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Posted

OK, Loading a 19' Yarcraft (glass) boat with 2 rigger's. I checked the archives (no luck) on this topic so here goes.

If you were going to "Do it again" what would you load?
Manual because it saves money and wiring?
Electric because ease of use?

Looking @ Scotty's...?
I am not ascared of spending $$$ if the quality and it's justified.
So, I will be using them for muti-species and lakes.

Thanks in advance!
B2


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I have Big Jon manuals that work great and the spool is real smooth but I have a buddy that has Cannon electrics and they are the slickist thing I've ever used. They are nice if you are fishing alone, freeing up a extra hand while setting up,and he also said that they could be programmed to move up and down based on the bottom depth but you must have to have the locater hook up for it or something.
my manuals have 250' of cable and have 4' booms and I can bring then up in no time flat with a 10lb ball.
I guess it's a personal preferance to what you want to spend and what it would cost for a mechcanical break down. I don't know much about Scotty but I have heard good about Cannon and Big Jon for Quality and service.

Jar Jar

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Posted

I have both. My 16' boat has two manual riggers, and I grew up with manual riggers. However, my 24' boat has 4 electric cannons.
Once you go electric, you'll never go back. If you have to get your lead ball up from 100 feet, cranking is work. If you're out there to relax and enjoy the day, then cranking is a TON of work. Hey, I'm not afraid of work either. I run marathons for fun.
But electrics are worth it. You should be able to hit your switch from 100 feet, and it should come all the way up. Then, in the mean time, you can reel in your rod, switch lures, and be ready to go, without taking another minute or two to reel up your rigger. If you have to do that 20-30 times a trip, that's a half hour reeling. Would you rather spend that time fishing, or cranking up a lead ball?
If you start coming up a reef, and need to get both your riggers up in a hurry, then you should be able to hit your switches, and both will come up at the same time.
Ok, I'm a huge advocate for electric riggers, but in my opinion after working with them for 24 years, they're well worth it.
I know nothing of Scotty riggers. My Cannons were purchased in 1990. Just last fall, I had my first problem with one of them, as the electronic switch inside went bad. $100 to fix, but I can't complain.
Good luck in your decision process, and I hope my input helps.
E

Posted

Not sure if you are concerned about speed but there is added weight with those electrics. Every little bit of weight changes performance. Just pretend its a laker when you are reeling up the Lead ball. I have run cannon's and now have a set of big jons both have been manual. I don't see it as that much work. Now if I had a 24' boat with four or six riggers maybe I would think differently.

Posted

I will put my vote in for electric cannons. I have a pair on my boat and have not had a problem with them since I bought them 4 yrs ago. I like the time it saves you, I can pop my lines hit the switch to raise the cannon ball and reel up the lines at the same time. I have never owned a manual set, and after buying these cannons I would never buy anything but an electric model.

Posted

The nice thing about the newer cannon electrics is that if you flip the switch up to raise them they will stop at the surface so you don't have to watch them. Helps if you are playing a fish and not have to worry about turning the rigger off

Posted

I say it's how much you will use them. If you go 3 or 4 times a year, I wouldnt pay for the electrics. However if your going something like once a week, then think a little harder about purchasing some elecetrics. The other thing to consider when purchasing is the retrieval speed of the electrics. The heavier the weight, the slower the retrieve then advertised too. So know what your paying for. For instance, if I remember correctly, the Cannon Mag 10, then Scotty, then Mag 15 or 20. for speed in that order with the Mag 10 being the slowest. And lastly the cable length is different from each manufacturer and sometimes form model to model. Good Luck.

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Posted

OK, Elec it is!
Man I got the itch! Boat parts are in from Merc~ Should be done by the weekend... Pulled my bent SS prop for repair. Picked-up a couple custom colors from MG!

I used to think Cannon was the only option but? Scotty - Big Jon?
Any one run differnt kinds to compare?
What would you do if loading up your rig a second time?

Thanks again!
All are welcome on my boat anytime!
In fact by moving up here, I am flying solo most of the time~

B2

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Posted

As my boat is an 18 fiberglass O/B, here's what I'd do differently. YES electrics, I've owned my Big Jon manuals for a couple of years. I love 'em. But I know the advantage of electrics. Honestly cant afford them right now. I'm kind of on the boat with a budget deal. I'd stick with BJ, longer booms (4') to clear the kicker better plus the full auto option. I'd also look at the rigger bridge option. Get em up higher with rod holders built to the bridge. This year I'm trying my FL8SE on the transom to eye the ball/bottom situation. Real time rocks for trolling. The main graph will be thru hull. As far as rigger brands, talk to your dealer about service options and warranty.

chunk

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Have to agree with End of the Line. Charters do not have time to goof around and if I was fishing 3-4 times per week I would go electric. But think how many times do you realy bring a ball up just to bring it up???If money was no consideration why even ask, go with the electrics. I use manuals with no problem>>>later the load

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Posted

OK, The Yarcraft comes with a Flasher built into the console(sp). That should give me real-time. Also have a duel feq. 200/50 X-15 on as well as a Pinpoint 3570 all with the Transom mount option. I will have to check on the interference level.

I have heard about people using the 50khz feq for picking up the ball???

Thanks again for the advice! Keep it coming!

B2

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Posted

Duluthguy, you ever need a fishing partner on the big lake let me know. I would be more then willing to pitch in gas and go out with ya. I'm always the captain bringing my friends out. It would sure be nice to fish in someone elses boat for a change. I can't wait to get out on the south shore here pretty soon. Heres my e-mail (Outdoor [email protected])

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Outdoor Ran - you got mail!

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Posted

If your rigging a LS boat only boat and money isn't an issue go with electrics.
I just installed an Eagle 480 Seafinder DF. I'll run it on split screen and looking forward to the kHz transducer for tracking balls. Not that I wasn't able to pick up balls with 20 degree, 200 KHz with some fine tunning.

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