Jump to content
  • GUESTS

    If You  want access  to member only forums on FM, You will need to Sign-in or  Sign-Up now .

    This box will disappear once you are signed in as a member.

Question for 2thepoint/uplander


R. Miller

Recommended Posts

Hey guys. Just wanted to pose the question to you because I know you guys have young English Setters. At what age did you first introduce them to gunfire?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I can't speak for 2thepoint but I know and train with uplander and usually around 4-5 months of age when the dog is going into some "serious" training. Always start slow, associate the noise with birds and you should be good to go. I always let the dog chase some birds around, make them bird crazy before introducing a gun, then they are so focused on the bird that they don't even notice. Welcome to the club, you will love your setter.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Very carefully I start at about 3 to 4 months. I pretty much follow the method from the book "Training Pointing Dogs by Paul Long" it has worked well for me.

Here is the first couple paragraphs from the intro to guns section.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you have a young puppy and want to start getting used to loud noises early in life, get a cap pistol and a blank pistol that shoots the foreign made crimps-regular American .22 blanks make too loud a crack. (I just use normal ones though)

Wait until your puppy has been introduced to the fields and found something chasable. When he is going away and no longer near you, fire the cap pistol. If the puppy shows fear or any abnormal reaction, put the pistol away for the day. Go on hunting for something else that the puppy will have fun chasing but don't make any kind of fuss over him. That is the worst thing you can do with a dog of any age that shows a sign of gunshyness; it will only accentuate the trait.

Chances are the puppy will be so interested in chasing the object that he will pay no attention to the noise of the pistol, and after a few repetitions will associate it with alot of fun.

However, if the puppy did show signs of being upset wait until he is older and more interested in hunting before trying it again.

there are few more pages with more detail but this how I basiclly start.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have found this works really well with a dummy or tennis ball. The first time the pup will usually look at you for a second or two. Try to be about 50 yards from the pup, works well if someone else helps by firing the pistol.

I hope this helps.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Quote:

I can't speak for 2thepoint but I know and train with uplander and usually around 4-5 months of age when the dog is going into some "serious" training. Always start slow, associate the noise with birds and you should be good to go. I always let the dog chase some birds around, make them bird crazy before introducing a gun, then they are so focused on the bird that they don't even notice. Welcome to the club, you will love your setter.


You must have wrote that while I slowly typed my last post. You explained that very well. (I wish I had more birds avliable while the pups are young, thats a very important part of starting the pup off right)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I guess there is no reason for me to respond since they did such a fine job, but I'll add this...Today I was out with my 7 month old setter and he has yet to have a 12ga fired over him, just blank pistols in ND. He made game and chased a woodcock so I fired a shot and he never broke stride. Like those guys said if they are super fired up over birds they probably won't hear it.....But start slow cap or blank guns first I always do it around birds!!!! Good luck and enjoy the setter......uplander

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks for the replies guys. I just got back from 5 days of pheasant hunting in western MN. Here's a picture of Clyde. I brought him along for the trip. Never brought him out hunting, just more for socialization at the hunting camp. Here's a picture that I tried to take with Clyde and a rooster that my old brittany got up. As you can see, he's a little more interested in the bird than the photographer! [image]Clydewrooster.jpg[/image]

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That is a real good looking pup, I love the ticking on his face. Good to see he is interested in birds.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.


  • Your Responses - Share & Have Fun :)

