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All fishermen are liars; it's an occupational disease with them like housemaid's knee or editor's ulcers. ~Beatrice Cook, Till Fish Do Us Part, 1949

We ask a simple question

And that is all we wish:

Are fishermen all liars?

Or do only liars fish?

~William Sherwood Fox, Silken Lines and Silver Hooks, 1954

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Im a pretty honest person though I have exagerated. But Im a card player and a fisherman therefore I lie grin.gif

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A person I know told me one time, when it comes to fishing, hunting or rememuising about your high scool sports days everyone is a liar except you and I, and I am not sure about you. wink.gif

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I don't lie. Ruins credibility. Why lie? Be honest and you will gain the respect of your peers.

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Simple, don't ask me where I caught them, and I won't have to lie to you.

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I have never lied about any of the 36 inch walleyes I've caught or the the ten 55 inch muskys either. Everything I say is true, at least in my reality.

George W. Bush is an example of truth telling on which we all can base our value of honesty. I might have embellished that a tad.

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I think the biggest liar’s I have run into is hunting dog owners. I have a couple of buddies that brag their dogs up like a filed trial champ‘s, but I would never again go hunting with them and there dog’s. Fishing is just like any other skill, ever one want’s to be the best and no one want’s to be last in line. For some, the “Froioud (sorry if I spelt wrong) theory” come into play. Inadequacy with their size. When this occurs, that person will lie about anything. ooo.gifsmirk.gifcrazy.gifsmirk.gifsmile.gifgrin.gifcool.gif

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Shackbash, you are 100% correct! The "dog hunters" are the biggest liars around. smile.gif Their dogs are the best thing since sliced bread, until you hunt over them. Holy cow, if I could count the number of duck I had to retrieve because their great retriever could not find them I would would be out of my fingers and toes, your fingers and toes, and half the people in the states wink.gif But it is the one retrieve when I dont' really want to do it that makes me appreciate dogs, haha. But yeah, those great dogs many brag about, forget them. I have two dogs, great dogs, but they are worthless, at least I know it smile.gif

Also, I have found that whenever someone brags about an "x pound" fish, they are full of it. If they don't tell me the number of inches, I won't even think of believing them.

As my brother once told a guy who siad he had a trunk full of 8 pound walleyes, "You're selling tickets, and no way am I buying!!!" hehehehe.

Good topic. Funny responses smile.gif And my biggest honest walleye is 27 fat inches. Wish it was bigger.

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I know you wont believe me but I caught a 2lb crappie this winter. Never caught one that big before. Wait a minute I have a picture to prove it.

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See I NEVER lie.

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I hadn't realized how big you actually are! With that two pound crappie for a guage, that puts you way bigger than me, please don't get mad and beat me up when I tell you that I had one bigger get off at the top of the water, broke my 14 lb line!

On another note, that's a beauty! Get it mounted??

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The only time a fisherman tells the truth is when he calls another a liar! wink.gif

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I have to defend the dogs here for a second. I had a "mutt" half Lab half Chessie. She had a crooked tail. Jumped up and down and was hyper her whole life. But when the hunt started she was something different then. First time I ever took her dove hunting in IL she brough back 97 of them that day. Only lost one bird but to make up for that she found birds for two hunters that were not in our group. I do not ever remember her not bring back the duck I sent her after... well there were a couple that dove way out in front of her that she could not find. She was not that obidient, I had to use the "rock trhowing" direction indicator for her, but by golly I sure do miss that Lil Black Dog! I know that in one year I could loose more ducks without her than I ever did in the 10 years hunting with her. Take care and N Joy the Hunt././Jimbo

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Duckslayer, I have to correct myself... it isn't all dogs, because I have hunted with great dogs, but they were usually the ones that the owners didn't brag about, the ones that maybe didn't listen so well, but always came back with birds. I mean the ones that the owners say are field champs and have papers and all that stuff, then they take off busting before the birds even make it in, or whatever.

Anyway, I like dogs, just think theowners brag them up too much often, and it is usually some pro trained dog that should stay in the truck smile.gif

And BTW , I just changed my biggest walleye to be a 12 pounder wink.gif errrr, maybe it was 17....

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Ask me no questions, and i will tell you no lies. The longer your arms are, the better fisherman you are. ... paul

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i dont know two many fishermen that arn't guilty of "rounding up to the next inch" from time to time, myself included, and the more beers in ya the more the size of some fish grow smirk.gif

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Duckslayer, I have to correct myself... it isn't all dogs, because I have hunted with great dogs, but they were usually the ones that the owners didn't brag about, the ones that maybe didn't listen so well, but always came back with birds. I mean the ones that the owners say are field champs and have papers and all that stuff, then they take off busting before the birds even make it in, or whatever.


