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I thought I read somewhere that Minnesota requires a certain amount of ethanol in gas in certain areas of the State. Does anyone know if the Non-Oxygenated gas in the Duluth area is corn free? I was shopping for some non-oxy tonight (Shakedown cruise for the new walleye slayer tomorrow.) and all I could find was 91 octane. I believe the gas I was ordering in Cook County was 92 octane and was guaranteed to be ethanol free. Should I be concerned?

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Oxygenated fuel has ethanol in it (up to 10% currently in MN.) Non-oxygenated fuel has no ethanol. I use regular unleaded oxygenated fuel in my 2000 Yammie 40 2stroke. Works just fine. I've tried the premium non-oxygenated and can't tell the difference. But every motor is different I'm sure.

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the only no-oxy fuel available in MN is 91/92 octane. I have used this in ALL my cylinders (sled, auger, atvs, chain saw, etc. etc. except truck) with never a performance or ant other problem.

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Check with your dealer. They should have the drop on it.

I just have a couple comments. There is little difference between 91 octane and 92. The number identifies the burn rate of the fuel and those numbers are close enough.

Nor would I worry about your fuel up there especially if its labeled non-oxygenated. I think the "enviro" fuels are targeted at us citified drivers. The fuel on the range has a different smell to it than ours down here. I notice it every time I go up. The smell of the fuel up there is more like what I remember from when I was a kid and gas was gas.

This of course is for what its worth.

Good luck with the new rig and congrats!

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Wanderer,

I have put non oxygenated gas in my car, and gained anywhere from 15%-20% increase in mileage.

This is about the same % in mileage I lost when they went to "corn gas" in 1998.

I never claim to be the best math student in the world, but you burn more gas using 10% ethanol than burning the non-oxy stuff mad.gif

And they don't want you to put it in your car! sick.gif

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Usually whatever the highest octane gasoline is that they have at the station is the non-oxy gas. The pump usually has a little blurb on it(I usually see it towards the bottom) about non oxygenate gasoline is for use in off-highway vehciles, snowmobiles, outboards... etc.

Like Wnaderer said, there isn't a noticable difference between 91 and 92 octane.

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Yeah, and I came across a site from 2006, that stated the mandate was to increase to 20% Ethanol by 2020, so we may lose another 15-20%, or at that level, maybe more...let's see, down 30-40% in MPG, so how much is it that Ethanol is going to save??? sick.gif

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I'll agree that with most older makes of trucks and cars that a reduction in mpg will decrease. The amount of drop off that has been stated that occurs might be a little more than actually happens in controlled testing sites.

The newer cars and trucks that are being built today at plants are more geared for running using a E10 mix of gas in there engines.

3 cars for example in a recent test running down interstate 29 in S.Dakota for 300 miles between exits 177 and 127 conducted by the Lake Area Vocational Technical Institute in Watertown, S.Dakota, using a Chevy Impala,Toyota Camry and a Ford Taurus showed a reduced mpg by 1.5% with E10, 2.2% with E20, 5.1% with E30 and a increase of 1.7% with premium E10 blend.

So lets give the good ole USofA a chance with todays engineers to give it in the end to the Oil giants of the Arab states.

Just my 2 cents on why we should not throw the towel in just yet with Ethanol.

Farmer

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Who would want to try pulling a boat with one of these? crazy.gif

How about a Chevy truck, would that do? \:\/

Iowa State University recently had a Chevy Silverado at the Iowa State Fair which I attended in which they changed pistons to raise compression and some timing modifications which resulted in a 3-5% increase in fuel mileage with e-85 from traditional gasoline motors.

MIT's Plasma Science and Fusion Center's engineer's are currently working along side Ford Motor Works to implement an ethanol-injection system in future truck models also.

Saab is currently selling a turbocharged engine that when ethanol is used the boost is able to be raised which results in substantial power gains. 20%hp and 25% more ft lbs with ethanol vs gasoline with no loss in fuel economy. This technology also won Popular Science "Best of what's New" award in 2005.

