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Do I need a kicker??


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Okay Guys-
This is a topic that I keep tossing around in my head. One day I think I need one, the next day I don't.

Do I need a kicker motor? Currently, I run an Alumacraft Tournament Pro 175 tiller with a 75 (2 str) motor. It trolls down to 2.1 mph (gps).

Here is why I want one:
*Basically, any time after mid-June, I am pulling cranks. So I would use it a lot.
*On a few occasions this year, I have trolled for 10 hrs straight. For some reason it bothers me to listen to that gas guzzlin 75 hp rumble all day long.
* does a long day of trolling hurt my 75?
* I would also like the option of trolling under the 2 mph range (without a bulky Happy Troller or drift socks).

Here is why I hesitate to buy one:
* I know guys that have trolled with there big motor for years without a problem.
* I can think of several other ways to spend the money. (or maybe even try somthing new to my vacabulary *SAVE* the money????)
*two motors = twice the maintanance, twice the problems.
*added weight, (I already have my fat a$$ in the back of that speed demon)

I just can't decide. Anyone have any thoughts or experiences?


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If all you are going to do is speed troll cranks do not need a kicker. However, add a Yamaha 9.9 4S high thrust or a 74 lb backtroller, and a set of wave whackers you open up a whole new world of presentation methods especially for walleye and smallmouth fishing like bump fishing lindy rigs, vertical jigging, flip-jigging, spreading cranks and spoons around a reef or bay, and more. Add a bow mount and you increase your flexibility even more.

I’m of the opinion that that all methods of presentation work, but not all the time. So you need to be flexible.

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Oops, I forgot to mention that I do have wave wackers. I sold my 70 lb transom trolling motor for a 74 lb Maxxum bowmount w/buttseat for casting cranks, jigging etc..

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I don't know if you fish big water or small water, but a kicker could be looked at as a safty device too, should your main take a dump on you. At least that's the argument I've made to my wife. She says if the main takes a dump, I'm SOL. wink.gif

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If you plan on fishing the Mississippi... yes, you do need a kicker.
Yamaha's T8 is a nice one.
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I'll second the Yamaha T8. I bought mine this spring and can't imagine being without it. I also have two trolling motors on my boat that have had little use since the addition of the kicker.

If you're considering a kicker be sure to shop around, I found a $600 price range on the T8 at differet dealers.

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I have a kicker motor and love it, but I have a side consol boat with a 175 hp motor. Between the kicker motor and my bowmount electric I can handle any fishing situation I run across.

In your post you said you troll cranks and it sounds like your boat works fine for that. Therefore, I would say you don't need a kicker unless you think it will help you catch more fish. Just my opinion, good luck.

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I also recomend the Yamaha T8. They are quiet and run SMOOOOTH.

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I have a 9.9 kicker and use it maybe once a year. I also have a 175 hp main motor that will troll down to about 2.6 mph, that I will run while downriggin for lakers. I use my bowmount for everything under 2.6 mph. do you need a kicker motor, I would say no, unless you fish lakes like superior, its nice to have a backup. what I dislike about having a kicker, and using it only once a year, is the the gas gets bad, or the carbs need to be cleaned, its more of a headacke than its worth.

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I have been told that it is not good to run a larger motor (like a 75 h.p.) for trolling. Is this true, or was I givin a line of bull???

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Full tilt, I priced out the T8 and found a price fix everywhere I went,about $2400.00. Love the motor, the power trim, electric start, and above all the QUIET! Its a great motor but Nelson Marine stiffed me with a long shaft instead of a extra long as I requested at purchase time, but they are going to exchange it for the right size when the 2005's come in. As far as a Kicker goes, its great all the time, for all speeds, electrics are good for lighter wind conditions and depends on the battery strength and can be moved to your new boat at that time. Good Luck HTB

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Rost,
I have the EXACT same set up as you. 1998 TP 175 tiller with a 75 2-stroke Merc. I used it this way for 6 years and last winter bought a 8hp Evinrude 4 stroke. Man am I glad I did. I made the decision for several reasons. 1. I got a great deal on the kicker. It's a 2000 model year with very low hours, and I bought it for well under $1000. 2. I troll A LOT. I troll in cold water and warm, all season long. I troll 3-ways and cranks on the river and I troll at night on Mille Lacs in the Fall when super slow sometimes means more fish. The kicker offers me much more versatility than the big motor and I don't have to listen to it or smell it! 3. As someone else said, it also offers me the option of using it to back troll or use it for precise boat control when vertical jigging in windy and wavy situations.
Like I said, I'm glad I got one. I got a great deal on it and can't imagine not having one now.

