force fetch training

[duckbuster]

What you just said is the most insanely, idiotic thing I have ever heard. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listen to it!!!!!!!

[jigging-matt]

After reading the post I wasn't sure how to respond without (contact us please) all over the post. Statements like that are insane.

[gspman]

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I'm about ready to go to a pointing breed.

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Please, stay with your choosen breed. There are pointing labs. If you switched I'd have to listen to you bash trial breeding and use of e-collars in the pointing breeds.

[trailratedtj]

Do u ever have a super bad day? Geez im ready to pull my hair out! Just got done working with the dog and he didnt want anything to do with fetching. He wouldnt even hardly move. We having been doing so well with frozen birds and then all of a sudden today he decides he want to just go out and circle the thing. If i put it in front of him he grabs it on command. If i pull out the dokken mallards he retrieves fine.Does your dog ever have days where it just doesnt want to work at all? Like he went (Contact Us Please) over night? I think his "on" switch has a short and his dumb switch is hardwired!

[gspman]

Back up a couple steps and try again. Then work him back to where you are now.

[duckbuster]

Once a dog gets to the fetching portion of FF there are a few levels/steps that you work to until you can say you have completed the task.

1) fetch while the dowel/bird is right in front of his mouth

2) fetch while it is below his chin and between his paws

3) fetch while you are holding it on the ground

4) fetch while you are no longer holding it and it lays on the ground

5) fetch while you are walking around it while it lays on the ground

Once you have gotten to this point you have basically finished the FF. If you have not gotten to this point you leave yourself open for set backs like you have spoken of.

He has not gotten to the point of understanding that he is retrieving for you NOT for himself.

GOOD LUCK!!

[trailratedtj]

duckbuster.

My problem is stubborness. Anything within 15 feet he will retrieve. anything over that and its hit or miss. Today i took him into a new environment, full of scents, water, and woods. Everything to help him "break". We had already warmed up in the backyard with some simple "in his face" forces out to about 15'. So once we started at this new place i began once again with the simple forces. He has these down pat but i always open up the training to show him whats going on and who's boss. After all that jazz i tossed one out at about 10yards. I got on him pretty good with a stern force command and the retrieve was made. After that the usual started, he wanted to pay more attention to scents and getting into the water. Being collar conditioned, i have been slowly introducing it into the more distant tosses. Well i hit him with the collar and it got him off the scent and on to another. So i kept creeping up the intensity till it got his attention. Finally it took a few more tries but i was able to break him of the surroundings to get the fetch out of him. The only thing was it takes nearly 100% intensity. After a couple at 100% you can knock it down to %30-%40. He is very very stubborn. The only thing i know to keep doing is using the collar.

generally i give him the command

he takes off and if he stops and starts on another mission i give him the command and a "nick" if he doesnt respond the i hold it on "constant" and repeat the command.

As soon as his mouth touches the dummy i release the buttom.

Then i give him the "heel" command

and then shortly there after i tell him to drop and we repeat.

Please if you have any suggestions of anything im doing wrong or anything else i can do feel free to chime in.