Dog attacked by Wolves during Grouse hunting

[Mearnsquail]

I've posted this on other hunting sites as well but since these wolves have obviously no fear of man or dog, every wolf sighting or encounter needs to be followed up by a gunshot. I don't mean shooting directly at them to kill, although thats fine too. They need to know if they hear a person or a dog beeper, it means danger, not dinner.

[FCspringer]

Brittman where did you get the info on the DNR, I was unhappy to hear they let some go just north of me 15 miles. I think the population should be 0. Coyotes are bad enough. This whole plan was stupid of them to begin with. If they want deer down all they need is management tags Given away. This wolf thing is going to get worse. History tells us that and the people back in the day got rid of them for a reason. Keep the dam things in Yellowstone.

I would rather see more Moose and Elk in MN to have a better chance at hunting one of them Fair Chase.

[Mudflap]

Matt,

Watch what you say...I grew up in Nymore, until my Dad got a job.

I didn't plan to start a wolf debate with posting this. The same thing could have happen with a bear as far as I'm concerned. I just want hunters to be away there is danger around the corner.

I happened to walk into a juvenile wolf pack feeding frenzy and the they were in the zone. There was a 7 second window where I thought my dog was toast. There was a 1 second window where I thought I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I was 15 feet of ground zero with an empty gun.

My Dog has lost 10 lbs incident so I took here in this morning. She has an infection in her ear wound and Anaplasmosis.

[SpitnArgueDuckClub*]

+1

I think they are cool as heck too. However, I wouldn't hesitate one minute to put lead in one if I, someone else, or my pet was under attack or imminent danger. I think I would pretty much skip the warning shot, as well.

Glad to hear your dog is ok!

The above would mean that (outside of hunters) everyone walking, running or biking the many trails around the Itasca State Park would have to be armed should they encounter a wolf or wolves that do not run at the sight, sound or smell of a human. When these encounters of wolves not being "afraid" and being within yards of people become more frequent the need for a wolf season or a rethinking of wolf reintroduction programs should be addressed. I just hope it does not take a tragedy to prompt action.

[SpitnArgueDuckClub*]

Matt,

Watch what you say...I grew up in Nymore, until my Dad got a job.

I didn't plan to start a wolf debate with posting this. The same thing could have happen with a bear as far as I'm concerned. I just want hunters to be away there is danger around the corner.

I happened to walk into a juvenile wolf pack feeding frenzy and the they were in the zone. There was a 7 second window where I thought my dog was toast. There was a 1 second window where I thought I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I was 15 feet of ground zero with an empty gun.

My Dog has lost 10 lbs incident so I took here in this morning. She has an infection in her ear wound and Anaplasmosis.

I am truly glad that you are ok and your dog is ok as well. I for one am doubtful that the same could have happened with a bear, bears have been in Minnesota longer than the wolf and with a bear season, the number of bear incidents do not even come close to the wolf incidents. Bears may be classified a predators just like a wolf, but wolves are certainly wired differently and are way more aggressive.

[Jack Peterson]

Amen.

[JayinMN]

Mudflap, I hope everything goes alright with your dog. My dog just finished the last of her antibiotics and her puncture mark has quit seeping so she should be good to go. I wish the best for you dog as well.

[walleye101]

Bears will do anything they can to get some distance from a dog. Bear hounds have to catch one on the ground to get one to fight, and then it's self defense.

Wolves are the opposite. As I said, the attack you described was no chance encounter.They will seek out, confront and attempt to kill any dog they detect in their area. That is why hounds are particularly vulnerable. Open trailing hounds on a track will bring any wolves within hearing distance like a dinner bell.

[caseymcq]

...I think the population should be 0. ... I would rather see more Moose and Elk in MN to have a better chance at hunting one of them Fair Chase.

[FCspringer]

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Exterminating wolves wouldn't result in more moose or elk in the state. Deer are the problem there.

The reason was people were ignorant and as a result scared. Not real good reasons to eliminate an entire species from an area.

[houndsman]

Back in September a friend of mine was in a UKC nite hunt up by Bemidji and wolves came in and killed his dog right on the spot and injured another. If I can dig up the pics i will post on here.

[houndsman]

Click on the link to get pictures and the story this was my friends dog.

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[skee0025]

What is a UKC hunt and why are you not allowed to be armed during one?