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Bricks...I called around last Feb/March checking prices and I found prices ranging from $2,900 to $2,100 for a 2004 T8. I bought mine at a Yamaha dealer in St. Peter. However, from the time I put money down on it in Feb/March to when I picked it up in May the price on their floor model had gone up to $2,400, or something close. I also priced them out at the boat show this year and found varying prices. I know they've been extremely popular and Yamaha may have had to fix a price for the dealers, I'm not sure.

What type boat are you runnign yours on? I bought the long shaft for my 1750 Fish Hawk and debated on getting the extra long shaft in case I get a deeper boat, what's your transom?

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You do not need a kicker for that rig. I have a very similar rig with the same 75 Merc bow and transom electrics and there is no way I would put a kicker on it even if it was free.

You should get a little over 2mph minimum going forward, 1.1 to 1.6 mph backtrolling. You can pull cranks or whatever else with a bow mount too. All speeds should be covered with what you already have.

The kicker is just going to add weight to the back of your boat and make the bow ride higher out of the water.

My 92 Merc works great and has many trolling hours on it. Those motors have a bulletproof reputation with the mechanics I have talked to.

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I had the same boat but with a 75 hp 4 stroke.

You may want to look at getting a 24 volt Minn kota Vantage or Vector.

When its calm out I troll with the Vector. When it's 2 foot or bigger waves, fire up the 75.

