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swedishpimple

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Kyle Sandberg

I hate it. I know it's on the negative side but what did they do to keep all the fish on "their" side of the lake. I thought I read somewhere that nobody can own water. Sometimes I think the Gov't needs to step in and do something.

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CiscoKidd

I'm not a historian but I think they have the area because the government already stepped in. Careful what you wish for. When it comes to the government things can always get worse. I just try to enjoy what we have here already. A big beautiful place to fish. These are the good old days.

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kelly-p

Remember that "their" side is 82% of the Red Lakes. Our side is 18% of the lakes.

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Surface Tension

The band fell way, way short of their allowed lbs for the year and a lot less then what got taken from the eastern 1/3 of the lake.

As others have said the DNR & Band are working together to ensure that history doesn't repeat itself.

We can do that too by accepting the fact that the Band has rights given to them by our forefathers. No court of law will overturn those rights just as they can't overturn our Constitution.

Times have changed but thats not an argument in either case, Treaties or the Constitution.

Once you accept the fact that they own the 2/3 of URL, then you will grasp this concept.

If I have something you want and you try and take it from me, which by law you can't but go ahead and bring me to court and try and get it, which you won't win.

So now that you tried to take it from me then took me to court and failed, tell me why I should share it with you?

Its going to take a lot of time to repair that relationship. I might never give it to you but maybe my kid might get along with your kid and who knows what might happen. If both kids don't repeat history then they stand a chance to get along.

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Scott K

I have seen it on here before, but why dont the res. have guides, Im sure if they guided us for a dollar amount we would pay it, and they could make some money also.

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youngie22

I always thought a casino, hotel/ Fisihng & hunting lodge. Rich guys can pay for what they want to bring home or catch. And the Res. can make some money. Which I think they really need. I think you guys need more escalades up there!

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Pikester

Have you seen the trash left behind on the states 18% of the lake? Sometimes I really dont blame them for letting others fish the other side.

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Jimmy from Cottage Grove

wandering eyes I couldn't agree with you more. I have always thought of that. If they were too do guided trips. Or even charged you for some sort of pass to fish their side of the lake. I would think they could make alot more from doing that then they could selling walleyes. My dad goes bird hunting every year to an indian res in south dakota. They charge them quiet a bit, but it's the best hunting around. And it seems that both sides win.

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LABS4ME

That is our way of thinking... putting a dollar amount on something and buying the rights to it.

I can guarantee you that is not even remotley close to their way of thinking.

Good Luck!

Ken

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Jimmy from Cottage Grove

I am not trying to offend anyone here. I do see your point labs. It's just I always hear about how poor the red lake tribe is. I would like to see them better off.

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swedishpimple

On fishingminnesota.com there are people from all over the state that like to add their 2 cents. This is fine, this makes America what it is. The problem is Red Lake is a very closed community. Very few people outside of the Tribe ever really know what is goin on their. I hear a few more bits and pieces here in Bemidji, but by no means am I an expert. People in the Dakotas, Metro, and Sconnie Land that come up here to fish, pretty much do just that. They fish and leave and don't get to hear the local Bemidji news on Monday morning.

That all being said, I have a theory on why the Reservation is not open to resorts and casninos on Lower Red in Red Lake, Redby, Pohnemah, or anywhere along its shores.

It all comes down to alcohol. Many Minnesotans probably do not know that you can not buy or have alcohol on the Red Lake Reservation. As far as I know this has been true for many years.

When the "White Man" likes to go fishing he likes to drink before, during and after the fishing. This creates a real problem for a resort/casino/hotel on "dry" reservation.

I don't think that the BIA, FBI, Red Lake Nation, Beltrami or Clearwater counties would ever want to see the introduction of alcohol on the Reservation. I know there is drinking on the Reservation, but it does take some effort and planning to do so, which I feel really cuts down on the problems.

So....I feel part of the reason why the RLN has not constructed any resorts or casinos on their land is a business one. They are not sure that they can fill their resorts if there is not beer and whiskey for their guests.

and yes, there is a casino in Red Lake now....but nobody goes to it

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Scott K

I could force myself not to drink for a weekend of fishing lower red!

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Mike L

Could very well be. The existing 7 Clans casinos are dry.

My son knows several guys from Redby quite well. Unfortunately, it's in conjunction with their mutual CD treatment.

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upnorth

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I could force myself not to drink for a weekend of fishing lower red!


But how many others would? Or how many would break the rules and sneak booze in with them?

Or it could be that they are trying to keep somethings the way they were before the "white man" came to this land. Once they really open it up to us like that there would be no turning back, or very difficult to revert back to the way things are now.

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halad

Do you really think that the fishing on Lower Red would be that much better than Upper Red? Would it be worth a lot of money to you to be able to fish it? I have been fishing Upper for a lot of years and have a tough time getting to all the spots i like to fish in a year. What do you want on the lake, company you can find it, solitude you can find it. Face the fact that they want to keep what they have as it is and thats it...

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Scott K

I dont know if its better, but I sure would love to find out! Instead of them netting the fishery to make money off the walleyes, they could guide fishermen and make money off the walleyes. I think url will be over populated in the next 3-4 years, as the eyes grow to record sizes and the crappies are also. Thats when I would like to have the chance to check out new water. Im sure Im not alone on this thought. There is just soooooo much water there that my boat wants to see! But if that day never does happen there are plenty of other waters that will satisfy my needs! Just my 2 cents. And as far as no alcohol in the casino, may I remind you that the largest casino in mn also doesnt allow alcohol either( Mystic Lake), I dont think they are hurting for money.

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Scott K

Dont take this the wrong way, I do believe url is one of the top, if not the best fishery in mn, but just want to explore lower, or the west part of upper!

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The Donk

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It all comes down to alcohol. Many Minnesotans probably do not know that you can not buy or have alcohol on the Red Lake Reservation. As far as I know this has been true for many years.

I know there is drinking on the Reservation, but it does take some effort and planning to do so, which I feel really cuts down on the problems.


So what are you getting at? Just because they don't "allow" drinking in the res, they aren't going to drink??? I'm sorry, but what they choose to enforce on their reservation shouldn't concern me unless they step out of their "territory" and drink in my bar... Oh, wait, they do... mad.gif

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kelly-p

From the Star/Tribune tonight.

"The bodies of two Red Lake boys, missing since just before Thanksgiving, have been found, the FBI said at a press conference tonight in Minneapolis.

Tristan White, 4, and Avery Stately, 2, were first reported missing on November 22.

The bodies of the boys were found encased in ice in a lake about a half-mile from the boys' home on the reservation in far northern Minnesota, about 250 miles from the Twin Cities, said FBI special agent-in-charge Ralph Boelter."

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jlm

That really sounds "fishy" to me! Whatever the case, it is very, very sad!

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woodsandwaterguy

That is very sad i remember hearing of that earlier this year.

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upnorth

Here's a quote from the Red Lake Net News site.

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An FBI confirmed report has been received that the two missing boys have been found in Red Lake, in a small lake called First Thunder's Lake. The bodies of the two boys were recovered and the FBI continues its investigation. Further details will be released when they are received...KARE 11 News and FOX 9 News of Mpls. should have information on their websites


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This and more has already been debated on the is site. Here is the link.

http://www.fishingminnesota.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=784922&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1

Happy reading cool.gif Be aware that there is a bit of reading here.

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Scott K

Im glad they found the boys, although it is a sad ending, but at least it is an ending. The parents of these boys will now be able to move forward with their lives. I couldnt imagine loosing a child for that many months without knowing whats going on, it had to been hell!

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