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Fish house stolen off Buffalo


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It appears someone thought my little homebuilt portable was worth stealing. It was a plywood 4'x8' folding style with a brown tarp like this one: http://www.fishontario.com/ice-fishing/buildahut/icehutplansi.gif

Went out looking for it tonight after not finding it in the binoculars from home yesterday. (I live a block from the north shore of Buffalo, on Cty 12 on the hill.)

It was positioned over the pit directly to the north of the sandbar, in the "vee". See http://thoreau.dnr.state.mn.us/lakefind/lakemaps/b0127011.pdf (140K!).

Happened sometime between Tues 1/6 and Thurs 1/8. This sucks. Combined with the thieves that stole gear from pickup beds during the hubbub when those trucks went through, I'm pretty mystified how some people live with themselves.

Watch your stuff out on Buffalo. As Soucheray would say, "It's the end of the world as we know it!"

*grumble* mad.gif

-Jim

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sorry to hear about your house, seems you can not leave anything unattended anymore will keep an eye open for itand sure everyone else on here will to, someday we will catch the people doing all this crap

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Wow!! A GL'er on Buffalo, could be a "ray of hope."
Sorry about your lose. Too bad we cant hang thieves. There would be a lot less stealing today.

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Hang them or Cane them, something needs to happen.

Sorry to hear the news federline.

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That is why they are called portables, Take them with you when you go. Times are different and its work to remove when you leave...but... Or maybe make something that is not so valuable.I feel for you and hope you get it back .I have three portables and they come with me ,always. metro

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Sure, times change. Doesn't mean I have to like it or flow with it gracefully. The thing is marginally portable due to its weight. I call it portable only because if I want to switch lakes, I don't need a motor to pull it off.

Something not so valuable? Plywood and a tarp? This isn't about the house loss, that's easily replaceable. My house was less valuable than everything else out there. It's about [email protected] that don't belong on the lake. Want more fun? Go to this thread http://fishingminnesota.com/ubb/Forum30/HTML/004024.html . The one thing this posting doesn't mention is theft.

I live here on Buffalo. I watch all these people flock in from out of town and party on the lake, drop their trash, run generators, and I support their right to do so. It's a free country, you actually do have the right to be an annoying pain in the @ss if that's your bag. So I pick up their trash so I don't hook it next spring, have faith in the fish that they'll still bite, and ignore the noise.

But this one got my goat. I guess times are changing in our fine town. The house has been out for weeks at a time before, but I guess that just doesn't fly here anymore, because the scrambled idea of whats acceptable and necessary in the city now applies to Buffalo.

At least I still have all my gear and otter sled. Time to upgrade the otter sled to a portable now. I'm feeling better already.

-Jim

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federline
We shouldn't accept this at all but imaginary boundaries for crime do not exist. Buffalo , Monticello and South Haven are all just as likely to be a crime statistic as Mpls. Do I like that ? No. but I think we should keep a sharp eye to what's going on around us and I'll watch your stuff to the best of my ability and I'm sure you will watch mine too. I hate thieves and I don't treat the kindly at all. Metro

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I recovered it over the lunchhour on the SE side of the lake while I was over checking out the snowmobile radar run today. Brought the binocs with on a whim and spotted it.

Turned out to be a vandalism deal, it will be salvagable with a little work. Cut tarp, busted hinges and wood, cracked windows, etc. Looks like someone tied it to their ATV and took it for a joy ride, then drove over it a couple times for kicks and jumped on it a couple times - the ATV tire and boot tread prints all over it are a clue.

Thanks for letting me vent. I'm just getting frustrated with the BS out here this year. Guess this is the year I must change my outlook from "hardwater folks are some of the last good people around" to "people on the ice could cause me grief like anyone else", eh?

Call me slow to adapt - my wife does. rolleyes.gif

"I am a man. But I can Change. If I have to. I guess." - The Red Green Show tongue.gif

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Federline...

You have a right to expect some decency from your fellow Americans (and anyone else that chooses to live in our fine country!).

That's why I'm an advocate of spanking children when they do wrong. (Not abusing them, mind you...just teaching them "right from wrong", with a bit of "re-enforcement", believe me, when done right...it works)...Youth today have no respect for values (since they usually haven't been taught any), much less people and their property.

