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posted 04-26-2004 03:38 PM
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To all interested I'm putting my money where my mouth is and buying casting equipment.
I found a supplier of nonferrous metals in New York. Here is some specific Data
The product comes in 2.5 lb cakes as opposed to ingot form. looks like a hockey puck not a Candy Bar
It consists of 60%Tin 40%Bismuth
Melting point is 385 degrees F
It is approximately 75% by volume Lighter tha lead. This means the Same mold for a 1oz lead ball weighs 3/4 of an oz
or a 1/4 oz jig weighs 3/16 of an oz.
10lb lots of 2.5lb cakes cost$18.80 per lb
20lb lots cost $16.69 per lb
50lb lots cost $10.29 per lb
100lb lots cost $ 8.18 per lb
The 100 lb price break get the cost per oz down to $.51 cents per oz

Is there enough intrest for people to get a buying group together?
I'm in for 20lbs at 8.18 per lb
I am at this time unable to locate pure bismuth. Can get tin Email me I will give you the links or we can worrk out a group buy of the Tin/Bismuth Compound.
PS 1, 2.5 lb cake costs$63.00 per pound
I therefore did not include smaller quantity costs.

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Highest quality lead ... $1/pound at minimal quantities.

1000 lbs+ of fair quality lead in my storage ... already paid for, most was free.

My interest in using a 3 oz non-tox sinker for cats that cost me $1.50 minimum and is the size of a 4 oz lead sinker .. NONE. Larger weight, more snags, more money.

3 oz LEAD sinker ... .25 max cost(to make)
3 oz NON-TOXIC .... $1.50 - $2+

Not to sound irrational... but I'm not rich... If that 1/100,000 loon can get my weight off the dead log at the bottom of the river ... let it choke. I am not paying $3+ per sinker at any bait shop, or $2 to pour unless its poured from gold.

Nobody would be complaining to find a dead comerant(sp?).

No offense meant to anyone (except maybe PETA)

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Dave,
Your opinion is appreciated. I'm looking for people of a like mind interested in following through with making the switch. I aint rich either but must follow my conscience on this issue. Doing this makes all the talk I Talk more than rhetoric. I hope others who say the switch makes sense will join me that is all.
P.S. I'm not telling anyone to do anything nor am I saying you have no conscience please do not take offense.

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Commom sense isn't

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If you can find non-toxics for a reasonable price (not having to buy 6000 lbs to get the price) I would be more than happy to help out in any way I could... even as far as producing molds and melting pots...

Where I'm coming from is not only my own insight, but from previous customers (tackle manufacturer for 10+ years) every day needs on the water. As a rule, the general public does not buy junk tackle, they want quality at a reasonable price for the goods they are recieving, so do I. This is a large *food chain* that starts at the source of the building materials to produce the products... or in this case, the non-toxic material. I have no interest in lining someone elses pockets paying $10/pound for material that is costing them .05/pound.

I guess its the *american way* .. but that way doesnt buy diapers, fill my tank, or put food on my table. At the time I expect to lose $13 worth of weights in a 3 hour fishing outing is the same time I will quit fishing.

If it makes anyone feel better, go to the non-toxic... but the fact is even the houses most of us live in is surrounded by more lead paint remnants that will eventually make it into the water table then any of us will lose in fishing tackle in a lifetime.

The future will bring on more non-toxic options soon enough, and they will become cheaper, heavier by density, etc.. at that time, unless very cheap material becomes available .. I'll stick to lead.

BTW .. most of the paint(with the exception of powder) use on fishing tackle is Vinyl Paint... Xylene and Xylol (vinyl thinners and retarders) are far more toxic than lead... powder paint doesnt work properly until the item to be painted is at least 350 degrees.. smaller items will have to be hotter than that to allow for the cooling before it reaches the paint .. My very educated guess is a person would have serious problems trying to paint the non toxics with powder(380 melting point?).

I will stop at that .. I dont mean to detour anyone away from non toxics.. but I wish there were better, more economical options out there. For those willing to switch, I take my hat off to you, I only ask you dont try to force it on the rest of the average fishing world.

I dont wish any living creature lead/linotype poisoning .. but I dont wish the nerve damage from the Xylene either.

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yogi-

I have some extra molds I'd be willing to part with less than what new would cost. Let me know what you're looking for and I'll get back to you. aaron_bloom at hotmail dot com

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I am trying to get to a point with this where it is feasable to buy nontixic alternatives feasably. In that regard I am in the process of contacting places like Gander Mtn and others who do have the purchasing power to get the breaks to make purchasing nontoxics feasable to the average consumer. The other option is to form buying Groups to get the price breaks.
That way I don't have to buy 6000 pounds at a time.

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Guess I must have misread the first sentence in your original post.

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Not sure what you mean notorious, I'm working a number of different angles, First I'm still in for 20 lbs of a 100 lb lot. Second by contacting Companies with greater purchase power I will hopefully dispense with the need to form purchasing groups.
I was hoping we would get enogh people interested to buy 200+ lbs and get even better breaks. Also I would handle transport or shipping from my place to people after delivery.
Do you have 818.00 dollars laying around for a 100 lot of material? I don't Thats why I'm trying to get people together.
Buying this stuff means I don't buy other things like that new shotgun for duck hunting.
How much time have you spent researching this or any other topic you post on? Since the Topic "Get the lead out" posted initially I have almost as many hours researching as I do working my full time job nt to mention other time involvments like getting to an AA meeting on a regular basis.
I do this because I believe in it, and the word beleive is a verb not a noun. If I say I beleive I must then act out my beliefs not speak them.

[This message has been edited by 1Yogi (edited 04-29-2004).]

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