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What a S---W job for Babe Winkleman. The guy has done so much for fishing in Mn then to have this happen to him. So much to having a friendly DNR staff then all they have to do is monitor 1(one) radio Freq for two days to catch two people talking. Not sure what went down but what I have read, sounds like the same thing that I do, and I feel that I did nothing wrong. So no matter what ya think of Babe and his fishing show, this was a snow job.>>>later the load

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What happened to Babe?

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Slow down load, you were so mad you forgot to tell us what happened to Mr. Winkelman

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Posted

Babe, his wife and friend got busted for using a FRS radio while deer hunting. The DNR determined they were using the radio as an aid to to take game.

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Good! He probably was! He thinks his Snit dont stink anyway! If he wasnt I apologize but he has to obey rules just like you or I. I dont care who he is or what he has done for fishing! He hasnt done me any favors Ill tell ya that.

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What the DNR heard was a man say that he was going to get the deer up out of their beds and a woman replied that she was in the stand with the gun loaded and ready. Sounds like to me that the radios were being used for the taking of wild game .

I have to agree with Northlander on this . I have friends who have had problems with the BABE during spring crappie fishing in the Brainerd area. After hearing of the problems that they had with him I lost respect for the man . I was supposed to be with these friends on that trip but had to back out for family reasons.

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If he was using and illegal procedure to hunt he should get it the same as anyone else. I don't give a rat's you know what if he is a celebrity or not!!

He needs to live by the same rules as we do, period!!

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Just because Winky is a pro in the spotlight, he is still human and needs to obey the law. Many people look up to people like him and other pros for advice and tips to better their sport.
He isn't the first pro to be caught doing something illegal, such as re hooking fish to get them on the camera again ( witnessed this on the Seagull River about 20 yrs ago and when we were spotted they took off cameras and all like a bat out of helle) Walleye fishing in t shirts when there is still snow on shore looks kinda suspisious also. I say if thats what being a pro is all about? I will stick to the winning prizes and money end of it. I don't really care for or watch much t.v why would I wanna be on one? grin.gifgrin.gif
Stop the Whine and pay the fine!!

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"I say if thats what being a pro is all about? I will stick to the winning prizes and money end of it."

This is the kind of attitude the pees me right off. I fish for relaxation and the fun of it. It's not about money or prizes for me. It's about the sport. I hate tournaments. It takes away from the TRUE anglers. If you want money, GET A JOB. Junky............

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So are you against Pro sports? Thats a job just like pro fishing. Without "Pro" fisherman you wouldnt have your new tackle, rods, reels, boats etc.
Im in it for the fun but if I can have fun and make some $ whats wrong with that?

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I agree with all,but my point Ias trying to make if you read the article was that two DNR personnel wasted two days time and money to collect the fine. If it was not clear enough on the first day to make a case why go back a second day thinking they would break the law. What ever >>>later the load

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"So are you against Pro sports? Thats a job just like pro fishing."

Hell no, I love the Vikes. As far as being a "Pro Fisherman", I believe there is no such being. Putting a bounty on a fish, does not a make a man a pro.

"Without "Pro" fisherman you wouldnt have your new tackle, rods, reels, boats etc."
Hogwash. I'm 43 years old and it wasn't that long ago when there wasn't a such thing as a "Pro Fishermen" when my late Grandmother and Grandfather taught me how to fish. We had rod and reels. Remember the old Zebco 202's? If I remember the reel and rod combo was about 8-10 bucks at Holiday. They bought me several, as I would lose or break them between trips. Bobbers have been around for many, many, years before "Pro Fishermen", catch my biggest Walleyes on them to this day. As far as boats are concerned, you think that the "Pro Fisherman" created them?
Im in it for the fun but if I can have fun and make some $ whats wrong with that?

Out of all due respect North, your values and mine are a little different. Everytime I go fishing I think back to the time when I had to rebait Grams hook with a worm cause she was to skimmish to touch the worm. If I wasn't around to bait the hook she would put on rubber gloves before she would grab the worm. But, because of her love for fishing, she would do anything to get her bait in the water. She was a hell of a woman. Money for fishing? Hell no. Fishing for memories? Priceless. Junky.............


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I fish for relaxion also but

"Hell no, I love the Vikes. As far as being a "Pro Fisherman", I believe there is no such being. Putting a bounty on a fish, does not a make a man a pro."""

I don't watch football or much t.v. so vikes are out, but is there something wrong with covering ones expenses?.

""Hogwash. I'm 43 years old and it wasn't that long ago when there wasn't a such thing as a "Pro Fishermen" when my late Grandmother and Grandfather taught me how to fish."""