I remember every backhand my Dad gave me. One of them is all it took, to learn to respect my elders and other people's property...

...I made the mistake of calling my Mom "stupid" when I didn't get what I wanted (candy) when I was eleven. Never saw my Dad's backhand coming until it was embedded in my fleshy cheek! He asked me, calmly..."what did you just call your mother"...
"nothing! I'm sorry!"......the second time I did bad, I lived in Scottsdale, AZ and "capitol punishment" was the norm in schools then (1971). I got into a 6th grade fistfight at school with a boy named Mitch. Later that afternoon, the "dreaded" P.A. announcement came. And everyone knew when you got called to the principals office (after something like a schoolyard fight), it spelled DOOM!. "Attention! Mitch Holden and Andy Kotz report to the principals office immediately"...and everyone gulped hard when they heard those words.
We both started sobbing as we walked the hallways toward the principals office.
"Drop your trousers, bend over and grab your ankles" We each received 13 swats with a aerodynamically, drilled out, wooden paddle (with the door open so the whole school could hear!).

We learned a valuable lesson. Respect the rules (or laws), or there's a price you're gonna pay!

Kids today, fear no one and nothing...but "God forbid if you lay a hand on a child".

I moved to Minnesota in 1997 when a twelve year old boy (in Burbank, CA) robbed me in my alley, by putting a gun in my mouth...the next day I went to a gun store and almost bought a 9mm Glock. I broke down crying and decided it would be better for us to move (my wife's from Minnesota) than to spend the rest of my life with a gun in my waistband...
...besides, I want to believe there's still hope...

Was that "too heavy"? If so, I apologize. grin.gif

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Ack:

Yah, that was pretty heavy, but I can appreciate every word. I was talking with my mother-in-law (amazing lady, ex schoolteacher) about this very thing this afternoon.

She said the same thing regarding respect for people and property - Kids (and a lot of adults too) seem to think now that stealing isn't "stealing", they are just "taking" it 'cause "they want it for a while". They don't just start this overnight, it comes from their experience in getting away with crap with insufficient punishments, and I'm not talking about law enforcement.

Anyway, I'm with you on common decency. We should never stop expecting it from others.

Fish-on, FMers. I'll be out tomorrow, the shack is back in shape. smile.gif

-Jim

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Over this short winter, I have read numerous posts about theft, vandalism, littering, excessive noise, cars/trucks parked too close to ice houses, snowmobiles blasting past fisherman with their kids (at night) at 70 mph. Most of the stuff I have seen involves Buffalo. What I sense most of all is frustration that you are powerless...BS! What you folks need to do is what good people in "bad" or "rough" neighborhoods in the city do...form a citizens league or watch or police reserve. If things are so out of hand, and the cops are understaffed, petition the Buffalo city council to recognize a citizens watch group to enforce ordinances against noise, littering, speeding, reckless driving, vandalism, theft, etc. Set up patrols via ATV with volunteers. Get the City to pay for radios, binoculars, gas, etc. In the city, this type of deal has been very useful in cracking down on prostitution, drug dealing, etc., and there is no reason why it won't work for you. Obviously, Buffalo and Wright County Sheriff's office do not have the man power to take care of this situation, so if you don't like what's going on you can either (1) find another lake, or (2) take the **** thing back for everyone! Unfortunately, the second option is harder because it requires organization and a comitment of time. However, given the number of complaints I have read on this site, finding a goodly number of volunteers should not be too difficult. While I do not live in the area, we have a cabin in Annandale, so I am concerned. If you get something going, let me know if I can do something to help, and I will be glad to.

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Glad to hear you got your fish house back. So you think its an ATV. I would look for kids that live by or on the lake. I wouldn't think someone would trailer and ATV to the lake and mess with your fish house. I think with the expense of the ATV, trailer, vehicle to tow it etc. that they wouldn't mess with a plastic tarp fish house. I would keep and eye on the local kids living by the lake you must all the same ones all the time.
Hope you get-em!
metro

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LakeCenterRefugee: "...form a citizens league or watch or police reserve."

