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Muthagoose

WPA's closed?

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fishadb

I wouldn't worry about it, just hunt

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Muthagoose

Thats what Im thinking...

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fishersofmen

What a joke. Good luck enforcing that one Lol.

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onthefly

Anyone been by WPAs? Are they posted as closed?

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strait-meat

I hunted WPA's this past weekend--nothing was closed---great hunting too!! No one was at any of them.

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onthefly

I guess in my mind, if it's not posted as closed I have to assume it's open. All the info floating around is pretty ambiguous. Not like the USFWS sent a letter to all waterfowl stamp buyers or anything.

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strait-meat

We paid for it--it's public--I hunted it. Civil disobedience should be practiced from time to time.

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BULLETBOB

We hunted more than one this weekend. No signs saying they were closed.

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harvey lee

There is one close to me and it does not say anything as far as staying out. I would hunt it if I was hunting something other than deer.

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walleye18

technically the WPA and WMA's are closed.

I was at a U.S. Fish and Game District office in ND last week (9/26/13) to get permission from the admin secretary there to hunt on the land her and her husband own.

When I was there she informed me that if the government were to shut down, all the WPA/WMA land that is federally managed would be closed.

Now....there were suppose to be signs put up...it never happened where I am at. The Fed. Game Wardens are still working thru this gov. shutdown too.

I say - hunt them. We "the people" own those lands.

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fishersofmen

I hunted WPA's this past weekend--nothing was closed---great hunting too!! No one was at any of them.

Me too. There were others where I was at but it was good hunting....

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strait-meat

There were no signs saying anything on any of the smaller ones. Now if it was like Sherbune Wildlife area or any of the really big ones you might have some gates closed.

Just hunt!

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carpshooterdeluxe

technically the WPA and WMA's are closed.

I was at a U.S. Fish and Game District office in ND last week (9/26/13) to get permission from the admin secretary there to hunt on the land her and her husband own.

When I was there she informed me that if the government were to shut down, all the WPA/WMA land that is federally managed would be closed.

Now....there were suppose to be signs put up...it never happened where I am at. The Fed. Game Wardens are still working thru this gov. shutdown too.

I say - hunt them. We "the people" own those lands.

WMA's are state owned and not affected by the shutdown.

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Eric Wettschreck

Took a bit of a drive today. All the WPA's around my place are sign free.

Go hunting.

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rbs

They might be sign free but a $178 ticket if you get caught hunting them. The wardens are watching them! Not trying to start anything because I was thinking the same thing as you guys. I guy I work with had a buddy bowhunting on one and got the ticket.

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onthefly

How can they ticket you if they aren't posted?

It's not in my regs book. I got no notification.

More likely, I think they'd just tell you to leave.

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TylerS

They might be sign free but a $178 ticket if you get caught hunting them. The wardens are watching them! Not trying to start anything because I was thinking the same thing as you guys. I guy I work with had a buddy bowhunting on one and got the ticket.

I'm not one to fight a ticket. Usually if I get hit for speeding or whatever, I pay the fine because it's easier than fighting.

HOWEVER, if I were to receive a ticket for hunting public land that I paid for with my duck stamp dollars, you can bet your patooty I'd fight it tooth and nail. It's just the principle of the thing. It's not right no matter how they spin it.

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CANOPY SAM

The wardens are watching them!

So they are officially closed to public use, but there is no formal public notification, and no signage indicating they are closed, but the wardens are watching and waiting to ticket people?

Wouldn't this be known as entrapment?

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James_R

Wouldn't this be known as entrapment?

They prefer the term 'enforcement'. It covers just about anything they want to do.

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jparrucci

Time for Dayton to grow a pair and tell the MN DNR to not enforce any Federal land laws.

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candiru

Time for Dayton to grow a pair and tell the MN DNR to not enforce any Federal land laws.

ND Game and Fish is saying flat out that they are not enforcing this.

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a47mlb

HOWEVER, if I were to receive a ticket for hunting public land that I paid for with my duck stamp dollars, you can bet your patooty I'd fight it tooth and nail. It's just the principle of the thing. It's not right no matter how they spin it.

You're tax dollars pay for the roads you drive on, but that doesn't give free reign to do whatever you want on them.

It's been pretty spotty coverage for getting the word out. I can't imagine that one fed officer is going to be able to post every WPA in multiple counties as Closed, but those reading and on this site do know that the WPA's are closed. So, you can go to court if cited, and when the judge asks you under oath if you knew the WPA's were closed, your answer would be "Yes your honor."

Just saying......

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James_R

You're tax dollars pay for the roads you drive on, but that doesn't give free reign to do whatever you want on them.

It's been pretty spotty coverage for getting the word out. I can't imagine that one fed officer is going to be able to post every WPA in multiple counties as Closed, but those reading and on this site do know that the WPA's are closed. So, you can go to court if cited, and when the judge asks you under oath if you knew the WPA's were closed, your answer would be "Yes your honor."Just saying......

..........It's not their land to close. We just pay them to manage it for us. Why do you assume that people will think they have free reign to do whatever they want to do on these lands? There's no Federal officers watching us in line at the supermarket yet people somehow manage to wait their turns at the checkout line in a civalized manner.

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CANOPY SAM

The decision to close the WPA's seems a little silly. Without the "non-essential" personnel to assist with policing every location, how can they even hope to enforce the closings?

The Natural Resources, and US Fish and Wildlife folks are already grossly underfunded and thinly dispersed. They have their hands full just following up on tip calls, following thru on open wildlife cases, and routine, everyday responsibilities.

If this is really a decision based on liability, I just don't see how it would make much difference if they were opened, or closed. If someone gets hurt or killed on federal or state land, and they (or the family) really has a mind to sue someone over it, what difference would it make if the property were open for use, or closed? Especially if they're not marked with any signage? They're going to sue either way.

I typically don't get involved in political discussions if I can help it, but this decision just seems ill thought out, and foolish, but I suppose that shouldn't come as a surprise from our current politicians.

Saw a poll was done on the local news last night. 800 people were asked if they could vote to completely eliminate every member of Congress, and replace them with new people, would they do it?

60% said they would!!! A majority of the US population agrees. We need to take our government back from these good ole' boys, and hire people that will actually do the job!

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onthefly

The core problem here is that they didn't make any reasonable effort to contact license holders, post signs at each location, or otherwise inform recreational users of the lands.

You can't pass a law and expect people to follow without communicating.

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jentz

AH but in a court of law>Ignorance of a law is no excuse.<I always had a hard time thinking that a monetary punishment was not the answer of not knowing a law.It has been argued and was on the short end and fines imposed.Now days with the internet THEY say (Whoever they are)its even lesser chance of not knowing a law!BUT how about people without internet or computers??? We just recently got beyond dialup connections and the wait to check laws is????Unreasonable!! Do they really expect everyone to have a computer along with reliable connections??? There's a court arguement! But the outcome will be ignorance of a law is no excuse!

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fishersofmen

I have been hunting wpa's along with many others and there are no wardens in sight as usual. If they really wanted to enforce this nonsense they could give out hundreds of tickets a weekend thus making a statement that it will not be tolerated. No doubt in my mind at least the vast majority of wardens could care less what the feds are saying.

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jentz

BUT Isn't this the first weekend its going to be enforceable??

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