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You guys are MAKING MY POINT!

Walleye guy says, "While Fisk was a great catcher. Mauer will end up being better."

Note the tense, if Fisk was a great catcher and is retired it stands to reason that he still is a great catcher since he does not play. You go on to say Mauer will end up being better. Future tense that is totally unpredictable, just ask the families of Thurmun Munson or Roberto Clemente or even Gayle Sayers.

My point is that I belive that while Mauer "may" someday prove to be better as his career enters into its mid state and end state that as of today he would not be the "greatest catcher the game has ever seen". I think I got you guys on this one, sorry!

Um

didnt clemente play 18 seasons?

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I give up. In 12 years we can compare notes on Mauer vs. Fisk. I feel pretty good about Mauer's chances.

I don't think anybody said Mauer is the greatest catcher ever. Could he be? Maybe. Time will tell. All I know is that Carlton Fisk isn't the greatest catcher ever. Was he good? Yes. Was he great? Yes. Best ever. No. The guy behind the plate for the Big Red Machine was better.

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Micky COchrane of the A's who hit .320 for his life,, has to be in the mix. .320 compared to .267 or .269 is a WORLD of differnce over a lifetime. Everyone is forgetting about PUdge. Look at his #'s agst Bench and Fisk.

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Plus Pudge rarely misses a game. One of the main reasons why I wish the Twins would have looked into getting him here as a DH and parttime catcher.

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You guys have forgotten Yogi Berra. Lifetime avg. .285, 2120 games, 2150 hits, 358 hr. 15 time all star, mvp 3 times, and 14 world series. When Boy Joey closes in on these records, if he does then rank him as one of the best.

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Mike Piazza March 2009

Reportedly Used: Unknown

The Story: Piazza reportedly admitted that he used performance enhancing drugs to at least one unnamed reporter. Long rumored to have used steroids, at least two former players were quoted as saying they were sure that Piazza used. Former New York Times reporter, Murray Chass, said that he had been aware of Piazza's severe back acne (a common side-effect of using steroids) and that it cleared up in 2004 when MLB instituted its first testing program with penalties. Piazza was named most significantly in Jeff Pearlman's book, The Rocket That Fell To Earth.

Ivan Rodriguez February 2005

Reportedly Used: Steroids (Deca-Durabolin and/or Winstrol, Testosterone), Human Growth Hormone

The Story: In Juiced, Jose Canseco claims to have educated Rodriguez, along with Rafael Palmeiro and Juan Gonzalez, about steroids when they were teammates in Texas. He subsequently claims to have acquired steroids on behalf of all three before personally injecting each of them ‘many times.’ Canseco says all three used a combination of HGH and steroids (Deca-Durabolin and/or Winstrol) and ‘a small dose’ of injectable testosterone.

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Just to set the record straight. I have used steroids in the past and that is the only reason I caught 165 rainbow trout on Carp lake out in BC.

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Pudge is one of the guys who I look at and say he most certainly had to have been on roids. He's 5'9" 190 lbs now; I believe they said he lost like 20-30 lbs the year they started testing. For that little guy to hit 35 HR's in 1999 and 27 in 2000 (in only 91 games), in the heat that he played Catcher in Texas, something had to have been going on. Plus he played with Juan Gonzalez (obvious user), Ken Caminitti, Canseco, Palmeiro...pretty obvious.

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Walleye Guy,

You must have missed a few entries of this thread. Here is a quote from Zamboni from Sept 5th on this thread.

"Mauer is a better catcher however, and overall Mauer is the best catcher the game has ever known, but don't say Piazza was bad- he wasn't."

That is what is keeping this God Awfully boring thread alive. I just threw up Pudge Fisk as ONE of the catchers in baseball who is better than Mauer right now since he only has 5 seasons under his belt. I NEVER said Fisk was the greatest as I know of a handful of others who could be thrown into the mix.

I mearly used him to illustrate my point which is falling on many deaf ears here in Twinky Land. Mauer MAY one day get there but HE AIN'T THERE YET!

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So he has to be retired before he can crowned the king? People called Earnhardt Sr the greatest before he retired (in his case he was killed) so why can't you do that with Mauer?

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Walleye Guy,

You must have missed a few entries of this thread. Here is a quote from Zamboni from Sept 5th on this thread.

"Mauer is a better catcher however, and overall Mauer is the best catcher the game has ever known, but don't say Piazza was bad- he wasn't."

That is what is keeping this God Awfully boring thread alive. I just threw up Pudge Fisk as ONE of the catchers in baseball who is better than Mauer right now since he only has 5 seasons under his belt. I NEVER said Fisk was the greatest as I know of a handful of others who could be thrown into the mix.

I mearly used him to illustrate my point which is falling on many deaf ears here in Twinky Land. Mauer MAY one day get there but HE AIN'T THERE YET!

Okay then

Emmitt Smith is better than Walter Payton

right?

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Zamboni,

I only have four words left for you and they are from a wise man named Ron White....You Can't Fix Stupid!

End of arguement. I would venture to say that in a poll taken in every state other than Minnesota that if you asked people to name the GREATEST CATCHER OF ALL TIME in baseball that the name of Joe Mauer would come up about as often as AJ! You just can't see the forest for the trees can you? All you have to do is change your tense and everything you say MAY be correct. I guess if Tyler Flowers of the Sox who is a rookie call up goes to bat in his first game and goes 4 for 4 at the plate and throws out 3 of 3 runners attempting to steal then we can extrapolate that into the GREATEST CATCHER OF ALL TIME, right?

Get real dude, I know you are not that dense.

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Windy-- the point is,, not one catcher in the hisory of MLB has had a start to MLB career like MAUER. Some have had more HR's yes, more RBi's yes--- but not AVG,HITS, OBP. And he's won 2 (maybe 3) silver slugger awards, never done by a catcher, in the first 5-6 years. Best catcher ever?? Not now,, but as each AB goes by with a hit or BB,, you're looking at JOe MAuer. Helps, also that he is so young.

Yogi Berra-- that's like comparing JOhn Buck to Jorge Posada.

Yogi Berra played on some the of the greatest teams sports has ever seen. Yogi was a good hitter, but avg/ catcher at best.

Think of what MAuer, or AJ or PUdge would have hit with the Bronx Bombers??

That's why guys like Micky Cohchrane and Gabby hartnett have to be looked at in the top 5.--- DEF added.

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Zamboni,

I only have four words left for you and they are from a wise man named Ron White....You Can't Fix Stupid!

End of arguement. I would venture to say that in a poll taken in every state other than Minnesota that if you asked people to name the GREATEST CATCHER OF ALL TIME in baseball that the name of Joe Mauer would come up about as often as AJ! You just can't see the forest for the trees can you? All you have to do is change your tense and everything you say MAY be correct. I guess if Tyler Flowers of the Sox who is a rookie call up goes to bat in his first game and goes 4 for 4 at the plate and throws out 3 of 3 runners attempting to steal then we can extrapolate that into the GREATEST CATCHER OF ALL TIME, right?

Get real dude, I know you are not that dense.

O really?

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Thank you Mud! And I fully agree with you. Best ever? NOT YET! That was my only point that these intellectually challenged people just don't seem to get.

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