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Biggest Rainy Lake Pike

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beanman

Hi All,

I'm new to this site.  Was over on IDO but there's so little activity on the Rainy Forum that I started looking elsewhere.

Wondering what everyone does for trophy pike in mid to late September and what is the biggest pike you or one of your friends has landed there.  Is a 50" pike something that you have heard of actually happening or is that beyond what this lake produces?  I seem to find plenty of photos with 42-47" pike but nothing bigger to my knowledge.  The owner at Northernaire Houseboats told me he has landed a 50" pike but it sounded like that was several years ago.

Does anyone try contour trolling with big baits?  I have generally just stuck to cabbage beds but need to have a backup plan in case the big girls aren't in the bays yet.  We haven't found anything bigger than 42" and I want to hit something bigger if possible.

Thanks for any advice or fish stories you can provide!

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CaptJohnWis

I have  never seen a 50" pike from Rainy. But they can be really fat. I have gotten a couple that were only 41" but weighed over 22 pounds. In most lakes one that long would weigh 18 pounds. We speed  trolled big musky cranks for pike. One August we got 75 in three days that way fishing only a couple hours at noon.  All were 30-39".

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h8go4s

Pike that big are extremely rare, and I doubt that there are any in Rainy. In the Manitoba Master Angler listings, there were only two 50's listed in 2014. But there are plenty of good quality pike in Rainy, as Captain John wrote.

There is a Pike category in this site that you might want to check out. It's in the "Fish by Species" group and there are 21 pages of posts going back a few years.

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SledNeck

I catch bigger pike on kabetogama

 

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clKiekhafer

I'm still having trouble trying to figure this new format out.

I've been fishing Rainy for the past 28 years and have not seen anything that big, not saying that they aren't there.  The largest we have landed is 44" and we usually get at least one 40+" every year.

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beanman

Thanks for the posts guys.  My group caught a 43" and a 41" along with several in the 36-40" range as well.  Nothing huge but we found a few new good spots to find solid fish.  

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fishuhalik

A lake as big as Rainy, I guarantee there's a couple 50"+ hogs swimming around. 

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beanman

I tend to agree with you fishuhalik.  If Basswood produced a certain 50+ inch pike back in the day then one would think there would be a couple lurking in Rainy as well given the size of the lake.  If not, that says a hell of a lot about us screwing up the ecosystem and I don't think that's the case.  I don't see a heck of a lot of people fishing for pike in the fall.  In the spring it's a bit of a different story, but even so, the fishing pressure is relatively light.

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Tony S

For what it's worth I believe the DNR Fisheries crew trap-netted a 51" in Black Bay about 8 or 9 years ago and that was the biggest pike they had seen up to that point in their assessments.  Those assessments do not target big pike, however.  Not sure if they have ever done a targeted assessment just for pike?

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beanman

For what it's worth I believe the DNR Fisheries crew trap-netted a 51" in Black Bay about 8 or 9 years ago and that was the biggest pike they had seen up to that point in their assessments.  Those assessments do not target big pike, however.  Not sure if they have ever done a targeted assessment just for pike?

That's good to know!  I just want to catch one 45" or higher.  I'm guessing spring is the best time to accomplish that feat, or perhaps October.  I do most of my fishing in September and I don't know how likely it will be to catch something that big where we are focusing our efforts.

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bassbuster1

I have caught 2 ....45 inchers  on Rainy ,both in the spring.I have also caught some big pike in August usually  after the first cool down.The Rainy river holds some monster pike.They are in the river all summer long if the river doesn't get to low.

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beanman

I have caught 2 ....45 inchers  on Rainy ,both in the spring.I have also caught some big pike in August usually  after the first cool down.The Rainy river holds some monster pike.They are in the river all summer long if the river doesn't get to low.

BB1

That's pretty good.  Most go through life never catching that big of a fish.  Interesting you catch big pike in August...  I wouldn't have guessed that as being a prime time.  Here's our best pike thus far.  All caught in September.  We just started going in 2012 and fell in love with it up there.

 

 

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bassbuster1

Nice fish ,yes the 1st cool down in August can bring the big girls up.

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The photos didn't post well as I took the pic on my IPad from my office wall.2 of the fish were caught in the spring and 1 this past July.

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beanman

 How big was that last one?  

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bassbuster1

44 inches.

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beanman

Very nice.  

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Gerkmaster

What patterns/techniques do you use for fall pike fishing?

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bassbuster1

Well there are a lot of ways to go after the big girls in the fall.Wind is very important to me,I will always seek out the wind side of the lake.Points with the wind blowing in ,I like to fish them with X-raps worked real slow with long pauses.Big pike will also be on main lake humps and can be caught with big soft plastics, I like Lunker city 6 inch fin s fish on 1/2 oz swing head jig.The hump needs to be active with other fish also i.e. Bass and walleye.I know people that do very well speed trolling big crank baits for pike in the fall too,they get em.I don't troll for them but I have seen the results it works.

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fisher972002

Fished Rainy since I was 11, so for 28 years.. 
Largest Pike in our group  2014 43" Pike 27 LBS

2nd Largest 1996 42.5" Pike 28 LBS

Both caught in Spring, in our group of 9 fisherman we usually catch  a few 40" or larger, a few 38/39's...

Never fished Rainy in Fall/Summer.

We were not targeting Pike, targeting smallmouth with crankbaits and pike came along for the ride...My experience is similar to what clKiekhafe describes ..

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beanman

sledneck, what sizes do you catch on Kab?  I'm considering a trip there instead of Rainy this fall.

 

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SledNeck

Kab has huge pike. I'm talking length and girth. Lots of 40+ fish swimming around in there. If you hit it right around labor day and theres a big bloom, its on. Id fish both lakes if I were you.

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beanman

I'd assume the fishing on Namakan is good too?  We're used to doing houseboat trips on Rainy but now are thinking about going out of Crane Lake instead and setting up the "base camp" on Namakan.  We spend about 50% of our time Walleye fishing, 40% on Northern and 10% on Bass typically.

We're probably doing 9-10 thru 9/17 this fall.  Usually we go one week later.

Thanks for the info, it's greatly appreciated!

 

 

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LongAgoLeo

Long time lurker, first time poster.  Have been fishing Kabetogama for nearly 3-decades - June, August & October.  We routinely find 40"+ pike.  Our largest was in Oct '11 out of the Grassy Island Group in 3' of water on a small spoon.  She was 49" and just an absolute sow.  This fish eventually was memorialized in a glass replica.  All these big girls were/are returned to the water.

 

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gunner55

Welcome to FM, gorgeous fish, good 1st post.

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beanman

Dang, nice fish Leo!

We've fished twice in the fall and caught all the following on Rainy.  Nothing even approaching a 49" though, that would be a dream fish for anyone.

 

 

 

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