat.

If you haven't guessed it yet I own one of those boats that you "chuckle" about. If I owned a small boat too would I bring it to the RR, no I prefer to fish in comfort which I paid for.

If you can out fish some guys in their big boats, great good for you.

Next season I'd be more than happy to let you into my boat to see if you can out fish myself or my buddy in my boat that you "chuckle" about.

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CANOPY SAM

Hammer, I think you missed the point. It seems everyone I talk to today is either hung-over and ornery, or overly emotional about last night's Wild loss.

No, I do not have a probelm with people who purchase expensive boats, nor do I have a problem with those boats. I think they are very nice. Would you consider giving me yours?

The point is, what lengths are we willing to go to today to be "successful" hunters, fisherman, or people for that matter? How do we define success? What are we willing to spend, or risk in order to bring home meat, or lovely pictures of fish and game?

Here's an example, albeit you may have to stretch your mind a bit, but it's something to consider none-the-less. I just read this in the newspaper, and I think it's applicable here.

Fifty years ago a young couple was absolutley thrilled to afford a "starter" house that was all of 800 sq. feet. Now, not only would many find that ridiculous, but most would EXPECT that their GARAGE be AT LEAST 800 sq. feet. Do you get the point?

The world (or at least the USA) as we know it has taught us that we should have everything that we desire, and not only that, it should be easy to get it, and [PoorWordUsage] anyone who might say otherwise. We're willing to go to any lengths to lay our hands on what we want, or expect we should have.

Do we really need a 3500 sq. ft. home? Obviously many thought so. Our US economy is now in a shambles because millions of people were lead to believe that money is cheap and you can borrow all you want to buy the things you need. Don't worry about the balloon payments later, you can just "refi" again!Reality has come crashing down, just like the Canadian Border Patrol!

It's parallel to this thread. PerchJrkr originally intended this to be a notice to others to obey the law while fishing, or you may end up paying a very high price. But it speaks very clearly to my point, and that is precisely what I find entertaining.

PerchJrkr, like myself, and many, many others was willing to risk whatever it took to catch a few more fish. To go for all the glory! To have the starter MANSION, and not simply the starter house. To buy the most expensive boat, to go the fastest, to live (and fish) in luxury, and catch the MOST!

Somewhere along the line we've lost touch with what is practical. We're flippantly willing to disregard common sense and do whatever it takes to be, do or have the best, and most.

Hammer, don't get me wrong. I'd enjoy owning a beautiful new boat with all the bells and whistles. But do I need it to catch fish? No. I've spent my time in the tournament realm. Now I fish for the sheer pleasure of it.

Am I dissappointed if I don't catch fish? Sure I am. I love catching fish. Am I willing to flirt with the law to fill my freezer. I'm not going to lie to you - I have been known to "bend" the rules before. Do I think it's morally and ethically wrong? Yes. That temptation to cross over to the other side of the river is always there. Jesus asked, " Is there any among you without sin?"

I'm sorry if I offended you about your boat. I really do wish I had one. I simply can't afford it.

Here is an interesting truth to consider:

The top three reasons why young to middle-aged people in the United States have no money invested in savings.

1) They purchase cars that are far more expensive than they can afford.

2) They take vacations that are far more expensive than they can afford.

3) They buy a boat that is far more expensive than they can afford.

(Insert) - they break the law in an effort to catch more fish.

Or, they repeatedly drive around while intoxicated. Sorry Perch - just ribbing you a little.

By the way, I've caught Salmon and Trout on Lake Superior fishing from my 14 ft. shallow-hull, camo-painted duck boat with 7.5 horse Merc engine. I probably looked kind of funny, but at least I caught some fish.

I'd love to take you up on that offer to fish in your boat Hammer. I'm never very comfortable when I go fishing, but then again, I don't really get out much anymore.

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