That's what it may come to, but doesn't that take time and money...that should be spent on your children instead?
That sort of intervention shouldn't come in lieu of practicing traditional, parental discipline. These are social issues that can be avoided with proper parental involvement at a child's early stages of growth. It requires constant attention, which frankly, most people don't give to their kids. "It takes too much effort"...well, you should have thought about that before you got yourselves pregnant!!..."parenting" is probably the single most important thing an "adult" may do in his/her life.
Take that very seriously...
...and don't let your kids play those violence inducing video games. They learn that stealing and killing is not as bad as we adults make it sound. They've become de-sensitized to violence. Take 'em outdoors instead. Oh, and let them get that treble hook out of their hand themselves!!


Duane? Bite me! grin.gif
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Ackoltz: As a father of 3 kids under the age of 8, I could not agree with you more. However, I think we are coming at this from different points of view. You and I and the people who care enough to visit this site are all probably doing the right things and taking care of this responsibility. I sincerely believe that the vast majority of people want to do the "right thing." However, we all know (no matter) where you live, there is always a certain percentage of people who can't or don't supervise or parent their kids. There is also an adult element that contributes to these problems. This small element is responsible for 90% of the mayhem. Therefore, it is clear that if the police can't control this small element, and we don't want vigilanties out there doing it, what I have suggested is the next logical step. Yes, it takes time and money. If the silent majority of people, who what to do "the right thing" don't take this on, we either live with the vandalism, litter, noise and lack of courtesy....or find another place to take our kids to fish. Just my point of view. Sorry, it this sounds preachy, but I care about the growth, healty and vitality of this part of the State very much.

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I was robbed last year on 2/15/04. WARNING, when the season closes the crime seems to pick up. I would not be surprised if 80% of the time someone on the lake uses this forum. I suggest we post any “strange behavior” on the lake.

BATTLE: Buffalo Anglers Together Tips Law Enforcement.

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Lost Lifejacket on Buffalo Sunday night by courthouse. IF anyyone found blue Adult Stearns or Kent lifejacket, please let me know.

I know you are wondering what kinda nut takes a life jacket on the ice. It's the first time driving out there this yr wigh a full size truck, and I don't want to have anything happen to my 4 and 6 yr old. or my spouse if I were to go through due to my carelessness. I see the ice was about 17 inches though, won't be taking the lifejackets out again for a some time. It either fell out of the back or blew away when we were setting up the portable. It was the first time out with a new PolarSport 4 man house. Bummer to loose the life jacket though! Probably just my fault.

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Trapr, Not nuts at all. In fact when my kids were younger and couldnt swim I allways made them wear one. When they would ask why they had to I would tell them that if you cant swim you will sink like a rock if you ever break thru and I'll have to dive in after you or I couldnt live with myself.. and thats the last thing I want to have to do. I also never trust any ice enough to take a car on it...imagine if the kids couldnt get out of it in time if needed. We take the ATV . And if your kids are like mine and dont want the life jacket cause its looks funny have them put it on under a nice big parka wink.gif

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Here's an update on theft and vandalism activity in the past week that I found on the boards here:

Bemidji: http://fishingminnesota.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000502.html

Detroit Lakes: http://fishingminnesota.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000781.html

Hutch: http://fishingminnesota.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000781.html


At least they caught the losers in Bemidji. It'd be nice if we had snow here to help us do the same.

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I plan on having a permanent on Buffalo, Deer or Pulaski next year - and I will gladly participate in a "shanty village" watch. Maybe get registered with the BPD and get a sign for the landing like neighborhood watch groups have, and some stickers for the shanties.

Just an idea.

Rob - Buffalo resident and novice hardwater poker.

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Hey hey!!
Sign me up too.
I've moved to Buffalo last May 03, and I love this town and area. I think some kind of Ice Watch is a great idea and I would like to take a part in it.
Remember back in the old days it took a village to raise a child. If the parents dont want to raise their children to respect others then maybe we should.