Box, I know exactly what you mean. I have gone with the "well trained by a professional trainer" dog as well. Sure did not seem to do any better than mine ever did! You get all hyped up about hunting with one of the best and walla... not much different than hunting with my own dog. I have however had the pleasure of hunting with a buddy of mine that truly does have a champion field trial dog and I will tell ya that was a lot of fun!!! Take care and N Joy the Hunt././Jimbo

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i have found an easy way to tell if a fisherman is exaggerating. no, not if his mouth is open, but if he shows you a hand measurement in a verticle fasion. as if he were measuring height and not length. cool.gif

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Simple, don't ask me where I caught them, and I won't have to lie to you.


Exactly. I don't lie about size or numbers but ask me for GPS coordinates and you might find yourself in the middle of a Wal Mart parking lot. grin.gif

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It's like sitting in a meeting and someone saying, "Well, that's job security."

If my job security is based upon someone else being inadaquate, incompetent, an in general, a liar about about what they are paid to do, then you can expect my head to explode.

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It's not a lie if you believe it. smile.gif

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I'm always completely honest.

Just ask my wife, . . . Mmmorrrgaaannn Fairchild; ya that's da ticket !!

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another Liar thread...LOL's

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I'm with some of the others here. I don't exaggerate sizes or numbers. If anything I under estimate. But if someone is dumb enough to start asking too many questions about where, what, and how, I am guilty of throwing them the wrong bone....sending them in the wrong direction. smirk.gif

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Know your liar, u-h-h-h fisherman, and you'll know whether to divide his catch total, fish's weight, etc., by 2 or 4 or 10!

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For every beer deduct an inch OR two... tongue.gifgrin.gif

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    • Rick
      Walleye fishing on Mille Lacs Lake will remain closed until Aug. 11 to protect the walleye fishery, and ensure its long-term health and sustainability into the future To extend the walleye fishing season through Labor Day, the state will allow for an additional 11,000 pounds of walleye harvest on Mille Lacs New solutions are being sought to rebuild and sustain a healthy Mille Lacs walleye fishery New fisheries data collected by the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources show the total safe harvest allocation for walleyes on Mille Lacs Lake (44,800 pounds) has already been exceeded this season. To protect the fishery and ensure the long-term sustainability of Mille Lacs Lake’s walleye population, the DNR announced today that walleye fishing will remain closed until Friday, Aug. 11. In order to extend the walleye fishing season through Labor Day, the state will allow for an additional 11,000 pounds of walleye harvest. Catch-and-release walleye fishing will run from Friday, Aug. 11, through Monday, Sept. 4, for the Labor Day weekend. Walleye fishing will then be closed from Tuesday, Sept. 5, through Thursday, Nov. 30. As these regulation changes were announced, Minnesota DNR Commissioner Tom Landwehr reiterated the state’s commitment to rebuilding and sustaining a healthy walleye fishery in Mille Lacs Lake. “Improving the walleye population in Mille Lacs is a top priority for the DNR,” Landwehr said. “We deeply regret the hardships these new regulations will cause for anglers and business owners. But they are essential to protect and enhance the future of walleye fishing in the lake for future generations. We will continue doing everything we can to understand the challenges facing the walleye fishery, and take whatever actions we can to resolve this very difficult situation.” Landwehr and DNR fisheries chief Don Pereira noted that allowing for additional catch-and-release fishing in August is essential for area anglers, businesses, and Mille Lacs area communities. The decision to allow for this additional harvest was made with input from the Mille Lacs Fisheries Advisory Committee. “We want to allow as much walleye fishing on Mille Lacs as possible,” Pereira said. “So even though state anglers already have caught their quota of fish, the DNR will dip into the allowed conservation overage to reopen the season on Aug. 11.” Through the closure, anglers on Mille Lacs Lake may fish for all other species in the lake including bass, muskellunge and northern pike. When fishing for other species, only artificial baits and lures will be allowed in possession, except for anglers targeting northern pike or muskie, who may fish with sucker minnows longer than 8 inches. A prohibition on night fishing will remain in place from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. through Nov. 30. However, anglers may fish for muskie and northern pike at night, but may only use artificial lures longer than 8 inches or sucker minnows longer than 8 inches. Bowfishing for rough fish also is allowed at night but possession of angling equipment is not allowed and only rough fish may be in possession. Understanding walleye fishing quotas on Mille Lacs this year, and why that quota was reached earlier than predicted
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    • Rick
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