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Maximum12

...and now Blackburn yanked early...

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Maximum12

My wife looked at me oddly when I started cursing, seeing Blackburn in the dugout to start the 7th inning. Gee, wonder why?

Has f-ing Gardenhire been watching the past week? Does he realize the bullpen is imploding? And he's getting a good start to potentially give them some rest?

I am so sick of the Tom Kelly theory of pitching. Leave the starter in if he's rolling. Quit with the rigorous application of the 100 pitch rule. I'm so p-ed off when shoddy management puts a game in jeopardy.

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SledNeck

pitchers only last so long anyway. Sometimes you need to sacrifice their precious arms for the good of the team. Let them boys pitch.

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Jim Uran

eventually you have to start trusting your bullpen. He has to let them pitch through the slump. It is frustrating, a couple of years ago once the pen came in it was game over and now it's scary when they come in.

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DonBo

a couple of years ago once the pen came in it was game over and now it's scary when they come in.

Couple years ago? Was just a few weeks ago. I think they will come around soon. Too many good arms in there to get too excited just yet. Was hopeing Boof would do well there. Hasn't happened outside of his first appearance, Rincon hasn't been worth a [email protected]*n since he quit taking steroids. The rest are pretty solid. Crain has been real good lately.

I still think the team as a whole has gone WAY past my expectations for the year.

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only ice

Max Im with u!! Havent had to much rest for the bull pen in a few weeks.When you get a pitcher on a roll leave him in!! It may have worked out ok, but thats not the problem. Our bull pen needs a good rest.

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tisosy11

Yeah, but you aren't going to see twins pitchers pitching farther into games. For one we have an extreemly young starting staff and he doesn't want their pitch counts to exceed to big of numbers.

This is a growing year. Let guys like Slowey, Perkins, Gomez, Young, Blackburn grow into big league ball players!

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Wookiee

Why are these young pitchers such big wimps? I mean did genetics deteriorate so much over 30 years they can't throw more than a hundred pitches? Give me Jim Kaat, Camilo Pascual, Dean Chance, Jim Perry, Mudcat Grant and Bert Blyleven any day over these pansies. What the heck happened? I don't understand and tired arm bologna. Looked at the innings pitched comparison at the same ages they smoked them. I don't understand. I am done now. That was my Clark Griswold for the day.

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RJ

We make the same comments about Jim Leyland. Throwing a shutout doesn't matter. I disagree with pulling them early, but I also hope the managers know more about it than I do.

BTW, Our Tigers have caught Cleveland, and are two behind you guys. Playing pretty well.

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DonBo

BTW, Our Tigers have caught Cleveland, and are two behind you guys. Playing pretty well.

Yea, uhmmm, good luck with that! grin

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tisosy11

Why are these young pitchers such big wimps? I mean did genetics deteriorate so much over 30 years they can't throw more than a hundred pitches? Give me Jim Kaat, Camilo Pascual, Dean Chance, Jim Perry, Mudcat Grant and Bert Blyleven any day over these pansies. What the heck happened? I don't understand and tired arm bologna. Looked at the innings pitched comparison at the same ages they smoked them. I don't understand. I am done now. That was my Clark Griswold for the day.

Its not that they are big wimps...that may be the case sometimes. Its the fact that franchises invest sooo much more money in arms these days that they want to treat them with as much care as they can. Its not like the twins are the only team that are inching these players along. I mean if you had a million dollar investment, wouldn't you want to make sure it was for the long term. Young pitchers are never that good as rookies either...they take a while to learn the major league game and all the major league hitters.

I'd rather have guys like Slowey, Blackburn, Perkins around in 4-5 years pitching then injured arms and what ifs...

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CrappiesNCats

it was probably because he is hurt. something is bothering his elbow.....yanked early? sometimes you dont get the whole story just watching

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Wookiee

So the franchise enables them to be that way.