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      +2349128106243ZAHADURAH BROTHERHOOD OCCULT IS A SACRED FRATERNITY WITH A GRAND LODGE TEMPLE SITUATED IN G.R.A PHASE 2 PORT HARCOURT NIGERIA, OUR NUMBER ONE OBLIGATION IS TO MAKE EVERY INITIATE MEMBER HERE RICH AND FAMOUS IN OTHER RISE THE POWERS OF GUARDIANS OF AGE+. +2349128106243       SEARCHING ON HOW TO JOIN THE ZAHADURAH BROTHERHOOD MONEY RITUAL OCCULT IS NOT THE PROBLEM BUT MAKE SURE YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT IT VERY WELL BEFORE REACHING US HERE BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE HAS THE HEART TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO BECOME ONE OF US HERE, BUT IF YOU THINK YOU'RE SERIOUS MINDED AND READY TO RUN THE SPIRITUAL RACE OF LIFE IN OTHER TO ACQUIRE ALL YOU NEED HERE ON EARTH CONTACT SPIRITUAL GRANDMASTER NOW, FOR INQUIRY       +2349128106243       +2349128106243 OFTEN MANY HAS VENTURED INTO SPIRITUAL MEANS OF ACQUIRING LUXURY BUT ONLY FEW GET TO THE PEAK WHEN IT COMES TO SPIRITUAL WEALTH & LUXURY NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY INFECTED OR UNWORHTY BUT IT’S ON CLEARER VIEW TO THE HUMAN WORLD NOW TO ACTUALLY KNOW THAT IT TAKES A GREAT SACRIFICE AND OFFERING TO PIERCE THE HEART OF THE SPIRITUAL WORLD IN ORDER TO MAKE A RFEQUEST NOT JUST TO MAKE A REQUEST BUT TO GET ANSWERS AND POSITIVE POSITIVE RESPONSE FOR THE SPIRITUAL GUARDIANS OF AGE. WE THE INITIATE MEMBERS OF ZAHADURAH BROTHERHOOD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GAIN A SPIRITUAL CLOSE GUARDED SECRET OF ACQUIRING WEALTH POWER &PROTECTION FOR THE GUARDIANS OF AGE THROUGH THE ORDERS OF THE TEMPLE GRANDMASTER AND OTHER SPIRITUAL LEADERS OF THE GRAND LODGE TEMPLE.        +2349128106243 WE KNOW VERY WELL THAT EVERYONE THINKS THEY HAVE ALL IT TAKES TO BE RICH AND FAMOUS NOT MINDING THE FACT THAT ONLY FEW HAS THE ABILITY AND GRACE TO BE WEALTHY, BECAUSE IF MAKING WEALTH WAS THAT EASY EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN WEALTHY BY NOW. MAKING ENQUIRIES TO JOIN US HERE MIGHT BE OPEN FOR EVERYONE BUT NOT EVERYONE IS ACCEPTED AT THE END OF THE DAY. ZAHADURAH OCCULT IS NOT FOR THE RICH OR POOR BUT FOR THE “DESTINED TO BE RICH” IT DOESN’T MATTER WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM OR WHO YOU THINK YOU’RE, ONCE YOUR DESTINY MATCHES THE SPIRITUAL HEART OF THIS OCCULT YOU’RE CERTAIN TO BE ACCEPTED AND TRANSDFORMED FROM POOR TO RICH OR RICH TO RICHER & POWERFUL. ALL ZAHADURAH BROTHERHOOD INITIATE MEMBERS ARE ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING THAT MAKES LIFE WORTH LIVING NO MATTER HOW EXPENSIVE IT MIGHT BE CARS HOUSES LUXURIOUS LIFE BUT ONE THING YOU MUST PUT FIRST IS COURAGE AND BRAVERY BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE KEYS TO UNLOCK TO ONES FORTUNE, AND BEFORE ANY MAN/WOMAN CAN BE ACCEPTED HERE HE OR SHE IS EXPECTED TO HAVE MADE UP HIS OR HER MIND KNOWING THE TASK AHEAD, THOUGH WE DO NOT USE HUMAN BLOOD FOR SACRIFICE BUT DO NOT BE DECEIVED; WE USE ANIMAL BLOOD TO PLEASE THE LORD GUARDIANS OF AGE TO ACCEPT YOU AFTER WHICH YOU’LL BE ENDOWED WITH RICHES AND LUXURY BUT KNOW THAT THERE’S A GRAND PRIZE TO PAY WHICH IS YOU OFFERING YOUR SOUL TO THE LORD LUCIFER AT CERTAIN STAGE {85YRS}       ………… NOTHING ELSE WILL BE REQUIRED UNTIL YOUR LAST SACRIFICIAL RITE AND MONEY WILL NOT BE YOUR PROBLEM AGAIN UNTIL YOU DIE. THERE 7 SACRED RULES GUIDING THIS SACRED OCCULT WHICH MAKES IT EASY AND THE BEST FRATERNITY TO BELONG, THIS RULES CAN ONLY BE DISCLOSED TO AN ALREADY INITIATED MEMBER, STRICT MEASURES ARE APPLIED IN TERMS OF KEEPING THE SECRETS OF THIS GREAT OCCULT WHICH INSTANT DEATH, SO IF YOU KNOW YOU CAN’T KEEP SHUT WHEN THE CLOSE GUARDED SECRETS ARE BEEN GIVING TO YOU DURING YOUR INITIATION RITUAL; DO YOURSELF GOOD BY STAYING AWAY OTHER THAN BRINGING CALAMITY UPON YOURSELF AND HOUSEHOLD. THE ZAHADURAH BROTHERHOOD WAS FOUNDED IN INDIA BY AFRICAN BROTHERS WHO TOOK DECISION TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF NATURE IN OTHER FOR LIFE TO BE EASY IN THE EARLY DAYS OF ALLAQUATHAMIN, THERE BY MAKING THE HOME OF THE LORD ZAHADURAH BROTHERHOOD TO BE IN AFRICA, WE HAVE OUR TEMPLES HERE IN AFRICA OF WHICH THE GRAND LODGE TEMPLE HQ IS SITUATED IN A HIDDEN LOCATION IN PORT HARCOURT RIVER'S STATE NIGERIA.       MANY INDIVIDUALS HAS TAKEN THE RISK OF ATTEMPTING #I_WANT_TO_JOIN_ILLUMINATI #I_WANT-TO-JOIN_THE_FREE_MASONS #I_WANT_TO_JOIN_ODD_FELLOWS AND MANY OTHER SEARCH REQUESTS; THOUGH THERE’RE OTHER FRATERNITIES LIKE MENTIONED ABOVE BUT THE BAD NEWS IS YOU CAN NEVER BE LINKED TO ANY OF THIS OCCULTS BY ANYONE UNLESS THEY WANT TO GIVE YOU FALSE HOPES THEREBY EXTORTING FROM YOU....+2349128106243.
    • smurfy
      he ate pine needles and pine cones raw!!!!!!!!!
    • gimruis
      No idea who that is.  Had to look it up though.  Born in 1911 and died in 1975.  That explains why I've never heard of him.
    • smurfy
      Just old leather straps!!🤣🤣apparently you seem to have no problem with all the preservatives in our foods today. I know you ain't no Euiel Gibbons.  
    • JerkinLips
      Fished Tuesday-Thursday.  Caught a lot of 9-12 inch walleyes.  The only walleyes I caught over 12 inches were two 13 inchers and the pictured 22 inch.  Don't know where the quality eaters went.  Best action was 11am-4pm.  The walleyes were stuck on the bottom so I set my bobber so the minnow could just reach the bottom.  Then I would occasionally raise it up to entice them to bite.  Got numerous bites as I was setting the depth.  Neither the Y-store nor Vermilion Fuel & Food had rainbows so I settled on pike suckers and chubs.  Didn't catch a walleye on pike suckers the first morning so I just stuck with the chubs the rest of the trip.   Good luck fishing and enjoy the lake.  
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