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Aye-aye!
But I think we should have it emcompass the Buffalo/Monticello/Annadale areas. Heck, the Wright County area! Wright County Ice Watch Team, (that sounds good!) this way, other ice fishing Wright County residents will become involved, when we venture out onto other area lakes...just a thought grin.gif -- Andy

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I'm in. I fish and hunt the county, and these lakes whenever time permits, and work from Hanover to Annandale, night shift. If I spot anything it's 911! There are some real creeps in the area so I'm all for looking out for each other and our property. I think we can help stop this *%#@!

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Okay. So who's going to set up a meeting at a local school or church? Someone should call city officials in Buffalo, Annandale, etc. and let them know of our concerns. Someone should contact the Wright County Commissioners and tell them too! Forget the "our resources are stretched too thin" stuff, because we are all beyond it, and want to help solve the problem. Either they help or they don't, but it would be nice to get govt. sanction. Otherwise, we set up a network of guys patrolling area lakes on ATV's with cell phones, calling 911. It would be nice if they actually provided us radio's, keyed to their freq.'s, so we could call in bad stuff directly. So, when do we get together?

PS: I am not volunteering to be point man on this deal...I live in the TC and my wife would kill me. Sorry....(lame I know).

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We're just blowing wind up our skirts!
We weren't really gonna do anything...were we?

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Holy cannoli, I started a lynch mob! Yah, I think we'll do something, but the county and city ain't gonna pony up squat. That's the likely reality of it.

Bring a cell phone on the lake, if you don't already. (Just don't drop it down a hole. smile.gif ) If you see something fishy (bad pun), make a call to the Sheriff via 911. No reason to hesitate if you think someone's diggin' in something that's not theirs. A rise in calls on weekends from the ice will have more impact on the way the Sheriff, PD and DNR patrol around the lake than signing up a neighborhood watch, I think.

Something I've done off the ice for a while is walk closer to someone acting suspicious, even asking "everything allright?". The answer is usually in the way they respond to you walking closer and responding to your question. Sometimes, that's enough to send a would-be theif packing. Too close for comfort for him. Then dial him up for a meeting with an officer as you follow/track him to shore!

I think there's lots of common sense out on Buffalo, let's just put it to more active use.

-Jim

BTW, my initial repairs to the house didn't last past one use, I lost a whole side - time for the heavy duty hinges. Also need more duct tape on the tarp. This thing really has some character now!

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If people (me included) would call 911 every time we see somthing, maybe there would be a squad in the area (Buffalo lk.) almost constantly. I always blow off calling thinking, someone else will call, or just p1$$ and moan about what ever is going on. What are all the different infractions we can call on? Speeding? What's that, 50 mph? Reckless driving? On the scanner I hear the "boys" getting called out all the time for "suspitious" behaivior. We can call for police, or a DNR-CO, right? What about filling a report with the DNR (or the EPA, ha) for some of the trash left on the lake? At least filling a report will bring a law enforcement presence to the prob. areas.

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the reality of it to me is this .. when the sheriffs of wright county or sterns county odds are will not go out on the lakes to check it out . last winter i left home , called wife at 930 am said i would be home early evening, after losing all track of time ( which is very common when fishing) i came off the lake as a buddy was comming on .. runs over to truck and says gotta call youir wife and then the sheriffs to call off the search for you . so if they wouldnt get on the ice looking for me then i doubt then would worry about a fish house much... best bet lets police our own ,, see something odd ? get all the info you can then call cops and give it to them .

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I've seen the sheriff's out there...they've got nice snowmobiles and atv's and are probably itchin' to use 'em!
I just don't think they are aware of the severity of the problems, because we aren't calling them up on a lot of these infractions and violations. If they start getting a lot of calls from the lake they'll start patroling it...

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ak,,,,
i would wonder this , if they will not go look for someone that was gone for over 24 hours ( ie. a missing person/drowning). my wife was right to call them yes . i could have dropped my truck in the lake and been dead. kid next door was out on the lake driving around looking for me the night before and DID drop his car in the lake and couldnt find me . it was 4 hours after the sheriffs were called b4 my buddy found me by driving around the lake edges with binocs. he wasnt going to drive on the lake with his grand daughter in the car. as it was stated in another post . Clearwater Lake is a lake that can be very dangerous.. if i recall correct the most dangerous lake in the county. what it boils down to is this ,, if they will not respond to the calls promptly. then the theives will be gone . it is that simple

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