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SledNeck

We have to save our pitcher's arms so they can bring better prospects when we trade them away

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Maximum12

SledNeck, something like that isn't funny if it's true, man! smile

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tisosy11

Twins...The best 500 baseball team in the majors!

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mike morris

Why oh why Perkins was just taken out for Crain I don't know.... Least Crain did his job. Gave up a walk and a hit.

Perkins only had 91 pitches too. Good god Gardy.

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mike morris

Gardy's on fire today! Leave Guerrier in against two lefties. Nothing like giving up the lead.

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mike morris

An absolutely disgusting loss. That's all I've got to say that's appropriate for this site.

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Maximum12

Yanking pitchers early is a long Twins tradition. Hey, they have to save those young arms for future use by the Mets & the Mariners!

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DTB84

I agree with Mike that the Twins yanked Perkins to early. It wasnt Gardy that made the moves though, it was Ullger. Gardy was thrown out earlier in the game for arguing the warning that was issued to both teams when Mauer was thrown at twice. In any case it cost them the ball game. Unless we get 8 out of our starters I fear that the bullpen could make a lot of games interesting.

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Quackaddict9

Yeah I was not too happy when they pulled out Perkins... 4-1 lead, 1 out and a single, big deal and takes him out of the game, who cares, if they are getting runs against him and thats understandable, 91 pitches and maybe the next pitch would got himself a double play. This is frustrating!!!

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hamrej23

I was more upset at that game than any other game this year. up 4-1 in the 7th runnerat first and one out... 91 pitches only, and you could tell he wasn't happy about being pulled.

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TNFL

I was at the game last night. Man, 4 pitchers in one inning really slows the pace of the game. I agree though, Perk got one out then gave up one hit and they yanked him. He had only given up 1 run with 7 K's.

On a side note, I was really disappointed with the first 2 AB's in the bot 6th. Gallaraga had 89 pitches to start the inning and then got 2 outs with 2 pitches. It seemed to shift the momentum of the game, IMO.

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fishlips

Was it Ullger's call to pull Perkin's? Obviously, we have the benefit of hindsight, but it seemed like a rush decision after Perkins gave up the single. Poor decision.

Have to admit, I dislike Scott Ullger after seeing some of his bone headed blunders last season, I thought he should have been canned...several cases where he ran the Twins out of potentially big innings. Doing alright this year, but then again he should be, it isn't rocket science.

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mike morris

I'm sure Ullger was on the phone with Gardy and made the decision together. Either way, it was not a good move!

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tisosy11

EH - the pen has been pitching well of late. Can't win them all...heck they still had a chance to tie or take lead in both 8th and 9th innings.

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Quackaddict9

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heck they still had a chance to tie or take lead in both 8th and 9th innings

and it didnt happen. If Perkins was still pitching that 6th inning, and then the 7th, we'd have won that one!

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Mudcutter

well, if the Twins would have won, this wouldn't be talked about. The Twins pulled Perkins,(likely becasue Slowey had pitched a complete game the day before) and I'am with that. It didn't work out that night.

The Twins pulled Baker last night and won in a very simliar game, the bullpen held on.

Anybody who thinks pitching agst a vetrean, all-star, studded lineup the Tigers throw at you in late innnings is like pitching agst a NL team is wrong, look at how many holds and blown saves the NL had agst teams like the Tiger,Twins,WhiteSOx,REdSox,Rays and even the Royals.

When you get in the late innings agst the AL,, you better have the bullpen, and even then, you will get beat eventually by the superior hitting.

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mike morris

What does Perkins getting pulled early have anything to do with Slowey going 9 the game before? It's not like the bullpen needs the work.

Point is, Perkins was doing just fine and he only had 91 pitches.

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Harmonica Bear

He may have been pitching fine, but you give an experienced veteran hitter a 3rd or 4th look at a pitcher that usually doesn’t have anything new to throw at them, things can unravel quickly. Not that the bullpen did its job either, but I believe prior to that the pen hadn’t given up a run for awhile. Win some, lose some.

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