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Posted

so there kwkfsh
What dealer do you work at? You seem like a typical used boat sales jockey..

These statements are typical; I will quote you here.

"if you are not in the market for a boat please do not waste their time at the show."

People come to the boat show to learn about the type of boats, new stuff and make a proper decision, now in my opinion I want to ask the salesman ever question I can before buy a boat,in your mind you are calling this "wasting your time," but in my mind I am the customer that will be supporting your income and you call this wasting your time..
Sounds like sales have been kind of down in your business and you should reconsider your future, and your career if people are wasting your time..

The first thing people should do before buying a boat is select the proper catagory of boater you want to become.
a. Recreation/ ski.
b. Fishing


After that you should consider what type of water your boat in going to be on.
A. rough water such as mille lacs. St. Croix
or
B. Calm water a place with minimal boat traffic.

Posted

WW, you should reread my post and your quote.

Quite honestly if you are not in the market for a boat, go get your questions answered at the dealership. I also stated that I was talking about shooting the breeze and BS'ing. You are reading something into this that I did not say.

If you are buying a boat you have every right to have every question you can think of answered. grin.gif

Posted

Your comments can only be the words of a salesjockey, which horse are you ridding next?

Posted

Whiskey, I guess I am not sure what got your undies in such a bundle. I was trying to point out several things that people sometimes overlook when shopping for a boat.

1. Don't make the lowest price your only criteria. Make sure you are comparing apples to apples. The bitter taste of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of a low price is gone.
2. Make sure that all things being equal you go with the dealer that can and will provide you with the best service.
3. If you tell the salesperson you are only looking don't be miffed if they leave to help someone who is in the market for a new boat.
4. Be honest with the salesperson so he can find out such things as where and how the boat is to be used. What type of fishing you do and how many people you will be carrying.

I offered these tips to hopefully help people out and turn their dream into their dream boat and not a nightmare. grin.gif

Posted

Hmm. I work selling furniture and get paid on commission. A boat and a housefull of furniture are both high-ticket items, so I'm gonna weigh in here - although I have never bought or sold a boat...yet.

Yes, by all means be honest with the salesperson. Tell them what you are there for and then evaluate them according to their response to you. I will be attending a boat show or two this year for research - because at a boat show I will have several dealers and manufacturer's representatives together under one roof. I will PAY AN ADMISSION FEE TO THE FACILITY and as such expect to recieve information. I will tell the salesperson or rep that I am doing preliminary research. If they choose to speak with me and answer my questions courteously, then I may purchase a boat from them eventually. I will certainly eliminate the ones who treat me with disdain because I am not "givin' it up" right then and there and not only overlook them on the way back from the bank, but tell my friends about it, too.

Some people really are "just looking" and some use "just looking" as a cross & garlic to ward off salesvampires. A professional salesperson can ask a few qualifying questions and figure out exactly where they stand with that prospective customer - "just looking" or otherwise.

I don't know how many attendees of boat shows actually purchase a boat and when - but it's gotta be a higher concentration than boat purchases among say...garden club conventioneers.

Respect the salesperson's trade - but don't think for a minute that you are an imposition - you are a paying customer of that boat show - which is a trade show - which is an opportunity for people who make and sell boats to reach many, many prospective customers - including you.

Here's some good boat show tips -
-write your cell-phone number on your kids' arms in case you get seperated
-carry a water bottle
-pack your own lunch
-bring a back-pack for literature 'cause the booth giving away plastic tote-bags might not be near the entrance
-have fun. I'm not a potential Ranger customer - but you can bet I'll be sitting in a couple with that far-away look in my eyes.

Peace,
Rob


Posted

kwkfsh-

I don't(in my opinion)think you have any grounds to tell people not to look, inquire, compare, inspect, price, kick tires, BS, or whatever else.

In advance, I am not attacking, undies in a bundle, bad day, or just being a jerk towards you, just making an observation, to which I'm sure you will not agree.

Do me one favor and step back and put yourself in the other persons view and read your post, then read your ads.

I was just looking at some of the ads that you have posted in the under $150.00 forum.

On 12-13-03 you posted-
cordless drill kit 3/8" w/free
collectors knife.
14.4 volt with a bunch of thrown in
stuff.