I am 40 lived in Duluth all my life and and I can remember all the way back to Rocky Teller a local pro when I was about 6-9 yrs Wally Pease is another old pro from days gone by. smile.gif Wally Pease in the great outdoors lol
And yes some of the best info on rods, tackle, fishing spots have come from pros. Are you still using the 202 and a bare hook?

""Everytime I go fishing I think back to the time when I had to rebait Grams hook with a worm cause she was to skimmish to touch the worm. If I wasn't around to bait the hook she would put on rubber gloves before she would grab the worm. But, because of her love for fishing, she would do anything to get her bait in the water. She was a hell of a woman.

Now that was funny and takes me back some years.
The memories are always there for me on the water or not and I have alot of them also. I spent many summers running the shores of Fish Lake and fishing with my aunt Helen (we actually used to call her granny too though she didn't feel sorry for her bait she hooked it smile.gif.
I don't fish the tourneys like the big pros, though I fish all I can and I try to promote a positive fishing expierence for others.
and if there is a chance to make money or a really nice prize,while helping a good cause? Count me in win or not.. Oh by the way? I do have a full time + job, and fishing is just a full time love. smile.gif A good season is 50% fun and 50% payback to me.

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I fish for relaxion also but is there something wrong with covering the expenses?

Hey Frozen. I'm really not trying to start a riot here, honestly. But what are the expenses of fishing? A liscense that will last a year. Crawlers are free if you willing to go out in your yard and get them. Gas for a small motor is maybe 3-4 gallons tops per trip. Now put a value on a huge Walleye that was caught during a tournament and released and died? I'm not saying that all released fish are going to die. But a big fish takes a long time to get big. What is the price that a man has to pay by taking his children to have some quality time with his children out on the river, just to have them scared to death by boats screaming by within 20 ft? I've fished the river since I've been 18. My math says 25 years. I've seen it all, trust me. NOBODY respects anyone anymore, and that pees me off. Putting a bounty on a fishes head, pess me off. If you need to regain some of your money back, let me know, I'll go out and get your crawlers for nothing. Not trying to be a jerk, but hey, it's fishin', not tryin' to make a buck. That's what the casino's are for. But hey, each his own. Just don't swamp my boat. I take that personal. I slow down for boats. Have the same respect for me. My Grandparents would be rolling in thier graves with the fishing ettiquite and tournaments now days. Like I said, not trying to start a war here, but somethings are sacred to me. Fishing is one of them. Junky.............

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By the way Load. Sorry for taking this off topic. Take care, Junky............

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I am not trying to add fuel to the fire but,

"""I slow down for boats. Have the same respect for me.

That's one of the things that being a pro is all about. Respecting others that are engaging in the same sport
Guess granny taught you well.

As far as expenses?
1 trip to Winnie
1 trip to Mille Lacs
2 trips to Red Lake
1 trip to L.O.T.W.
all for the iceleaders series this winter with logding transportation and food?
About $1100.00 with entertaining friends.
We broke about even which is an excellent year.

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"""I slow down for boats. Have the same respect for me.

That's one of the things that being a pro is all about. Respecting others that are engaging in the same sport
Guess granny taught you well.
If it takes slowing down for fellow fishermen to be a pro, I haven't seen too many pros yet.
Yes "Granny" taught me well. Yours should have taught you respect. My trips cost me money also. If you can't afford them, don't go on them. As far as doing well, more power to ya. Three trips to Saganaga. Many trips on the river. Priceless. As far as being a "fishing Pro" there is no such a thing. Junky.............

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Last year I was on the river for the opener. I was slip drifting down river and ended up being right beside a huge ranger totally decked out. You know the 225hp, 10 fishfinders, genesis, etc. Anyway there were 3 guys in it wearing $600 matching suites. So i got to listen to them for awhile, everytime a boat would come by they would try to find everything they could to make fun of. Went threw mine, every thing was junk according to them. A guy came by on a piece of plywood and a 3hp. They tore into him, lauging making fun of him. These are the type of people I cant stand. The ones who think they are better then everyone else because they have alot of money. Funny thing is I never seen them catch a walleye, but the guy in the little boat caught 2 right beside them.

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Just asking a question here, "Frozenminnow". If you're 40 and remember Rocky Teller when you were 9, that would mean you're talking 1973. I think Rocky was already dead, or at the very least not a "pro" any longer!

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I am 40 lived in Duluth all my life and and I can remember all the way back to Rocky Teller a local pro when I was about 6-9 yrs Wally Pease is another old pro from days gone by.


Your definition of a "pro" and mine are different. There are no "Pro's". Just people makin' money. Junky...................

