Guests - If You want access to member only forums on FM. You will gain access only when you Sign-in or Sign-Up on Fishing Minnesota.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Keeter

Conflicting question......

18 posts in this topic

With the limited deer activity so far in the season I was thinking about what I would do if the first deer on stand that I saw was a small buck during the closing hours of season. I love venison but also believe in letting the young ones grow....that alone causes internal conflict with me. I am just curious to see what you guys would do. If you practice QDM but love venison....what would you do?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I buy an All-Season liscense and try again during the Muzzleloader season.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I passed up 3 does with aobut 4 fawns with them on opener w-end, I then passed up 3-more fawns the second w-end in Zone-2, there were 3 of us in our hunting party this year and we all strongly believe in QDM and we all got blanked this year. Needeless to say I will be buying the all season license next year and dust the Bow off and take a nice doe or two next year, If I was starving or grew up in the 1940's way up North when they shot deer for food and the dinner table, I would have taken all the fawns to fill our tags up. That's just my personal choice and I don't knock people who think differently too. Just remember all the shooting a person heard within hearing distance is the distance of all the deer in your area of a deer's range of 1-10-15 miles or so, just hope some spikes and fawns got spared for the years to come. Just my 2-cents.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would pull the trigger on the small buck, oh wait, I already did this year...venision is much better when you have a young tender deer...IMO...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Vension chops are much better than tag soup!! I'd shoot him.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Go with your gut feeling.

Personally, if it were my first year of bow hunting (which will be next year for me), I'd take it if it was the last day. If it were gun , I'd let it go.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Quote:

I passed up 3 does with aobut 4 fawns with them on opener w-end, I then passed up 3-more fawns the second w-end in Zone-2, there were 3 of us in our hunting party this year and we all strongly believe in QDM and we all got blanked this year. Needeless to say I will be buying the all season license next year and dust the Bow off and take a nice doe or two next year, If I was starving or grew up in the 1940's way up North when they shot deer for food and the dinner table, I would have taken all the fawns to fill our tags up. That's just my personal choice and I don't knock people who think differently too. Just remember all the shooting a person heard within hearing distance is the distance of all the deer in your area of a deer's range of 1-10-15 miles or so, just hope some spikes and fawns got spared for the years to come. Just my 2-cents.


Actually, if you were really practicing QDM, you would have taken a few does and fawns. QDM is quality deer management, and you can not have quality deer management if you don't take out some does/fawns.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Keeter,

Taking one or two small buck is still a part of QDM. QDM means keeping a healthy buck to doe ratio and culling enough deer so the environment can sustain the population.

Shoot and don't think twice if it is the only deer you see on the last day of hunting. With the lack of deer movement in your area, there are lots of deer not being shot. Therefore, it is mandated by QDM that you have to shoot that small buck. However, if you are practising BBM (Big Buck Management) and not QDM, then it would be wrong of you to shoot small bucks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"almostthere", we took 3 does and two nice bucks the year before. It's a person's personal choice what to take and when. One buck can breed a lot of does, I guess our QDM is working in our area when in the 15-years of hunting with our party we have taken 22-bucks with nothing under 8-points, we will have a new hunter next year in our party, "first timer deer hunting" and we will all be proud if he takes doe/fawn for his first deer. I guess if we start seeing less and less deear around we might have to rethink our QDM personal rules in our camp and if it's brown it's down and and see were that takes us the next 15-years.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

c&amagn,

It is a personal choice when it comes to picking and shooting deer. However, if you run QDM into the equation, there is a certain amount a bucks and a certain amount of does that you have to take out of the herd.

Our hunting area had the worst antlers on the planet. That was 3 years ago. We culled a whole bunch of deer (bucks, does, and fawns) and this year we took two of best sets of antlers we have ever seen. The problem was there was too many deer for the environment to support.

QDM does not change. What changes is the amount and sex of deer killed each year.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It definitely is up to the shooter. This brings up a good conversation though. If you had the chance to do it absolutely right...what would you want, to see deer everytime out...no matter what they were...or to see fewer deer and see mature animals when you do. It seems like everyone has their own opinions and what they want out of their herd.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Keeter,

If you are in a good spot and the deer herd is healthy, then yes you should expect to see at least one deer everytime: notice I said deer and not mature buck.

I eat what I kill and therefore I value each and every deer I take the same: all are trophies for me. However, if I am going to strive for a "head-on-the-wall" trophy, I would appreciate a buck from a land of very few mature bucks more than a buck from a litter of mature bucks milling around my treestand (like in some of the hunting shows taped in game farms). Now that is a "head-on-the-wall" I can be proud of.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So what if you decide NOT to pull the trigger on the young buck, only to have him go down the trail to get dropped by someone who loves venison even more then you do? confused.gifgrin.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

webwarrior, isn't that the truth!! Although, the only one out there that loves venison more than me has four legs and is going to get shot if he walks past my stand too!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I, personally, have no problem with shooting a button buck or a young doe. Even on opening day. They taste better, and I hunt for venison. Not that I'd pass on a big buck, but I prefer young deer on the table.

I read an article some time back (I wish I could remember where so I could quote it) about shooting fawns. The main point that it made was that whitetails have a pretty high mortality rate during their first winter. In most areas, does have twins, and the study found that usually, one of the twins dies within its first year. Of course, there are exceptions, especially during mild winters, etc., but I'd rather see that fawn on a plate than dead in the field.