[FCspringer]

Nope I used to run night hunts, we never had guns ever. The coon are not shot just treed. And you are usually quite a ways from the dog, they have to stay treed for 5 minutes before you can go in. Rules. So wolves could have allot of time to harm a hound.

[walleye101]

I am aware of that incident. The hunt was near Foston. That was a really nice Walker Hound that was killed. These are not chance encounters, wolves will seek out and try to kill any dog in their range. And with wolf density this high it is hard to find a spot in Northern MN that is not within ear shot of a wolf.

[Loose]

Buddy of mine had a wolf follow him to his deer stand and circle his stand look up at him in the tree and walk away last weekend up by Ogilvy

[caseymcq]

Think What ya want ,then there is reality. If you want to manage deer just give free tags, people do use the bonus tags now so a free one would certainly get used. They could even extend season in those areas...

[mxzfire]

Glad to hear your dog was ok. At my buddies cabin in Wi. his neighbor lost 2 dogs to a wolf attack a little over a year ago.

[germanshorthairs]

I have a friend by Bemidji that had wolves eating his sheep. He called the DNR, they came out and said it was coyotes. Green light for him to shoot the Coyotes-(Largest coyotes he has ever seen) I just hope no young child gets hurt or killed by this overpopulated species.

[DIESELDAN]

I think anyone who sees a wolf and is holding a gun should put the fear of god in them and teach them to really fear humans by putting a shot very near them. Yea I know they were here first, were encroaching on there turf bla bla bla I think they need to REALLY fear man and run the other way if they so much as think a man is near. The story of the wolf walking around the deer stand and looking up at the hunter in the tree if it were me that wolf would have a peirced ear about the size of a 300 win mag slug. Open a season on them and all the bold ones will be gone, that would cut down on dog and livestock killings.

[Friar_Tuck]

I just hope no young child gets hurt or killed by this overpopulated species.

fear the human race killing & hurting children moreso than wolves. seriously, who is the worst offender BY FAR of the two, humans or wolves. its always woe is me the human, which are bunch of whiny spoiled cry baby brats. wolves hunting for survival vs humans hunting for sport. your in their territory which is an assumed risk. this all sounds just like hysteria of kill all the sharks, sharks are evil yet humans are swimming in the ocean.

minnesota human population ='s 5,266,214 MILLION that is.

wolf population a few thousand or so.

is it a wolf problem or a people problem? i'd rather see something done about our over populated species then the miniscule population of natural predators compared.

[germanshorthairs]

I guess I just value human life(my kids) over animal life. I don't fear wolves I can protect myself my children cannot!

[setterguy]

Friar - I'm pretty sure that I haven't read anywhere on this thread about a suggestion of killing all the wolves. The fact of the matter is that wolves which are a dangerous animal are in fact losing fear of humans. The proximity at which these attacks to people are coming is proof enough.

I love wolves, always have. Had Brandenburg pictures up in my room till I was married. I would never hunt them for sport, but on the flip side, wouldn't hesitate for a second to take one out if it were threatening me or anyone in my family and yes my dogs are part of our family.

You live in Southern MN, a lot of the responses are coming from guys in the area where these things live. Those are the opinions I trust the most. If Mountain lions took up residence in your backyard and attacked your dog or god forbid child you would be ok with it? Just a cat being a cat? I doubt it.

I don't think anyone on here has a personal dislike for the animals in general. Just a feeling that there are starting to be a few too many. The fact of the matter is that there are lots of people, and when animals start hurting them, I'm on the peoples side every time.

[houndsman]

If you had to live around wolves or if you have ever lost livestock or any animal to a wolf you would be signing a different tune. Its pretty obvoius that you live no were around wolfs.

fear the human race killing & hurting children moreso than wolves. seriously, who is the worst offender BY FAR of the two, humans or wolves. its always woe is me the human, which are bunch of whiny spoiled cry baby brats. wolves hunting for survival vs humans hunting for sport. your in their territory which is an assumed risk. this all sounds just like hysteria of kill all the sharks, sharks are evil yet humans are swimming in the ocean.

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is it a wolf problem or a people problem? i'd rather see something done about our over populated species then the miniscule population of natural predators compared.

[walleye101]

is it a wolf problem or a people problem? i'd rather see something done about our over populated species then the miniscule population of natural predators compared.