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Timber
When I was 9 it was 72 (I will be 41 in July 04 not that I wanna be.) I may have been younger than 9 I admit it was a memory focal point when Rocky was alive, but, I do remember going to his store in the west end with my dad. And? I remember his show on "W.D.S.M. T.V." now kbjr I think it was called Up North with Rocky Teller. He always loved to show off different products as a pro would. My first win of a tackle box with tackle from a 2 lb 3 oz. Crappie was on the WDSM Fishing contest, hosted by Dick Wallack and Ray Paulsen (Mr. Toot).
P.S Remember KAOH Radio? smile.gif How about Mr. Toot? smile.gif ShoppersCity? Goldfines? smile.gif
If you know what year Rocky died please let me know.
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A fishing guide is just a fishing junky who takes others with him to support his habit.

Is this not what a pro does??? Or is this a mooch?

nuff said....

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I say hang Babe right along side of his wife.

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Back to the topic, it is not uncommon for the DNR to hide in the bushes or stake out a site to catch someone doing something illegal, especially if they have some reason to suspect illegal activity is going to happen. The guy broke the law, why should he be any different than you or I.

This stake out thing was a common thing back in the days of the big salmon runs on the north shore of lake superior. They were looking to catch people snagging the salmon during the runs.

Staking out and following up on tips and is what the TIPS(turn in poachers) progam is all about. How else are they going to catch someone doing something illegal? Walk up and ask them are you gonna illegally use the radio today, I need to know so I can make better use of my time? Be Real grin.gif

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A fishing guide is just a fishing junky who takes others with him to support his habit.
Is this not what a pro does??? Or is this a mooch?

Not a pro Frozen, just a guy out making money at what he loves to do. smile.gif Anyways, I'm through bitchin' now. smile.gif Thanks for the interesting chat. Good luck this season. Junky..............

One last thing on the quote. I was sitting in a guides boat chatting with him, and he told me he was interviewed by Outdoor Life back in the early to mid-seventies. The interviewer asked him to define what a fishing guide is. And that quote was his response. Out of respect for the guide, whom is a hell of a fishermen and a man, I use the quote as my signature.........

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I remember Rocky Teller and the day he died. He was doing one of the things we all like doing best and it wasn't fishing when he died, nuff said.

Babe should be dealt with the same way you or I would be. I just wonder if you or I would have been on servileness for two days? "Loaded and Ready" When on stand I'm always loaded and ready.
We like to take down those in the spotlight, makes us feel good just like belittling the guy in the junker boat.

I was on the Big Lake Saturday and watched a Ranger go by at 60+. I'll admit a little envy. Later that day I pulled up to the dock and there was that Ranger on a trailer parked in the lot. Nice looking rig.
My boat wasn't in the same league as that Ranger. I pull my boat out and start unloading gear and I see the guy with the Ranger walking down to the dock with no shoes or shirt on. The water was 38 degrees and my interest was peaked to say the least.
His female companion had drooped something of value into the water as she steeped out of the boat and onto the dock and he was diving for it. You make up your own moral to the story.

PS there was a 12 and 13 lb Lake Trout and one Coho in my live well.


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Any idea what year Rocky died?

Junky I didn't mean blow your sails too hard smile.gif

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Wow! That was a fun read.

Many times it's just a question of semantics, i.e., how do you define a "Professional" fisherman? Am I a "pro"? Are you a "pro"? What is your definition? Being a fisherman full of wisdom and lore? Being a good guide? Getting sponsored?

Does it matter?

I'm sure there are professional anglers (probably the majority) who are really good anglers.

I have used guides that couldn't find the fish if they were in a barrel(maybe it was the weekend, maybe not).

Are there professional anglers? Of course there are; don't be silly. A guide is a professional angler. Look up the definition of what it means to be a professional, in any categorie.

Would there be fishing if not for professional anglers? I think it goes without saying. Research the history of fishing/angling. Way back...waaay back.
No, we wouldn't have many of the modern "advances"/conveniences without the professional, but I think we would still be fishin'.

Thank goodness someone paid someone to test flourocarbon line. It helps me out with those finicky fish. Yeah, I'd still(still do!) catch them on mono, but flouro is a definite advantage in certain situations. I'm sure many products would never have made it to the shelves if not for the "pro" fisherman. Most people would still catch fish(especially if yer using a worm, thank goodness for them!), but it sure is more fun, at least for me, with all the experimenting.

The Three Ages of the Fisherman

1) When he wants to catch all the fish he can.

2) When he strives to catch the largest fish.

3) When he studies the most difficult fish he can find, requiring the greatest skill and most refined tackle, caring more for the sport than the fish.

-Edward Ringwood Hewitt

(note: it don't mean he don't like to eat'um)

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Well put Buz. Now lets move on.

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WoW! We all need to go fishing! Come on opener!!! grin.gif

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