Manziel Debate

[DrJuice1980]

Blow away a bunch of 1st rounders trying to find the next Peyton or Brady. Nice idea. If winning the Super Bowl were that easy those 2 would be dueling for it every single season and there would be a large talent pool to choose from. Not always the case. Football is the truest TEAM sport, you need more than one player. I wouldn't expect you to know that though. Anything that requires more than a copy/paste or plagiarism is over your head. A pass play is simply the QB throwing a ball to a guy in the open. That about sums up your knowledge level for the game of football and it proves by the videos you post. If your goal is to become the biggest joke on here you've succeeded. You seriously know Jack squat about football.

Sad attempt at a comeback. Really though, you didn't let me down because I have very low expectations for your input.

LMITs takes:

Rinse.

Repeat.

What a fraud

Waiting for the next Manziel video to pick apart and get your dobber down.

[zepman]

There won't be 8 guys in the box defending Manziel in the NFL creep.

There most certainly will if a Mr. Adrian Peterson is in the back-field...count on it!

[LMITOUT]

You seriously know Jack squat about football.

Your ignorance is astounding, yet each time you post you take it to another level.

Bravo.

[LMITOUT]

I swear Big Dave and LMIT make love to their wife's thinking about him, well probably not LMIT, he's married to his keyboard.

Are you married? I have a tough time believing you are since you probably spend all of your time staring in the mirror telling yourself how great you are. It probably sounds something like: "You're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, people like you". But, judging by the PM's and emails I get with your name in the subject line the perception is actually "D: None of the above".

[DrJuice1980]

Am I suppose to be scared away from calling you out now? What, you got that staff badge and it's just fine for you to go around calling people puke stains but if I did it oh no, we need to talk about this juice character. Give me a break. You want to know when you've lost the argue ment? When you resort to scare tactics.

Way to go Stalin!

[CaptainMusky]

But, judging by the PM's and emails I get with your name in the subject line the perception is actually "D: None of the above".

PMs from who? Your alternate usernames? Are all of you middleschool girls? Wow, impressive that gossip gets "handled" in PMs. What a bunch of children.

BTW it isnt Rocket Surgery to think the Vikings NEED TO and WILL Draft a QB in this draft. The question becomes WHERE. I would HATE to pick JM with a top 5 pick. I would HATE ANY of these QBs in this draft at that pick. BUT, later 1st Round and in the second I think there are plenty of guys you can take a chance on and "find out" if he is the franchise guy.

You guys better brace yourselves, because I am quite sure Ponder isnt going anywhere. Neither of the other two QBs will be on this roster next year IMO. Least likely Cassel. After being passed over several times and basically flat out told Ponder and Freeman were the "options" for starters, there is pretty much no chance he will want to come back. Which is too bad, I like the guy, I just dont think he gives us a decided advantage over Ponder to win.

[DrJuice1980]

Oh and no, I am not married. Been in a relationship for 5+ yrs though. I don't need a document to make me feel secure.

Knowing that you get PMs and emails about me makes me feel important. Doggonit, people like me.... You just made my daily affirmations meaningful.

[fishersofmen]

Are you married? I have a tough time believing you are since you probably spend all of your time staring in the mirror telling yourself how great you are. It probably sounds something like: "You're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, people like you". But, judging by the PM's and emails I get with your name in the subject line the perception is actually "D: None of the above".

LMFAO! This thread continues to produce.

[LABS4ME]

I love reading this thread every day! It's like being a Dad again without having to turn and say to the children... " Don't make me stop this car!"...

Good Luck!

Ken

[DrJuice1980]

There won't be 8 guys in the box defending Manziel in the NFL creep.

[muskiemanAD]

Football is a team game, however don't kid yourself that if the Vikes draft the next Luck, Rodgers etc they will be right back in the mix again. Look at the Pack with no Rodgers they are terrible, put Rodgers on that terrible team and they are a Super Bowl favorite! Same with Indy, 1st pick in the draft and in playoffs next year because they have a stud QB! That is what this league is, a QB league, nothing more!

[DrJuice1980]

We'll then end up looking like the Cowboys, put up big numbers only to have the other team put up bigger. Get it?

Rogers, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Romo, Luck, Wilson, Rivers, Manziel.

Which one doesn't belong?

Definitely not a hard question to answer.

[LABS4ME]

Im a Packer fan... they are in no way a Super Bowl favorite even if Rogers never got hurt. I said in the beginning of the year that the D is too weak to be a true playoff team. Not that they would not have made it to the playoffs, but you will not go far if your D cannot stop another team's offense. Losing Rogers just exposed how horrid the D is because there is/was/has been little offense generated. Defense wins Super Bowls.

Good Luck!

Ken

[DrJuice1980]

Defense keeps the offense on the field, Offense keeps the Defense off the field. Without both you don't stand a chance. You are correct, defense wins championships because the offense has more time to figure things out. Some guys on here lack the brain power to comprehend that (LMIT).

[Big Dave2]

Defense keeps the offense on the field, Offense keeps the Defense off the field. Without both you don't stand a chance. You are correct, defense wins championships because the offense has more time to figure things out. Some guys on here lack the brain power to comprehend that (LMIT).

