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yes. apparently out to 2/3 they just do warnings. i still dont beleive a word he said. he also told us there were 6 crews out working the river that day and they were all dressed in their best, so it wouldnt be hard to pick them out. well we watched all day and saw them coming back, but no other ones.

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Hey PerchJrkr

I think with license, bait and remote pass I had about 60 dollars into the trip every year. Some years I buy a year long license which is a little more. This year my pass was still good from last year, so that saved me about 36 dollars I think.

If you have 2 dwi's or 1 within the last 5 years it is hopeless and you wont be able to get a pass or into Canada.

Even if you have 2 from 20 years ago you can't get in unless you petition the Queen. I heard it is a pain in the arse.

You said you quit drinking for 2 years now. Thats great I know a lot of guys that have anywhere from 4-6 dwi's and they still get wasted and drive all the time.

Hope to see you up next year. It don't sound like the fine discouraged you at all.

I'll be the guy in the front of a maroon and gold Skeeter fishing tight to the Canada side.

Hammer

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No i think you mis-read that. I havent drank since March 1st. I got my last DUI the night before. See now days you cant get away with it like you used to be able to. Another one and im in big trouble and the 4th one in 10 years is a mandatory prison sentence.

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Anyone who is saying that they are tired of whining hasn't been busted. If they go by the "2/3" rule fine, I guess you can argue that that is reasonable, but that is not the law. I haven't been busted personally, but I think PerchJkr or anyone else has the right to whine over $600 for something like fishing on the wrong side of the river. I mean, wake up people, what difference does it make to them that we are on their side of the river? What purpose does that law solve other than give a few people headaches, a little money in the CO's pockets, and keep people from the U.S. worried about slipping a little too far over? If you can justify the rule, then you can tell people not to whine.

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Skunked,

Agree 100%!!! People on the river are FISHING, not illegally immigrating or smuggling things over there, simply fishing.

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he did mention that it could have been worse had we been smuggling things... lol

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ohh ya the guy had kinda of a cute border patrol chick with him.

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Are you supposed to go before a judge and court before anyone can set a price for a fine and conviction? someone should forward this post to a high official in Ontario, and file a complaint in their court system and not have their locals do the due process that belongs in a courtroom. I bet a good attorney can help on this?

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Someone had mentioned about Mexico fishing on the US side. THEY ALL READY ARE..........(did i say that outloud)

Seriously, Is there a way to find out exactly how much the Canadians receive each year from fines of this nature.

Do people fish this during all open water periods and have this problem or it mainly fished for 3-4 weeks after ice out.

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ya pretty sure that officer was the judge jury and executioner. like i said im still baffled where they get their numbers from, and how they can go from 1,500$ to 600$. A good attorney can help on anything for enough money, but 600$ isnt worth it. its gonna cost 6,000$ for the work they would have to put into it. maybe worth it for other people if it brings changes in the system though....

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Like its been said, It is a different country, however they have the same parts as we do and put 1 leg at a time when getting dressed. You would think with all the brain power politicians are to have,one would think they could work out a solution. But we are talking about politicians. I have only been there 1 year and we had liscenses for both sides so we didn't have to worry. In fact never even saw one. This was a few years ago. (7) I think.

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It is all black/white guide lines.

However, I would challenge a "game warden" about "customs and border" crossing.

They are not in that realm of the legal world.

Customs officials take care of customs issues, game wardens are not border patrol.

You should have challenged.

Personaly, I would motor back over to MN side of the river and tell them to "prove it" and have them call US Customs.

I would NEVER let a foreign country try and dictate my freedom.

However, if you did truly cross the border (2/3rds rule isn't legit and fully arguable in court), you would be "double busted" because you are illegally crosing the border into the US, which indeed is a $5k fine. However, any ALCU liberal lawyer could get that thrown out as well, since there are about a bazillion illegals in this border every day.

I got busted a few years back and after a long "debate", we agreed to fishing Ontario waters without a fishing license. We had beer, bait, fish, everything wrong......