    • ozzie
      they have been great!  Provide more stability and floatation to the rear of the boat where it was needed with my 230lb frame with the motor back there.  They also make the boat look pretty "mean" for a small little jon boat   The only downside to them is now I have to figure out a trolling motor since I cant put one off the rear, and I have to get creative to mount a transducer.  Currenly i just suction cup a vexilar transducer to the side of the boat. I am planning on adding a motorguide kayak 36" shaft trolling motor to the bow.  I just need some welding on the front, but I have to customize it so the boat still can fit on my trailer properly, as I have bumpers that create a little logistical snafu.    
    • leech~~
      Looks like you got it set up pretty nice with comfy seats. How did the rear floats you added work? 
    • ozzie
    • ozzie
      Just thought I would provide an update....the river is high and fast.  I have been down there multiple times during the course of the year and the fishing has been poor with water moving so fast.  I have tried 3oz weights and they tumble like nothing down the river.  Have not attempted to launch the boat out there.  I have been on the Rum a bit with the boat and that is a fun navigational voyage!  Not a lot of fish caught but some.  Regarding my boat set up, I did upgrade the 4hp up to a 6hp.  has just enough power to go where I need with a passenger.  next step is to weld up something to mount a bow mount trolling motor and I will have a solid fishing machine for small lakes and rivers. Hope everyone is out there enjoying our summertime open water!!  
    • smurfy
      kettle, ot anyone up in the north country.....last time up i dint think the skeeters were all that bad, them sand flies, you know them blood suckin ankle biters where starting to get annoying and the deer and horseflies were starting to make there presence known........ how are they now????/headed up a week from thursday!!  
    • FishinCT
      Someone is always catching them somewhere but so far this week that someone is not me. Still a few ideas to try but running out quickly
    • LakeofthewoodsMN
      On the south end...   Summer fishing is prime time right now up at Lake of the Woods.  Good numbers of walleyes being caught.  A nice variety of sizes, which bodes well for the fishery.  Small fish, eaters, slot fish which must be released (19.5 - 28.0 inches) and trophy walleyes over 28 inches all in the mix.     The mud is holding big numbers of fish and two main fishing techniques are being used to get it done. The first technique is drifting or trolling crawler harnesses.  Using a two ounce bottom bouncer and a two snelled spinner will do the trick.  Best spinner colors have been gold, gold/pink, orange/chartreuse.     Making sure your weight is near the bottom, but not dragging the bottom is key.  Try to maintain a 45 degree angle and make sure the spinner is spinning, normally 1.0 - 1.3 mph.  Walleyes will load up, almost feeling like you are dragging a wet sock.  A good feeling!   The second technique catching good numbers of walleyes is trolling crankbaits over the mud basin.  To get crankbaits down to schools of fish normally in that 28 - 32' range, lead core line, snap weights, downriggers and even a 4 ounce bottom bouncer with 6' mono or fluorocarbon leader with shallow diving crankbait will work well.   Most popular depths on the mud are 30'-36' of water over the mud basin.  Not every walleye in the lake is focusing on the same forage base.  There has also been success in that 12-20' range over sand and even shallower along shore.     Reefs can be their own ecosystem and can always hold fish.  Fish can be on top, sides, on the rock to mud transition or even adjacent to reef out in the mud.  Go fishing, watch electronics. On the Rainy River...  With drier weather, the flow of water is decreasing on the Rainy River.  Water clarity has improved and so has fishing.     Most are targeting the edges of the main current where water is slower moving.  Points, bridges, underwater structure, docks and bends in the river can all change current flow, creating good spots for fish to live. Jigs, spinners and crankbaits are all catching fish.  There are 42 miles of navigable Rainy River with literally thousands of fun spots to fish. The sturgeon season is open.  Some nice fish were caught this week.  Anchor up on a hole or adjacent to a hole in the river and soak some nightcrawlers.  Local tackle shops have flat no roll sinkers and sturgeon rigs.     There is a big population of smallmouth bass in the Rainy River.  Although they don't receive much attention due to walleyes, they are abundant. Up at the NW Angle...  Great walleye fishing is the rule of thumb using three techniques, jigging, trolling spinners and trolling crankbaits.     Reports of walleyes sliding deeper off of structure.  If fishing a "spot on a spot", jigging is the preferred method.  If fish are spread out or you are searching a flat, spinners and crankbaits will cover more water and walleyes are normally cooperative.   Some big pike caught again this week.  These predators are often hanging around schools of walleyes and saugers, but rocky points, bays and sunken islands are great spots as well. Muskie anglers continue reporting good success fishing a variety of structure amongst the islands.    
    • MikeG3Boat
      CFD200, Nice Fish!  are you on the east or west side of Vermilion?
    • monstermoose78
      Just have been busy and I will work ok a report tonight. 
    • CFD200
      We had difficulty finding any walleyes this weekend.  The previous two weekends I marked a lot of fish with few takers.  Didn't  mark many this weekend but, caught this 24" mark.   
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.