Gov Dayton

[PurpleFloyd]

That's right. I fish in the State owned lakes, drive on state owned roads, fly from the state owned airports on planes supervised by the government monopoly air traffic control system, go to the beach on state owned beaches.

I rely on state health inspectors to keep the restaurants I eat in following sanitary food preparation standards, set by the state. The drugs I take are monitored by the state for proper manufacture, efficacy, and safety.

The state helps me breathe by preventing my neighbor from exercising his god (or higher power of your choice or no cause) given right to burn tires and garbage in his yard without me having to file a lawsuit and prove I was injured by the smoke.

Because you would never survive on your own without them.

[Bureaucrat]

All those things are fine and dandy until they get going wayward. For example:

*When road money is diverted to buses, trains, and bike trails, while bridges rot and interstates become parking lots for 6 hours a day.

*Food safety prevents small and boutique growers from entering the marketplace with superior quality products. I'd buy a chicken butchered outdoors with dogs and cats running around the water tanks before I'd take a mystery chicken from a stink house later cut up by illegals.

*The lakes are off limits because they won't put boat ramps or accesses to them (most small lakes north of duluth for example), where perhaps a local co-op could take control and raise the money to get it open and charge a small fee much like a license. The difference is that you actually get access.

*Public hunting land is untouched and leads to senescence (had to google that word). Tragedy of the commons ensues.

*Environmental protection has flown off the deep end. I'm a crazy liberty guy. I'd be ok with a tire burning ban. But forcing someone to halt construction on their home because a corner of their property (300 feet from their building) is in the 100 year flood plain is a bit much.

*You really want to use airports as an example?

The ministry of truth is the only entity on earth that blames heart problems on salt while encouraging people to eat bushels of wheat each year that blow up a person's LDL levels and obliterate their pancreas.

*Social security went from a trust fund to a flow through entity.

*Medicare has become a big broken promise.

*Medicaid has become the actual glass ceiling for the poor now that health insurance has become the very financial catastrophe it was intended to prevent.

And that's just what I got off the top of my head.

[Bureaucrat]

It's really not an objective comparison to take the absolutist fringe of the liberty movement and use it to judge us as a whole. It we took all the moonbeams from the left, we'd dredge up the eugenicists, communists, post-birth abortion activists, zero military crowd, open borders, and the nannies who want to control all the food, water, education, TV, radio, literature, income, housing, consumption, and investment decisions.

If the left ran this country completely, illegals wouldn't have to cross the border to get benefits here. We'd mail them their benefits to their home land along with an absentee ballot.

[Big Dave2]

That's right. I fish in the State owned lakes, drive on state owned roads, fly from the state owned airports on planes supervised by the government monopoly air traffic control system, go to the beach on state owned beaches.

I rely on state health inspectors to keep the restaurants I eat in following sanitary food preparation standards, set by the state. The drugs I take are monitored by the state for proper manufacture, efficacy, and safety.

The state helps me breathe by preventing my neighbor from exercising his god (or higher power of your choice or no cause) given right to burn tires and garbage in his yard without me having to file a lawsuit and prove I was injured by the smoke.

Seems like Libertarians make that kind of "socialism" look pretty good, now that you mention it.

[delcecchi]

If this is how you really feel, if you think we need government to do all of these things for us then why fight socialism in other forms like gov't run healthcare or Net Neutrality?

I'm not a fan of eminent domain. Are there a few instances each year where it is appropriate? Probably, but I think the vast majority of eminent domain cases are unnecessary. IMO, bad examples of using eminent domain would be Best Buy corporate HQ in Richfield and the Cap-x power line that was recently ran through my area.

I don't know about you but I purchased my property because it is where I want to live and I certainly don't want to be forced out some day due to eminent domain.

Nobody does, but folks drive on the roads that were built using eminent domain. Except of course for the purists who refuse to use those socialist government roads.

If you cannot understand why to embrace some things and fight others, there is no point.

I presume you are conceding the LP opposes all forms of Eminent Domain in their platform. Or is it your platform too?

[aanderud]

If this is how you really feel, if you think we need government to do all of these things for us then why fight socialism in other forms like gov't run healthcare or Net Neutrality?

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I don't know about you but I purchased my property because it is where I want to live and I certainly don't want to be forced out some day due to eminent domain.

[Big Dave2]

Nobody does, but folks drive on the roads that were built using eminent domain. Except of course for the purists who refuse to use those socialist government roads.

If you cannot understand why to embrace some things and fight others, there is no point.

I presume you are conceding the LP opposes all forms of Eminent Domain in their platform. Or is it your platform too?

Are you saying we need MORE roads?

Opposing and abolishing are 2 different things plus I'm pretty sure that there are bigger issues that need to be addressed in this country before eminent domain.

[Big Dave2]

Del, you can't argue with idealists. They don't understand the word 'compromise'

[swamptiger]

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That's right. I fish in the State owned lakes, drive on state owned roads, fly from the state owned airports on planes supervised by the government monopoly air traffic control system, go to the beach on state owned beaches.

I rely on state health inspectors to keep the restaurants I eat in following sanitary food preparation standards, set by the state. The drugs I take are monitored by the state for proper manufacture, efficacy, and safety.

The state helps me breathe by preventing my neighbor from exercising his god (or higher power of your choice or no cause) given right to burn tires and garbage in his yard without me having to file a lawsuit and prove I was injured by the smoke.

Seems like Libertarians make that kind of "socialism" look pretty good, now that you mention it.

And I love my Medicare...