That is an interesting perspective Tuck. I would like to hear exactly what you would like done about our overpopulated species.

Sorry, had to edit that last comment.

[caseymcq]

Friar - I'm pretty sure that I haven't read anywhere on this thread about a suggestion of killing all the wolves. ...

[Friar_Tuck]

Friar -

I love wolves, always have. Had Brandenburg pictures up in my room till I was married. I would never hunt them for sport, but on the flip side, wouldn't hesitate for a second to take one out if it were threatening me or anyone in my family and yes my dogs are part of our family.

You live in Southern MN, a lot of the responses are coming from guys in the area where these things live. Those are the opinions I trust the most. If Mountain lions took up residence in your backyard and attacked your dog or god forbid child you would be ok with it? Just a cat being a cat? I doubt it.

I don't think anyone on here has a personal dislike for the animals in general. Just a feeling that there are starting to be a few too many. The fact of the matter is that there are lots of people, and when animals start hurting them, I'm on the peoples side every time.

i'm not saying one shouldn't act if its a last resort or seriously threatening. i haven't always lived here & used to scuba dive in waters where maneaters were apart of the ecosystem there. i assumed the risk and if i were killed, it was my choice to venture where i did. hiked in mountains where there were cougar & bear, again i assumed the risk and the last thing i would want personally if i were killed is that animal destroyed.

if i lived in wolf territory, i would coexist and take all the necessary precautions. high wire fence with hot wire if necessary and own certain breeds of dogs that are specifically designed as guards against wolves. kids are the adults responsibility. if a kid gets killed because of your open yard and was unsupervised, its human error.

not saying its sad for a persons pet or family to get harmed. but life is life also. there are a countless ways to be harmed or die in the world. we can only do our best to take the necessary precautions we can without wiping out or outlawing anything & everything that can harm us.

p.s walleye101 i seen your comment before it was edited. i have done my part with not choosing to have kids for that very reason. theres 6.7 billion humans on this planet which has over doubled since 1960 and growing. you can only put so many fish in a fish bowl then things start to go very wrong, in many ways countless things in the world already have and will continue too. humans are selfish, short sighted & have no foresight. balance is a lost concept in the human race.

[walleye101]

p.s walleye101 i seen your comment before it was edited. i have done my part with not choosing to have kids for that very reason. theres 6.7 billion humans on this planet which has over doubled since 1960 and growing. you can only put so many fish in a fish bowl then things start to go very wrong, in many ways countless things in the world already have and will continue too. humans are selfish, short sighted & have no foresight. balance is a lost concept in the human race.

I apologize for that comment. It was inappropriate and properly edited out. If you read my earlier posts you will see that I have not advocated for eradication of the species, only some reasonable reduction in population density that would greatly reduce the frequency of wolf attacks on dogs which are becoming fairly common in northern MN. The danger to humans is minuscule at best and should never have entered the discussion.

Managing the population at 1/2 the current density for example, would result in far more than a 50% reduction in wolf/dog, or wolf/livestock incidents. The remaining wolf population would naturally gravitate to the best wolf habitat in the more isolated core wolf range, large undeveloped tracts of public lands and wilderness areas. The portion of the wolf population that would be most affected by population management would be those packs and dispersing juveniles that have been forced to the fringe of prime wolf habitat. That is where most of the conflicts occur, where wolves are forced into unnaturally close proximity to man.

Until you are successful in some serious human population reduction that is reality. The issue has gone well beyond the biological question of how large and how far can the wolf population expand, and is now a social question of how many serious wolf conflicts are we willing to tolerate.

[Harmonica Bear]

Huh????

Compared to who? Aliens?

[brittman]

Friar - I always like it when someone says they chose not to have kids. Natural selection working well.

That said, there are plenty of couples out there are not so lucky and cannot have children and that is sad.

The poor, the uneducated and ignorant continue to breed and populate the earth like (well rabbits) at an alarming rate, while the educated and economically stable only have a few children ... produces a bimodal population distribution that is going in the wrong direction.

Wolves. The current MN population is at DOUBLE the goal of 1500 animals. Why not allow hunting to control popluation and generate income for the DNR. Bears are managed that way.

I propose that below Hwy 2/200 that wolves are unprotected and no quota on kills. To the north they are managed with a popluation goal of 1500 animals.