Ben

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Keeter,

I;ve seen it happen.. I'd sit in my stand, go all day and see nothing then wham! a 4 pointer walks by, I pass up the shot, only for him to get shot 100 yards later.. DOH!@ haha

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Get into archery so ya can start in mid-september and have a couple does in the freezer by the opener of rifle season!! grin.gifgrin.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You aren't alone on that one warrior!! I had read an article in Deer and Deer Hunting mag that had said 92% of 6 month old fawns are bred. Not sure where they got that figure but I'll go with it. Anyway, the point of the article is that a fawn is a deer and will be bred and if you shoot one by the time you gut it and drag it the twin will be bred anyway.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Posts

    • Sunset Lodge
      Hello from the NW Angle of Lake of the Woods!

      Here in Minnesota, water temps are in the low to mid 60’s and the Walleyes keep rollin’ in! Wind blown shorelines are giving up walleyes via leeches and crank-baits right along the weed line. Crawlers on a gold and/or orange spinner are producing fish out of the mud between 22 and 26 feet. Jigging has been tough this week with the strong winds, but the Mayflies have finally tapered off!!
       
      Up on the Canadian side, bottom bouncing has been filling the live wells outside of monument bay between 24-28 feet.  Jigging near Skeet and Kennedy Islands have seen nice sized walleye and numerous perch. Great smallmouth action can currently be had in Tranquil channel and the mouth of Johnston passage. Muskie fishing is still sporadic with high 40” class fish being caught from shallow bottom bays or just outside of them. 

      Fish of the Week:
      49" and 46" Muskie
      40" Pike
      At least 10 Walleye over 25" 

      We hope to see you soon! Sunset Lodge
    • monstermoose78
      This is close to home for me. I love the dunes, but the refuge is messed up. The refuge told me they were brining native game birds back, so I was excited and said sharptailed grouse and the guy looked and me and said no ringnecked pheasants. I laughed at him and said really he said yes really. I told him ringnecked pheasants are invasive species he argued they are native and I walked out shaking my head.    The refuge could be a strong hold for sharptailed grouse, prairie chickens, and water fowl if they managed for them. The dune could extend this area. 
    • CaptainSeabass
      G'day guys, I've started up this post as I will be visiting Minnesota (to be specific the Stuart Lake in the Ottertail Lake area) and I would love to hook into some fish! I'm originally from the Netherlands, have lived in Australia for the last 8 years working as a fishing guide, I have moved to Dallas TX with my wife and now we will be visiting my in-laws in Minnesota. I would love to catch Musky, which I know West Battle Lake holds, and of course Walleye. I have been trying to look for areas that hold smallmouth but was unable to find any. I don't have a boat up there or anything so I know I will be in a massive disadvantage for musky but I will give it a try with waders. I would love to get as many tips as possible! Cheers!
    • thelars5
      This years West Central Bowhunter 60 will be held on August 12th and 13th with registration from 9am - 3pm Saturday and 9am - 2pm Sunday!   Come to enjoy the rolling hills and grasslands of the Prairie Woods Environmental Learning Center. Little Crow Archers of Willmar & Swift County Archers of Benson have teamed up to host this 60-Target 3-D shoot. Shoot it in one day, or make a weekend of it and shoot both days! Our promise is that you will not be disappointed!   Highlights include, Generous sized walking trails, On-site concessions, and seating deck! Stakes for : Adult, Youth, Traditional, and Cubs All on over 100 Acres! 90% Rinehart Targets   Full Course (60-Targets) $23 Adults ~ $15 Youth 16 & under ~ $60 Family Max 1/2 Course (30-Targets) $14 Adults ~ $8 Youth 16 & under ~ $36 Family Max   Shoot Location: Prairie Woods Environmental Learning Center 12718 10th St NE Spicer, MN 56288 GPS coordinates: N 45° 14.716 W 95° 1.777 @1.5 Miles West of Hwy 71 on County Road 29   www.littlecrowarchers.com
    • osok
         Personally I do seem to catch quite a few overs, some days it can be a challenge to find keeper fish ( stupid problem to have, huh?). One thing I notice is that all the fish seem to be very thick through out the classes.   While I was tackling some honey-do's I noticed that the breeze was a bit stiff, I'm sure it was a challenge to maintain a line or consistent  speed.   Over all was it a good day for you?
    • ZachD
      Nope that's exactly what I wanted to hear thank you probably will go to look at gander in forest lake to see if they have anything good left
    • ZachD
      There are good bass in Crooked too
    • DLD24
      Do you typically catch quite a few overs on fish? I fished it for the first time today and we got lots of gills and a few good quality eyes...The wind made boat control a pain.
    • monstermoose78
      lol I posted that Friday but with no service it must went when I ran into town for new hose
    • monstermoose78
      I was up over the weekend to do cabin duties. I did get laker trout at cascade river Friday mornings it was 17 inches but made for great trout and eggs breakfast. Agree with maple bacon longjohn and Chet's doughnut. Also a must stop for me is trail center for lunch the 3 Cheese grilled cheese is amazing with a chocolate and peanut butter milkshake. Just look at this lunch