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Do I contact the Police or CO??


sausageman

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Ok...I had enough, it's time for action. I fish a spot that a certain group fishes. They have a double eskimo hub shack. The last time I saw them set up on this spot I drove by and didn't pay too much attention. Well when I was drove off the river a few hours later, I noticed that they left a pile of garbage on the ice. So I stopped and picked it up. Basically, whatever they bring out to eat or drink is left on the ice plus whatever they have.

Today I was went out about 11:00AM and was driving by this spot and noticed another pile of garbage. Several cans, two broken shovels, general fishing trash, food packaging etc.

Again I stopped and picked up the trash, but this time I went to the nearest fish shack and started asking questions on who was fishing there. The guys in the nearest shack told me it was a couple with a kid in a double eskimo portable. The guys said they just left and they were driving a small honda or toyota sedan. I'm telling you these people are pigs!!

The next time I drive by and see them fishing this spot, I'm going to pay more attention and get a license plate number and report them. I plan on fishing nearby and when they leave their big pile of %$^$# on the ice, I'm reporting them. ENOUGH!!!

My question is this....who would be best to call to fine these people??? If you have a number that would be helpful also. I'm sick of this dump!!! Thanks SM

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pictures of a license plate and/or peoples faces and the resulting trash submitted to your local Sheriffs dept or Conservation Officer. Not sure how it works in WI so the Sheriff Dept might refer you directly to the CO.

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I have a 30x video camera that I might have to bring with me from now on. I can't believe that this group of fisherman thinks it OK to trash the river like they have been the last couple years.

Last year the same group was doing the exact same thing. Plastic shovels, mountain dew cans, sh$^...you name it. Everytime they fished there was a pile of rubble on the ice. Pretty sad. I may put fishing on hold and set up a video camera to get these people off the river.

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Metro East CO Contact:

(651) 582-1509

District 14

K370 Supervisor: LT Jason Peterson 651-460-8141

K371 Ham Lake Travis Muyres 763-571-2797 Anoka

K373 White Bear Lake Lisa Kruse 651-430-1189 Ramsey/Anoka

K374 Forest Lake Scott Arntzen 651-772-8594 Washington

K375 Maplewood Amber Peterson 763-464-9328 Ramsey/Washington

K376 Eagan Kevin Neitzke (temp) 651-463-3168 Dakota

K377 Hastings Patrick McGowan 651-463-0106 Dakota/Washington

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Sausage, Thanks a ton for being a stewerd of the river! It happens all over the state with ice season but when you know they are habitual repeat offenders and they set up in the same area it may be easier to do something about them. DTRO, thanks for aLL THE CONTACT NUMBERS! Great info to have on hand!

Tunrevir~

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I wish that usual DNR guy that's alway there would do something about it. I had a talk with him about the trash being left behind and all he said was did you help pick it up...of course I did! Even the law don't care too much, very frustrated! I guess people don't learn how to appreciate what they have and the future for their kids.

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Minnesota Turn in Poachers

Here is the DNR website link: MN DNR on-line TIP Report Form

Report a Violation

Do not use this form if the violation is currently in progress. Please contact us as soon as possible at

1-800-652-9093, or #TIP on your cell phone.

If you have witnessed a violation, please contact us via the phone numbers listed or if the information is not "time sensitive", complete this e-mail form. Calls are answered 24 hours a day by the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources - Enforcement Division or the Minnesota State Patrol. E-mail will be checked Monday-Friday 8:30 a.m. - 4:00 p.m.

Non "Time Sensitive" means that the nature of the complaint is informational and does not require an immediate response from an officer. Do not use this reporting method if evidence could be lost or if there is an immediate need to apprehend the violators or the chance that the violators will not be caught if there is not an immediate response.

To report a violation online, please fill out the form as completely as possible. The more information you provide, the easier it will be for a Conservation Officer to investigate.

Location is especially important, please include County and nearest Town to the violation.

