Deer stand question for fish house guys

[Hawg]

I was just on my way to Fleet to get some thermo pane slider windows for my deer stand, then it hit me. There's no way to use a little buddy in a deer stand without having moisture fogging and dripping down my windows just like an unvented fish house is there? I'm guessing I would have to keep one of the windows almost open wouldn't I?

[RJMOEN]

May seem like an odd question, but how do you hunt with all the windows closed?

[Hawg]

From a 12 ft 5x5 stand in a swamp.

[JSK76]

I've got a 5x5 insulated box stand and I use the buddy basecamp

heater and yes I need to have at least one window open. I don't have insulated windows but I might switch to them. Even from my 200 yard walk to my stand when I get in the morning the windows will fog up just from me breathing hard. I do have 2 vents up top like you would find on an outhouse too.

[Hawg]

JSK-What's a basecamp? My buddy is 8000 BTU so I have to believe I can still keep it plenty warm. Once you settle in do the windows still stay fogged.

I did find that antenna, just let me know if you come thru.

[Lawrence Luoma]

Buddy Heaters are made to run indoors so you'll be good to go. Would I still crack a window? Yes. Primetime hours I just may close it up to keep the scent contained. But only Primetime would I not crack a window.

[Whopper Stopper]

I have an enclosed deer stand that is insulated and has cheap plexi glass for windows. I have sat in it with temps from +30 all the way to -25. I just use a regular Buddy heater and in most cases need to keep a window open because it gets overly warm.

What I find is that as long as I get to my stand about 45 minutes before shooting light my Buddy Heater has time to warm things up and burn off the frost on the windows. Once this happens I am done with the frost issue for the day. Also keep in mind that after you arrive at your stand, your scope is also going to fog up as it warms up. I walk about a quarter of a mile to my stand so on cold mornings my scope has plenty of time to get cold. By allowing everything to warm up before shooting hours you will be good to go.

WS

[Hawg]

Lawrence, thanks for the reply. It's not the heater fumes I'm worried about, it's the moisture.

[FHFO]

Buddy heaters are not to be used in a sealed room. There is a safety switch that cuts it out if the O2 gets too low . But the CO2 carbon dioxide could kill you if you are in a sealed place. I have 3 buddy heaters a and love them. I detect carbon dioxide for a living and have been in the hospital from it. Always be aware of the the silent and odorless killer.

[RebelSS]

It's CO, Carbon Monoxide. CO2 is carbon dioxide, the stuff that makes your pop and beer fizzy.

All burning appliances emit CO. The low O sensors on the heaters are not enough to save your life. The CO levels can rise high enough to be damaging long before the oxy levels shut off the heater.

When CO is inhaled, it combines with the oxygen carrying hemoglobin of the blood, to form carboxyhemoglobin (COHb). Once combined with your hemoglobin, that hemoglobin can't carry oxygen to your system. Being a smoker, you already have higher levels of COHb. A level PPM of 200-300,is considered life-threatening after 2-4 hours, depending on your size. You'll feel really tired/sleepy when it's hitting you, which can be deceiving. You don't instantly pass out as believed. I've seen far too much of it in my occupation. It isn't worth it. Always have ventilation in your shack, and my advice is never run a lantern in it in conjunction with a heater. Ya, I know, lots of folks do, and depend on the oxy-deplete sensors on some heaters to protect them, believing they also shut off because of CO, which is not true. If you ever have to pull that distinctive cherry-red body of a person out of somewhere that's died from it, you'll never forget it. Been there, done that. Be safe, and be alive. Get a good CO detector.

Symptoms Associated With a Given Concentration of COHb

10% COHb - No symptoms. Heavy smokers can have as much as 9% COHb.

15% COHb - Mild headache.

25% COHb - Nausea and serious headache. Fairly quick recovery after treatment with oxygen and/or fresh air.

30% COHb - Symptoms intensify. Potential for long term effects especially in the case of infants, children, the elderly, victims of heart disease and pregnant women.

45% COHb - Unconsciousness

50+% COHb - Death

Just be really careful out there, people. From a certified safety teacher.

[JSK76]

Hawg, the basecamp is the smallest of the Buddy heaters. It screws onto the propane chub and a plastic base snaps on the bottom of the chub. It's has one setting of 3500 btu's. It's nice because it doesn't take up much room and I've even hauled it out to the stand in a backpack.

[Hawg]

I have a guy that claims the moisture running down the windows freezes the bottom tracks so hard he can't open the window. This a valid argument?

[JSK76]

Its very possible, I've had that happen on my fish house even with a vented heater. I could see the window sticking a bit the first time you go to try to open it but after that the rest of time your in the stand with some heat it wouldn't be an issue. I could see it being more of an issue for a guy that would be late season muzzleloader hunting more then the rifle season, just not typical to see below 32 although I do remember that -25 opener about 10 years back. My windows flip down and are non insulated and I've never seen any ice on them at all but there's no place for moisture to pool either.

I wonder if you couldn't lube the track with some non scented silicone or petroleum jelly of some sort.

[Hawg]

That's definitely in my thoughts.