On 12-21-03 you posted-
Brand New Leather Bomber Jacket
insulated w/embroidered hunting
logo on chest. $50.00
Fleece jacket or blaze orange Big
game hunting vest, ALSO thrown in.

Does this sound familiar-(from your post)

"The lowest price is not necessarily your best deal
There are a number of ways to cut corners on a boat package. Rigging, props, batteries, cables, setup etc.
If you find a low price check with a higher priced dealer and see what the difference really is between the 2
If a dealer if selling at a very low price he has to make it up in volume and after working at numerous marine dealerships I can assure you that aftersale service is equivalent to the price paid. The lowest price dealer may well be more concerned with pushing product out the door than service after the sale."

I'm in the trades and use "HILTI","Panasonic","Bosch" and other quailty tools.

What was the brand of drill you are selling?

Brand of Bomber jacket YOU were selling(REPRESENTING)?

I hope you don't take this as a personal attack, but it sounds like to me that you are trying to sell discount merchandise for profit.

I have not seen your products, but I'm guessing that they are not a great value.

Try an online auction for that- Again, just an objective opinion.

If I am wrong, and they are, I would be willing to test them out "on the job site" and report back and eat my words if I am mistaken.


I have purchased a few things from the forum, being new from this site, or an honest sportsman, with an item for sale because they want to upgrade, divorce, debts, or just not needed anymore. That's the guy I want to be dealing with.

I hope this is taken constructively, and not in vain.

Be safe, have fun, and ask for forgiveness!
RR4

Posted

Boat show tips

Here are some tips for you people that are going to be shopping for new boat this spring.

The lowest price is not necessarily your best deal
There are a number of ways to cut corners on a boat package. Rigging, props, batteries, cables, setup etc.
If you find a low price check with a higher priced dealer and see what the difference really is between the 2
If a dealer if selling at a very low price he has to make it up in volume and after working at numerous marine dealerships I can assure you that aftersale service is equivalent to the price paid. The lowest price dealer may well be more concerned with pushing product out the door than service after the sale.

The sales people are not there to BS, they are there to help people purchase new boat packages
I am sure many of you have been to a Boat Show and have felt insulted when a salesperson ignored you after you mentioned you were not in the market for a new boat. Well get over it! Many marine dealers will do up to 25% of their entire year’s business at the Boat Show. They simply do not have time to shoot the breeze. They do not come to your job and BS about fishing when you are trying to work do they! This is how the salespeople pay the mortgage and feed their children so if you are not in the market for a boat please do not waste their time at the show. That’s what the dealers showroom is for, plus the coffees free.

Both deals look the same how do I decide who to buy from?
Two of the most important things after the sale are convenience and quality of service. A dealer who is 20 miles from your home or work is a lot more convenient than one who is 150 miles away. Sure you can purchase from far away and have your local dealer service it. I can assure you when it is busy during peak season the local dealer is going to get his customers back on the water before he even looks at yours. How do tell if you are going to get quality service? Look at the dealer’s service facility. You can sometimes get good service from a rundown dirty shop, however you will almost always be assured of good service from a clean, well lit, well laid out, modern shop. When in doubt visit the shop. I personally would rather drive a longer distance to get good service than to get crappy service close to home.

Be honest-Do not lie!!!!!!!
Here is where I will get some heat. I have seen here and on other forums how people felt they were treated badly by a salesperson. I would be willing to bet that in most of those cases that the first thing you did was to lie to that salesperson. That’s right I said lie. Just think about it, if you are looking to purchase a new boat package and the salesperson asks if you are in the market for a new boat. “ No just looking “ That’s a lie!!!
How can you possibly expect someone to be concerned about and look out for the best interests of someone who lied to him or her the very first time they opened their mouth? Also when you say “just looking” you might as well forget asking what the best price is. People who are just looking do not get the best price ever! The best price is reserved for those who are looking to buy and ready to buy now! Be honest, be respected, get a great deal!

Enjoy the Show, Check out the service you may well need it, Don’t let price be your only criteria,
And remember the salespeople are there to help you out and have never bitten anyone. grin.gifgrin.gif

Posted

I wonder if he has Receipts for those items?

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