Then how do you explain the Packers being 5-2 with Aaron Rodgers and then 1-1-4 without?

Don't get me wrong, it's great to add pieces to your defense as you go and shore it up but in the NFL the QB is the most important position and adding a piece here and there to a bad defense will never get you as far as adding 1 quarterback.

[LMITOUT]

"Defense wins championships."

Yeah, twenty years ago.

For someone who believes they know everything, you're sure out of touch with reality.

[DrJuice1980]

The Pack have a -61:00 in time of possession since the injury. Before the injury it was +28:00. In 7 games that Rodgers was QB they only held the ball for 28 more mins than the opponent. The QB/Offense does help the Time of Possession stat but not as much as the Defense when it comes to getting the O back on.

Pretty big swing.

If my post that you replied to did not answer your question then maybe this does.

When's the last time you heard "We need to get the Defense back on the field"

Never.

[DrJuice1980]

"Defense wins championships."

Yeah, twenty years ago.

For someone who believes they know everything, you're sure out of touch with reality.

39 out of the 47 superbowl losers only put up 21 (1TD every 20 mins) points or less. I'd say Defense won those games.

Since 1993, 10 losing teams were held to 17 points or less.

Who's out of touch with reality?

[LMITOUT]

Oh, I see, we just ignore the regular season and playoffs now.

[DrJuice1980]

How condescending of you.

So you're the kind of guy where "Division Champions" and "Conference Champions" matter?

Prove that you aren't a fraud, please.

[schmitty3]

I think he was getting at if you don't produce in the regular season and playoffs you don't get into the Superbowl.

[Big Dave2]

The Pack have a -61:00 in time of possession since the injury. Before the injury it was +28:00. In 7 games that Rodgers was QB they only held the ball for 28 more mins than the opponent. The QB/Offense does help the Time of Possession stat but not as much as the Defense when it comes to getting the O back on.

Pretty big swing.

If my post that you replied to did not answer your question then maybe this does.

When's the last time you heard "We need to get the Defense back on the field"

Never.

Exactly.

You just proved my point of why the Vikings need a quarterback.

[DrJuice1980]

I think it is a way for him to attempt a spin on a loosing argument. He's already tried the scare tactics, now comes the dip and twirl. Guys such a phony, so transparent, so erroneous. The only thing I like about him are his random video posts in the entertainment forum are pretty funny but that's because he doesn't need to type.

Everything else is:

Rinse.

Repeat.

[DrJuice1980]

That is really what you got from that? If it were just the QB then the change would've been close to even. Why isn't it? If Rodgers was the sole reason why did they lose to the Bungles and San Fran? Why was the time of possession only +28 in 7 games? That's an average of +4mins a game. Without him the average is -10mins. Way more than a 1 man reasoning.

Simple minds think "Whoever scores more, a game of catch up and whoever has it last wins"

Complex minds think "Whoever stops the other more will win"

Again its: "Get the Offense back on the field"

Not

"Get the Defense back on the field"

Id have better luck explaining this to the KinderCare down the road

[muskiemanAD]

There is a reason that they talk about the fact that 2 game managing QBs Dilfer and Johnson have ever won Super Bowls because they had top 5 D's of all time. The rest have been top 5 QB's for probably the other 90% of the games. Look how many teams had terrible D's and won Super Bowls in last 10 years alone. Saints, Packers, Colts...

[DrJuice1980]

Did you mean to add Eli and Big Ben, who have won 4 out of the last 8 Super Bowls, to the list of non-elite QBs with solid D's???

BOX!!!!

I live in the past though right LMIT?

[LABS4ME]

Look how many teams had terrible D's and won Super Bowls in last 10 years alone. Saints, Packers, Colts...

You mean the 2010 Packers? With, depending on how the stats were added up, had the 5th best defense in the NFL that year? That's how you win the Super Bowl. Get in as the 6th seed team as a Wildcard, and work your way through the palyoffs with a great QB and a D that makes stops! I believe they ended up close to the best in INTs, rushing yards allowed and lowest QB rating. If I remember correctly, the year before was the debacle with Arizona where it was almost 100 points. That is the last team with the ball wins. Without a D, it does not matter who is flinging the football, your chances are close to 50-50 for a win.

All things being equal, I'll take an average Def (ranked 12-18 inthe NFL) and a top five QB... but if you are near the bottom in defense ranking (packers), your stud QB will only take you so far. ie: the Packers. and yes, the Bengals game this year is a perfect example.

Good Luck!

Ken

[FISHINGURU]

Possibly the dumbest statement in this whole thread, and that's saying something. There is no level of football in which coverage gets better the longer a play runs. Period.

I agree, I was thinking someone should enter that statement in the most preposterous statement tourney.

[LMITOUT]

I think he was getting at if you don't produce in the regular season and playoffs you don't get into the Superbowl.

Pretty simple to understand, wasn't it?

I guess I'll have to dumb down my comments even more for Stuart Smalley to understand.

[DrJuice1980]

Youre right, theres no such thing as a coverage sack. Weird how those happen the longer a play drags on.