These are key pieces of information. If you know the identity of the individual(s) committing the violation, please indicate their name(s) on the form.

PLEASE NOTE:

All violations reported via this Web site will be investigated, however, you need to insure you provide enough details in the report form so that a Conservation Officer has all the information needed.

Please indicate on the report form if it is all right for a Conservation Officer to contact you to follow up on any questions they might have.

Remember the Conservation Officer will know your e-mail address. If you wish to remain completely anonymous, you must contact TIP by phone.

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CALL 1-800-652-9093 IMMEDIATELY OR # TIP FROM A CELL PHONE.

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I was out there last wednesday and picked up a bunch of pop cans and 2 1lb propane tanks after a eskimo popup left. Wonder if it's the same slobs. Next time you see them, climb up on the hood of their car, drop your trousers, and leave a big ol' pile of "trash" right on their hood. Maybe they'll take a hint.

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I was out there last wednesday and picked up a bunch of pop cans and 2 1lb propane tanks after a eskimo popup left. Wonder if it's the same slobs. Next time you see them, climb up on the hood of their car, drop your trousers, and leave a big ol' pile of "trash" right on their hood. Maybe they'll take a hint.

You really get some strange threads on the St Croix forum. This one kind of got my attention. Why do I get an image in my head of someone with their buttocks frozen to a car hood ornament with a cartoon bubble saying "Is there a problem, officer?".

As far as "Maybe they'll take a hint" - I think something a little more subtle would be appropriate. But, what the heck - do what you gotta do!

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Ok...I think I have a plan. As I mentioned earlier, I have a video camera with a 30x optical zoom and a 120x digital zoom.

Will there be any legal issues if I set up my portable near a high concentration of "eskimo portables" and video tape the people, their portables, their faces, and their vehicles? If they pick up after themselves, great!!!! However, if they pack up and leave trash on the ice, I will have video of that also.

I will then post it on youtube, for all to see and also to aid in their arrest for littering.

Do any FM'ers see a problem with this approach??? Any suggestions???

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Do any FM'ers see a problem with this approach??? Any suggestions???

You might want to call one of these metro area MN Conservation Officers and talk to them first. They could probably offer some good advice. K374 Forest Lake Scott Arntzen 651-772-8594 Washington

K375 Maplewood Amber Peterson 763-464-9328 Ramsey/Washington

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For sure talk to the CO first. Give them the info you have so far and ask what else you can do to help catch these guys.

I'm not sure I'd sit out there and video tape every single person with an Eskimo pop up shelter.

If you happen to be out there and you see the group who you suspect is the culprit then I'd get a few pictures of the car/license and a few photos of the people. If they end up leaving with all the garbage on the ice again pass all the info along to the CO. If you are able to get some video as well I would just pass that along to the CO as well. There is no benefit to posting it to youtube, not sure if it opens you up to any legal issues but there's really no reason to test it since there is nothing to be gained by doing it.

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I placed a few calls into the various CO's and am waiting for a response.

The only reason I singled out the eskimo portable is because that is the type of fish houses that some of the litter bugs I'm dealing with are fishing out of. No other reason.

Tell me who won't get mad after picking up piles and piles of trash that other people leave on the ice?

Posting on youtube is a way to expose these litter bugs. How come people can post video of tresspassers everyday on youtube....but can't post video of people who are breaking the law by littering??

Here's an idea, don't leave trash on the ice and I won't film you. My anger isn't directed at you Nofish.

I'm very interested in seeing what the CO officers have to say.

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You could always just bag up their litter. Then when you see them again you can return all their "lost items"

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Posting on youtube is a way to expose these litter bugs. How come people can post video of tresspassers everyday on youtube....but can't post video of people who are breaking the law by littering??

Your anger is 100% justified. I think you are doing a great job not only cleaning up after them but also trying to collect enough evidence to put an end to it once and for all (hopefully).