But heck let's send our money to Osama and his buddies for gas derived Oil, instead of keeping it here in America. Engineer's are finally in the development of motors and injectors for them that will run ethanol at no more expense than gasoline.

I was just trying to show some that might care about keeping money in the USA, that ethanol is not the "all mighty evil" that some tend to think it is.

Farmer

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I would love to see the technology applicable to current models, or to be able to inexpensively turn my ford truck into a lean mean ethanol burning machine. I dont see that happening.

I thought my truck was going to spit the motor out the tail pipe when I thought I'd burn a tankful of e85 just for the heck of it.

it didn't run right until I had all of that out of it's system. but after it was gone, there was a noticeable improvement in performance.

not sure what that was all about.

I am all for using home grown resources, but if the price of corn skyrockets because ethanol is in such great demand, then the farmers will be sitting in the same position as the oil executives.

food products jumping in prices right in line with the high costs of corn. we've seen that already.

I am hearing now that we can make more or better ethanol per acre from grass hay turned into ethanol than corn based ethanol.

any truth to this?

I figure the BIG-BIG MONEY that is oil companies will have their money invested in ethanol anyway, so we will still be under their thumb, no matter the source of fuel we choose.

were so screwed

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You got that right!!!

Keep your eyes open gentlemen, on food prices over the Summer, it's starting to cause major turmoil World-wide, and if it continues at this pace, we will all be in big-time trouble...

China is turning it's attention to producing Alcohol fuel from fermented rice, and this has resulted in it's big import retailers like Wallyworld, limiting how much rice a consumer can purchase at some of their stores recently...not that I'm much of a rice-eater, but it is an indicator of how fast things can change...

Until we get the US, Canadian, and Mexican, companies that supply 75%, of total US usage, to break from selling to us at full World Market prices, were toast...

A huge oil find was just announced off South America, theoretically it is second largest known Resevoir in the World, but even after it's up and running in 8-10 years, you can bet there will still be a million excuses why this doesn't help ease prices...

The out going President of Exxon Mobil, I think it was, while on Charlie Rose program, about one and one half to two years ago, when asked when gas would go back down under $2 a gallon again, gave the most intense evil look, and stated firmly with a smug smirk, "You will never see gas under $2 again'...and I never have...

I've only seen one other guy, with that smoldering look in his eye, and he was another power Manipulator, masquerading as an Angel of Light... eek.gif

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Corn based ethanol is one of the biggest scams in human history. It takes about 400 pounds of corn to make enough ethanol to fill a 25 gallon gas tank. Think about that. And thats if you just so happen to have a flex fuel vehicle and can actually find E85. Things really start to look bad when you account the amount of fossil fuel generated power that it takes to grow, harvest, and then refine ethanol. And worse than that, when the government decides to take our food and convert it to fuel, world food prices soar. And to top it all off, corn based ethanol wouldn't even exist without huge taxpayer subsidies, because its not profitable.

There may be a future in cellulosic ethanol that can be produced from wood waste products, grass, and algae. But corn based ethanol is a crock and I wish it would go away.

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I believe it's no secret that there is not enough crude oil to power the world forever.regardless of who owns it or who is profiting from it. I doubt it will last the next hundred years. I dont know that, just speculation.

the alternative is obviously going to have to be something other than petroleum based products.

I don't know what that will be. solar? nuclear power?

hydrogen derived from H2O? soybean oil? ethanol?

what I do know is that it's development is going to have to start somewhere.

if you don't agree with that then you come up with a better plan.

this process of making ethanol may very well not be cost efficient, but it's a start.

it will likely pave the way for what is to come.

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I don't really care what we make our fuel out of. Of course maintaining standards of living always seems a valid issue; which would go back to the being able to pull the a boat thing,, being able to afford to pull the boat, and have a sandwich so that if I don't catch fish I won't starve. The word on the street is the entire process from making to burning Ethanol creates more polution than oil. Seems kind of self defeating.

