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OutdoorMN News - DNR invites conversation about deer at area open houses

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delcecchi
7 hours ago, Paradice said:

kill your deer.  

Sorry, they aren't your deer just because they are on your land.     You  sound like those guys from Dane county back a decade or so.   

 

At the moment we have one scientist saying CWD is caused by some strange bacteria that can withstand high temperatures and on the other side we have a whole lot of scientists saying it is a prion.

 

How about we take him over in wisconsin, trap a bunch of deer in one of the real hotspots, and let him shoot them full of the treatment of his choice.     A year or two should tell if he knows what he is talking about.   Randomly divide the group in half, and separate them.      

 

Remember it was a doctor and scientist that wrote the paper claiming MMR vaccine caused autism....And a nobel prize winning scientist said vitamin C cures the common cold and cancer too.  Never worked for me (on the common cold)

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Getanet
On 3/17/2019 at 8:56 AM, Paradice said:

 

 

When MDDI was formed, none of the founding guys were deer farmers, or even cared about deer farming.  We wanted the DNR to shoot straight about these zone classifications and their sketchy population estimates and constantly changing models.  It was MDDI that got the audit proposed and through the legislature.  It wasn't until the end that the sell out losers at MDHA and the rest of the deer orgs jumped on and endorsed the idea.   

 

 

How many are deer farmers now? Brooks certainly is. A few other of the most prominent posters there are. Can't even make it up that since your response the MDDI's Facebook page has posted a link to Brook's MN Bowhunters blog  - entirely about how proposed CDW legislation is unfair to deer farmers.  Again, it's the Minnesota Deer Farmers Initiative at this point.

 

 

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delcecchi
5 hours ago, Getanet said:

 

How many are deer farmers now? Brooks certainly is. A few other of the most prominent posters there are. Can't even make it up that since your response the MDDI's Facebook page has posted a link to Brook's MN Bowhunters blog  - entirely about how proposed CDW legislation is unfair to deer farmers.  Again, it's the Minnesota Deer Farmers Initiative at this point.

 

 

Must be more money in that deer farming stuff than a guy would think...

I guess it is like the special deal in iowa where the farmers got to dump their lagoons on the frozen ground for the past few months.    Who cares what happens to the rivers....  

https://kttc.com/news/top-stories/2019/03/18/iowa-looking-at-a-big-mess-after-dnr-issues-110-emergency-exemptions/

Watch out where the farmers go.  don't you eat that brown snow... apologies to frank zappa

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Paradice

We'll never reach an understanding.  This thing is already out of the bottle.  The cull has been validated and will never stop.  If CWD is ever driven down to an undetectable level, do you really think the state will allow your perception of a healthy-sized herd to ever build up again?  

 

It's over guys.

 

 

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creepworm

Can someone explain the reasoning behind population reduction as a means of ridding ourselves of CWD?

 

The DNR (and most other researchers) believe that the prions can live in the soil for an undetermined amount of time, but all agree a very long time. Also, the DNR ( and most other researchers) believe CWD is spread through the sharing of bodily fluids (saliva, urine, etc.). 

 

So, how do we keep deer away from a place an infected deer has been for 10, 15, 25+ years. As that would be the only way to eradicate the disease, is to keep all deer away from anywhere an infected deer might have been since the point it became infected. The only way to do that, would be to completely eradicate deer (seriously 0 deer) for the undetermined amount of time that these prions can still infect other deer (10,15, 25+ years).  

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PRO-V

Just transplant some of our wolves down there since we all know they only eat the sick and diseased deer.🙄

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Getanet
3 hours ago, creepworm said:

Can someone explain the reasoning behind population reduction as a means of ridding ourselves of CWD? 

  

 

 

I don't think the focus right now is on eliminating CWD in MN. They are trying to contain it in the areas it's been found so it doesn't spread further & faster. To quarantine it as much as possible, if you will.

 

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creepworm
27 minutes ago, Getanet said:

 

I don't think the focus right now is on eliminating CWD in MN. They are trying to contain it in the areas it's been found so it doesn't spread further & faster. To quarantine it as much as possible, if you will.

 

 

Sure, but deer from all different areas interact with each other and travel some pretty considerable distances, whether the population is very high or very low, so this makes very little sense as well. For instance, when deer yard up during the winter they can travel from as far a 15 miles away. Killing as many deer as possible will not keep the few deer that are left in the CWD area and the ones that are outside the CWD area from traveling  and being the social animals that deer are.

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Getanet

Not all deer in CWD Zones have CWD. If they did, than it would have been handed off like a CWD baton from county to county and would take what, maybe 1 year to cover the entire state of MN.

 

It's simple math. Fewer deer in an infected zone have a lower probability of passing it along.

 

 

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