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Hey Big G

The border patrols are the ones who hand out fines for going over the line. They were both out giving fines. The game wardens checked our license and didn't ask about a remote border pass. The customs officials asked us for the pass.

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i think these were customs officials, but they asked about rbcp's and licenses and commented on the live bait

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It cost you less to get caught in Canada than it would to get caught on the non-USA side of Upper Red lake... Get over it!

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Berens lake, Let's not make this personal, and I don't really think PerchJrkr was really crying foul, just informing of the risks of crossing over.

We can not complain about the laws just because we got caught. I have never been ticketed although I may have crossed over inadvertantly and know I have while fighting a sturgeon, all in all if I had been ticketed, oh-well I broke the law.

Now, I do think sharing a boarder the reg's should be the same for both sides, as it doesn't help the management of the resource in anyway as fish don't know a boundary. I hope our state and the great province of Ontario can come to some kind of agreement to the reg's, even if we still need to buy a Ontario licence, why not pay for thier part of the resource.

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i think some people on here need to check their figures too. where did you get 3 from? and apparently the reason i got 2 dui's is because i have a problem with rules, not because i have any other kind of a problem. im sure everyone that ever got a dui did it just to fly their flag in the face of law enforcement, i bet their intent was to go out and get drunk and drive home, just because its illegal.... also i just read this whole thing top to bottom and i cant figure out where anyone ever got that i was whining. This was merely an informative post for everyone that wonders "what if"...... maybe some of you guys need to slow down a little and read things through before you jump to critisize people.

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Berens Lake ON. please do not be making any personel attacks on people. Please take them out of your last post. Not needed here. I also didnt see Perchjkr as whining. To each his own.

Lets keep focused and not attack eachother in here or this will surely be locked up. It does seem to have ran its course already though.

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Perchjrkr

If people think you were whining they need to read a little closer. I thought if anything you were saying "oh well I got a ticket" and wanted to inform others that it is a big fine. In my opinion you seem to have started this topic to inform not whine.

I really think the water should be fish able anywhere on the river. I could see them busting you if you stepped onto Canadian soil and same for the USA. I think the remote pass should only be for waters like LOTW or boundary waters lakes, but the way things are in these situations usually can't be changed.

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All I said was that Perchjkr has a right to whine. I am surprised that you haven't - good for you, I would be. I mean, I think it's a consensus that this law makes no sense and that fines are excessive. I don't see how it's even an argument.

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You are right I miss counted.

I did not say that alcoholism was a crime, there is no rule against getting drunk(I think the AMA classifies it as an illness). Choosing to drive after getting drunk is the crime.

Northlander- he chose to address his multiple arrests I was just making a correlation due to his past conduct (its not personal).

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you could run the river, on the canadien side, without a remote border pass, or is that illegal? If it is legal, why do you need the remote border pass anyway if you can drive and cross the so called invisible border at free will anyway? confused.gif

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prison?

im pretty sure they dont want you on the canada side without a RBCP at any time. the line is the line.

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So...just a question, I'm certainly not advocating this strategy...

What if you just fired up the outboard and high-tailed it well onto the US side? Would they be able to pursue you across the border? shoot you? Cast a jumbo muskie lure, hook your jacket, and pull you back over?

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lol. i have thought about that about a million times in the last week... i dont know. It didnt look like they had guns, but they were wearing some canadian version of ice armor so they mighta been underneath-alot of good it would do em there! it would be intersting to find that out. just burn over across the boarder and stand up on the rod holder and moon em! neener neener neener!

lol! i wasnt gonna test my luck!

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Maybe you could explain that you are a bounty hunter and were chasing a fugitive US walleye that stole your bait.

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I was told by someone wiser than me to bargain with em, cry, do whatver you can.. LOL the bounty hunter bit may work.

Traxxx- id say no. i am under the impression that we are supposed to stay in the united states at all times

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Traxx

You can not cross the line legally fishing or running the river.

As far as them following you into the USA I believe that they cannot do that, at least every time we get checked I see a bunch of boats hurry up and get to the USA side of the river and I never have seen them follow. I have seen them stop guys right before they cross over though.

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