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My suburban is a flex fuel veichle. When I run the normal 87 octane I get 17 mpg, when I tried using the E-85 the mpg went to 12. Even though the E-85 cheaper at the pump it ends up costing more because the gas mileage is poor. You cant run straight E-85 in the winter because it will freeze and my owners manual says dont use while towing. I really dont see the point of E-85

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Corn based ethanol is one of the biggest scams in human history. It takes about 400 pounds of corn to make enough ethanol to fill a 25 gallon gas tank. Think about that.

That equates to 7.1 bushels of corn to fill a truck. Leaving, take National crop yield per acre of corn at 138 bushels per acre for food and feed usuage. Think about that.

And thats if you just so happen to have a flex fuel vehicle and can actually find E85. Things really start to look bad when you account the amount of fossil fuel generated power that it takes to grow, harvest, and then refine ethanol. And worse than that, when the government decides to take our food and convert it to fuel, world food prices soar.

Every thing on todays market is TRUCKED vs railed in like many years ago. Next time you go by a station or if you drive a diesel truck you know what I'm talking about at over $4:00 per gallon, this expense is going to be passed on to you and me.

And to top it all off, corn based ethanol wouldn't even exist without huge taxpayer subsidies, because its not profitable.

www.exxposeexxon.com/ExxonMobil_politics.html

Check this link in what big OIL is doing to the USofA.

Talk about the biggest scam in American History, and it still continues with them making record profits each quarter. mad.gif

There may be a future in cellulosic ethanol that can be produced from wood waste products, grass, and algae. But corn based ethanol is a crock and I wish it would go away.

Corn based ethanol is the experimental stage for many new resources that will eventually be coming on-line with renewable fuels. It's corn ethanol that is the quickest and easiest way to start the process of converting sugars and starches to ethanol. Many fields at Universities and Seed Co. are researching switch grasses yield and diseases today.

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Anyone looked at how much the oil companies get subsidized? FF thanks for shedding some light on the situation. E-85 in my mind is not the solution, but at least its a short term solution that keeps the money in the U.S. and not in the middle east. With the way our economy and the war in the middle east is going, we should be doing anything possible to keep our money and resource dependency with in the US. with oil over $100/barrel 20% ethanol would keep billions of dollars in the US economy. 2 cents

Dave

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The coming thing to be the end all solution, is something we heard about years back...Soilent Green... sick.gif

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Yes, thanks for the correction, "Soilent Green" is a deathgrind and sludge band out of Louisiana, and whether their spelling is as bad as mine, or to avoid copyright infringement, they were named after the movie Soylent Green, released in 1973, and is one of at least two bands that were similarily named, the other Soilent Grun, was a German punk band,'79-'82, of which two of its members then formed in '87, another punk band "Die Artze", meaning "The Doctors"...

Kind of gruesome to think about how these bands were formed around a people eatin' movie, and their subsequent antics...

In the Movie, set in of all things, 2022 A.D., due to world food shortages, the Government produces first two high energy Vegetable products, from Soy Beans and Lentil, Soylent Red and Soylent Yellow...

Then introduces a new High Energy Plankton wafer, called Soylent Green, which because of its popularity and short supply causes riots, and the encouragement by the Government to choose Early Retirement of the body...and is subsequently found to be Recycled People...

Of course if they had made it Soylent Purple, then the population would have become...Purple People Eaters... sleep.gif

Well 2022 is not that far off, and food problems are just arising...soooo beware of Government food handouts... whistle.gif

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MobyRichard

In the Movie, set in of all things, 2022 A.D., due to world food shortages, the Government produces first two high energy Vegetable products, from Soy Beans and Lentil, Soylent Red and Soylent Yellow...

