Tribal Gill Nets- Video Link

[Moe Szyslak]

 Originally Posted By: leechbait

Some people just have racism built too far into their brains they just can't see the bigger picture. People like you won't be satisfied until all of our rights are obliterated and we are fully assimilated into your way of life. HITLERISM, By the way I'm not from Mille Lacs but I can see your point, I'm not for commercial fishing, but I am for holding on to traditions no matter how much opposition there is.

So because we want equality we are racist?

[Farmboy1]

 Originally Posted By: leechbait

technlogy has changed for both natives and for non-natives. It's benefited both sides.

Boy is that not the truth. To say Indians should not use new boats is really stupid. We should ride horses to work too, but that is not realistic and is certainly not going to win any debates.

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If you were on the other end of those treaties signed you'd have a different outlook too. History is too hard to overlook. Growing up as a native in a non native town was pretty tough and people, not all people, can be pretty degrading. We have every right to hold on to what we have left. Whether it's a tradition we can still practice or a language and culture we are trying to pass on it all matters to us.

The culture is a fantastic culture. I have the utmost respect for it, however in this case I feel it is being abused. Discrimination at it's finest.

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Just asking you to open your eyes a little more and realize this is bigger than some fish.

That says a lot.

Last words from me on this, I promise, and then I will let you guys beat this horse.

There is a priveledge by the Indians to do this, notice I did not say right. This priveledge can be taken away at any point in time, whether it be by the president as stated in the treaty, or by sound biological theories. This should not be overlooked by either side.

I don't think anything that has been said here is going to change anyones mind, and most certainly not the Supreme Court Justices who will make the decision. That is why I am backing away from it here.

The Indians who are doing this for the right reasons (religious, food, etc.) are not the ones being discussed here. I think we are again talking about the "pigs" among us, and they are the only ones who get the press. Stupidity does not follow racial lines. I happen to know way more stupid white people then any other race.

The definition of descrimination is: treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

Seems like this definition fits what is happening to everyone who does not belong to one of these tribes.

Leechbait, If you are ever in my neck of the woods, let me know, I would love to show you around some of my stomping grounds, or maybe search for some flatheads on the mighty Mississippi.

[Jim Panfish Uran]

Well the individuals that do that should be reprimanded, there is no excuse for doing something like that and I wouldn't try to protect that at all. But the intruders have their days too, I can see it now, the dog days of summer, standing there holding a 26" walleye, slime dripping all over your beer belly while your drunken buddy is fumbling around trying to figure out how to work the camera. 5 minutes later, gills bleeding the fish in in the water, where it swims to the bottom of the lake and dies. Why don't we talk about them people too.

Or the guy in the 21 foot tracker with $6000 dollars worth of electronics on his boat who goes out 4 times a day and brings his limit home everytime.

These scenarios are happening on your beloved fishery also.

If it's that bad, if they are wasting fish and if they are stupidly using their privelage than it should definately be monitored more and action should be taken.

LAST WORDS FOR ME ON THIS ALSO, It irks me too since I am on the other end of this ya know. sorry for looking like an ash hole

[Moe Szyslak]

 Originally Posted By: leechbait

Well the individuals that do that should be reprimanded, there is no excuse for doing something like that and I wouldn't try to protect that at all. But the intruders have there days too, I can see it now, the dog days of summer, standing there holding a 26" walleye, slime dripping all over your beer belly while your drunken buddy is fumbling around trying to figure out how to work the camera. 5 minutes, gills bleeding the fish in in the water, where it swims to the bottom of the lake and dies. Why don't we talk about them people too.

Or the guy in the 21 foot tracker with $6000 dollars worth of electronics on his boat who goes out 4 times a day and brings his limit home everytime.

These scenarios are happening on your beloved fishery also.

These both are valid issues I agree 100% with. I have seen the first one done. If there was a realistic way to monitor and change this I would be all for it.

I cant comment on the second as I havent seen it done but I would agree that this is not right or legal.

[DHanson]

Hey leechbait, I am sorry if I came off a little strong, it was not directed to you in any way, shape, or form, but rather towards the few Native Americans that make the rest look bad. I'm sure it is just a few bad apples that make the rest look bad.

The problem with this issue that I forgot to mention is that there is a clear line of racial privelidge. This issue is never going to go away until everyone is treated as equal. How are we ever suppose to get along with each other when there is clearly a divided line seperating the two?

[Jim Panfish Uran]

Oh yeah and Farmboy, it would be an honor, it would even be better if I knew where your neck of the woods is..... Leechbait

and Dhanson, don't sweat it. I'm all for getting rid of the "bad apples". and it's pretty tough to be equal to people that look down on you like you're inferior to them.

[Farmboy1]

Leechbait-Sorry, I said I was done, but pool 4 of the Mississippi is where I normally try my luck. Excellent fishery if your ever in the area.

[germanshorthairs]

This is discrimination-one race being allowed more rights than another. Plain and simple!!!

[talltines]

jnorm1984, while you try to justify the tribal netting, and try to put the weight on fisherman, you are blindly bypassing the financial end to this subject. I really don't think the indians are funding any research studies on multiple aspect that we as minnesota sportsman fund all of. Point being is to take 100,000 +- lbs. of eyes they should also as a BAND be responsable for 30% +- of the funding milacs receives from mn. fisherman. With all the various studies and DNR enforcement we fund let alone the local business we bring to the lake. Who knows we are probably paying for the indians hotel and meals while they are harvesting millions of eggs. I think if they want to play they should also pay. All my opinion.

[hunter76]

What a joke, get a license and a boat like the rest of us! That is just pathetic using nets.

[smokie30]

What I don't understand is, the Federal goverment bought out the

rights of the indians, but yet every so many years, the tready was brought up again. When someone buys something from me, I can't go back 10, 20, 50 years later and say you didn't pay me

enough and reclaim that it is mine.

[Darrell Larson]

Hunter76: I have a "license" and a boat. Good god give it a rest, until all of you that are against any thing that bothers a group of people, can band together and try to change whatever your against things are not going to change. Voicing your opposition here means very little to anyone, other than the people that belong to this site. It appears your all against whatever someone is doing, well then get off your "fricking soap box" and do something about it.

Now I am going fishing and will not be back to this site for about 5 months from now. Good luck to all and be safe.

[fishorgolf]

Good point. If people want to change this they need to make the effort and contact your pols. Every e-mail they get in like 1000 because most people do not make the effort. Talk and no action is a waste of time.

[Jim Panfish Uran]

A proffesor of mine at BSU, yeah he was white,told us in class, Have you ever heard of the Minnesota White Wine.......... I WANNA GILL NET TOO.......

[Rick]

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