As far as the youtube thing goes, you are probably right in that from a legal stand point you should be fine. It would also expose the guilty party but my only question is what good what that exposure do? Odds are the guilty party would never even see the video, without knowing they are exposed there behavior would never change.

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Well Sausageman.....oops! I guess now we know what will happen. Thanks for being a good steward anyway. I just wish we had a better description of the perps.

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" I just wish we had a better description of the perps"

Dear Mearnquail (the Agitator)

Using common sense in this day and age??? Outrageous!!

Signed your clipped comrade -Kzar

PS Still waiting for a response from the CO's.

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How can anyone be so thoughtless & stupid to leave ANY trash on a lake or river?

Where are their brains? [PoorWordUsage] me off every time I see this.

Way to go for standing up & not taking it anymore!

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I can relate to Sausagemans disdain for these folks. I have helped with the Forest Lake cleanup each year it has been held and you can pick up a ton of stuff off the ice surface each year. One suggestion is to take the lisc info off the shack and foreward that to the CO. That is pretty specific to the house and gives them a good way to track these folks down. If there isn't lisc info on the shack they are in violation and could get ticketed for that as well to add to the littering fine. Just a thought.

Tunrevir~

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Tunrevir

Getting info of the shack is fine.... but wouldn't getting them on video packing up their shacks and leaving a pile of trash on the ice be the most damning and effective way of dealing with this???

Posting the video on youtube and then linking it here would show fellow FM'ers who is trashing our river. Maybe....just maybe it will get enough people involved to make a difference.

If we continue down the PC route, this growing problem will never be addressed.

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Posting the video on youtube and then linking it here would show fellow FM'ers who is trashing our river. Maybe....just maybe it will get enough people involved to make a difference.

Note the bold text above. The "who" you have noted will convey the wrong message if the video is posted here in HSO and I guarantee you as soon as it's posted, it will be gone. There are certain details that have no place/no business being posted in the forums and only bear any relevance when talking to the CO and offering a description.

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I hate pigs on the ice ...make sure you get them but keep in mind theres hundreds of eskimos out on ice. I dont want dirty looks just because im in an eskimo

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You are on public property in a public place and can film a. nything you dam well please. Good luck. Litterbugs are the scum of the earth right up there with skybusting flockshooters and idiots that don't use their turn signal!

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Hey SM could you record and track the folks that are doing donuts and 50+mph by the ice road? If you want to put your own life in danger im fine with that but they are putting others in danger also. These guys are speeding past trucks and shacks.

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There are countless trucks driving so fast close to people especially up by the high lines. They are either newbs or just rude idiots.

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I would go with idiots! I would think common sense would tell one not too, but I guess common sense is rare these days for many.

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cprguy

This thread is not about labeling a certain type of portable shack, it's about calling attention to the growing problem of people littering on the river and what can be done about it.

I'm sitting here licking my wounds for being reprimanded on a fishing forum for wanting to video known "litter bugs" on the river and share this information with other FM'ers.

However, any attempt to share this information would be deleted because "it would send the wrong message".

Really?? Send the wrong message to who???? To people of all ethnicities that don't want trash spewed on the ice of our metro lakes and rivers??

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My personal opinion is that any evidence (photos, videos, etc) gathered should be only be a tool for the investigating authorities. Sure, you can put these guys on trial of public opinion, but at what cost?

ALL guilty by association? What if there is a friend or relative that just happens to be along for the first time or someone just happens to stop by and chat now his/her face is on this video and associated as a litterer for as long as the video remains public. Not to mention, once you put a video out on a public server, you no longer have any control over it. In other words, you decide enough is enough and take the video down, but at that point, who has shared it, who has copied it, who has EDITED it???

I understand your frustration and anger, I feel the same way every time I see a pile of trash on the ice (as do most of us I’m sure) but if it were me, I’d document this activity and pass it on to the CO. Give them a chance to deal with it first.

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