Then introduces a new High Energy Plankton wafer, called Soylent Green, which because of its popularity and short supply causes riots, and the encouragement by the Government to choose Early Retirement of the body...and is subsequently found to be Recycled People...

Of course if they had made it Soylent Purple, then the population would have become...Purple People Eaters...

Well 2022 is not that far off, and food problems are just arising...soooo beware of Government food handouts...

Government food handouts have been in place for many years already. As in food stamps for low income Americans and older people that have put in their dues in the workforce, and are now in retirement homes.

Our children that attend public and private schools are using them as in your school lunch programs that are offered in each state in the USofA.

Three main grain commodities are used in general for food stuff's in making food for you and me. Corn, wheat and rice.

Wheat and rice are no way used in the production of ethanol. So please tell me why food prices are rising due to ethanol?

Here is a link that may help you and me understand that ethanol is not the main reason that our food prices are going up.

http://www.jointherideiowa.com

Farmer

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Your misinterpretaion, not mine, the posting you quoted was strictley in regards to Soylent Green, a movie about People being reprocessed into Human Food and passed of as Plankton...

The handouts portion also referred to the movie, and the above, mentioned product, which who knows, they may have already considered, since it was allowed to feed animal parts including sheep brains to cows and sheep, and we know the result...who's to say we won't be considered as sheep...even more than most are now...

Ethanol is not the main reason for price increases, nor the only, but is surley a contributing factor when corn prices have nearly tripled and a feed for say, chickens is mostly derived from said corn, and well, eggs are from chickens, and have nearly tripled in the last year and a half... whistle.gif

Since your so hungry, I'll throw you an ovelooked bone...how much grain of all types, that could be used for Human Consumption, is and has been used over the years to produce Alcohol for Human Consumption instead...and don't forget all the Water and Energy used in that production... blush.gif

Also fuel/energy costs, and of course all this causes a deflation of the dollars value worldwide, causing the Middle East oil producers to raise prices which are set in US Dollars, and therefore the US, Mexican, and Canadian Producers, which supply 75% of used in the US follow suit, to the extent of charging full world Market Prices to the US...

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Ethanol is not the main reason for price increases, nor the only, but is surely a contributing factor when corn prices have nearly tripled and feed for say, chickens is mostly derived from said corn, and well, eggs are from chickens, and have nearly tripled in the last year and a half... whistle.gif

Many don't know, but a farmer or rancher is forced to sell his livestock at what price is set at that day on the market. He does not set the price for his goods. The packer and processor sets the price for chickens,beef,pork and lamb, etc.. Thank god and the foresight of lawmakers as in state attorney generals in most states, including Iowa, that packers can't retain ownership of livestock. Or you and me would be paying dearly for that next piece of steak or pork loin or chicken at our next meal.

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Since your so hungry, I'll throw you an ovelooked bone...how much grain of all types, that could be used for Human Consumption, is and has been used over the years to produce Alcohol for Human Consumption instead...and don't forget all the Water and Energy used in that production... blush.gif

I'm not going hungry at all. Thank you for being so concerned. We send our own pork and buy a heifer off a neighbor to the locker so we know what type of product and packaging we will have for our family. As far as how much grain and fruits is used in a year's time for alcohol and wines would probably shock us all. eek.gif

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Also fuel/energy costs,and of course all this causes a deflation of the dollars value worldwide,causing the Middle East oil producers to raise prices which are set in US Dollars

I'll agree with that some what and also think about other countries becoming more industrialized, as in China and India as an example. Their consumption for oil the last couple of years has dramatically increase, in doing so are competing for the reserves of oil being produced each year also. Also I and others believe the Oil barrons know that renewable fuels are coming in other countries and want to stick it to us and them while they can. Look at the recent Texas governor's statement about renewable fuels and one wonders if they in the Lone Star State aren't feeling the sting already. cry.gif I for one am glad that they are feeling the pinch, since they have racked it in profit wise way to long at the expense of you and me at the pumps.

Farmer

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