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Eric Wettschreck

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Dude,

Only a month and a half left of rooster season. Even less than that for me if we get decent ice sooner.

boilerguy_1 at yahoo (Contact Us Please). Drop me a line, we need to shoot some roost-af-ahas and drink some ice cold and just plain gosh darn tastey pabst blue ribbon.

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We are close to being done at work... maybe one more week... then onto a months worth of hunting... Let's get something done the 1st half of December... I'll e-mail you, that's the best time to hunt them long-tails anyways!!!! Plus the Pabst never gets warm grin.gif

Good Luck!

Ken

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After muzzleloader season I will have time for birds. Being without a dog tends to make these birds difficult. Can I come too??? Please, please, please... Maybe you can give me some tips on what to look for in a dog too.

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Dude, I don't have a hunting dog either. Never stopped me before.

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I try to squeeze in what I can but the archery season cuts heavily into the bird season. I know we can still hunt without the dogs but it sure would make it easier to find downed birds. Plus its just enjoyable watching a good dog work.

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Agreed. Absolutely.

I've hunted over some really nice dogs and had a blast.

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B.G. That don't look like no cat in your avatar! Eagle as long as it's O.K. with B.G. it's good with me.

And Now... for the rest of the story! I have a 12 1/2 year old and 11 year old lab... hopefully the wheels don't come off before this (maybe their last) trip. I may also have my 11 month old along, who has yet to experience the flush of a cock bird... but SD is only 2-3 weeks away and I'm sure she will see plenty of them there! If the bolts and baling twine hold the two old dogs together, we will be able to put up and pick-up some birds... they're grizzled old veterans from days gone by when I actually made time to hunt!

Good Luck!

Ken

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The more the merrier.

That's no cat but he darn sure chases cats. Actually I've hunted over him and he hunts very well. If nothing else he sure covers a lot of ground real real real real fast. However, because I'm a terrible person and bad dog owner he doens't listen very well. Sooooooooooooooooo, when I hunt with him I have to tie a lead line to him and hold on to it.

If I'm alone this is very difficult. If other fellers come with me I have no problem leaving the shotgun in the truck and handling Jeffrey for the other fellas. Understand, he weights about 110 pounds so handling him without a gun is the safe way to go.

I do have a 11 year old lab cross. Her heart wants to go, but the legs just won't let her. I'd take her anyway but after about 20 seconds she's done.

Weekend of Dec 2 is bad for me cuz I'm on call. Weekend of Dec 9 or Dec 16 is awesome.

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Where are you guys going to be chasing the roosters? I am in the Tracy area with lots of WMA's in the surrounding area. I'm sure the birds are well into the running stage with all the pressure they have been getting. Hopefully I have at least one more deer by mid-December.

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We'll have to ask the "guide"!

Good Luck!

Ken

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Labs, I have seen other have asked you for advice about dogs so I was wondering if you are a breeder or just very knowledgable about labs. I was thinking of getting a yellow or fox red lab, preferably a pointing retriever. Whats your opinion about them?

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Boy this has the potential to be a long post... yellow and 'fox red' are one in the same. Both are just plain old yellow labs. Don't let the marketing hype make you believe you are getting some other kind of lab. Ivorys, snow whites, fox reds, british reds, etc. are all yellows, no ifs ands or buts.

With that said, choosing a reputable breeder, that is breeding quality stock is your most important hurdle in choosing a lab. It should be the #1 aspect of picking a pup. The amount of inherited disorders that are being bred into labs is unreal. Along with that are breeders taking in zero consideration for the true labrador physical traits. They were bred the way the standard dictates for a reason, but so many are now snipey, long legged, wirey coated dogs that in no way fit into the labrador mold. As I've pointed out many times, how often did you see a lab wearing a neoprene vest 15 years ago?

Once you have found a breeder that you trust, you can worry about color and if it is out of pointing stock or not. Just because you are buying from proven pointing stock in no way insures that you will end up with a pointing lab. It definitley tilts the odds in your favor, but guarantees nothing. I have also owned two labs that came from no known pointing lines that were tremendous pointers. I have never, nor never will train one to point. If it is in their blood and they naturally take to it, so be it, but if they are as they were bred, strong flushers, that works for me as well. I take what the dog gives me.

This is just generalizations and a quick guideline, if you need more specifics let me know, I'll do my best to answer them, either here or if you go hunting with us.

Good luck!

Ken

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Thanks for the great information, I'm sure I'll have more questions later. I do understand that they are all basically yellow labs. I was referring more to the tone of color in any particular dog. I am interested in a lab because I would like to both waterfowl and pheasant. A pointer because I think it is great hunting with them. You never said whether or not you are a breeder and/or trainer?

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I still do a very limited amount of breeding. I do not have one planned as I type. I have a client with a 4 year-old offspring of one of my last litters who is QAA and has a couple of pups left to sell. I used to be an 'on the side' trainer, but have since gotten out of that. With my job, I'm lucky if I have enough time to devote to my own dogs. I ran trials for a couple of years and ran and judged hunt tests for around 8 years almost full time. Been with labs 2o years and have had the pleasure of putting my hand over close to 2 dozen in that time. Some better, some worse, all were fun.

Again the varying tones of the yellow coat have no correlation as to the final outcome of your dog. It's just varying shades of hair color, no different than humans... although I think a 'natural' yellow shade of hair in humans is real hard to come by! grin.gif It is only personal preference as to which you desire. Some like them light, some like them dark... It's funny how the whims of puppy buyers change when a 'new' name is given to a varying shade color and they become in vogue. 15 years ago it was hard to sell a reddish colored pup, but then someone came up with 'fox red' and they were all the rage. Now someone came out with British Reds and they go for many hundreds more than a similar dog or even litter mate with a different shade of coat. 20 years ago no one wanted the light yellows as they showed to much dirt, but alas; Ivorys and Snow Whites came out and they were impossible to breed fast enough. Too many people buying pups based on color as their first criteria, is promoting indiscriminate breeding for 'color' as the first and most essential priority of the breeding. Choose your breeder and pup wisely as it is a long committment once the transaction is complete.

Good Luck!

Ken

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Come on Lab's. Just tell them to get one of them pretty chocolates and they're all set wink.gif Jezebel has worked out better than Greg let on. Give me a call when the season is done. Maybe do a pheasant hunt if time allows but definitly need some landscaping advice on the new digs.

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Heck, Bryce even sold me one them black labs that no one seems to like anymore. And, despite my best efforts to botch up her training, she's turning into a very good hunting dog. But, even better, she's more obedient and well mannered than I could have ever hoped for. Thanks, Bryce. I would recommend one of Jez's pups in a heartbeat. Plus, Diamond really looks forward to having more nieces and nephews.

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Guide??? Didja just call me a guide???

I've been called a lot of different things in my life, but never guide.

We can go where ever yous guys want. Yes, birdies are getting freaked out and getting up way in front. All this means is you have to hunt smart. Slamming truck doors, yelling at dogs, talking loud to each other is a sure fire way to not get a shot off all day.

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Someone has to be the guide so there is someone to blame if there are no birds :-) But just think all the praise you get if there are birds...

Ken, thanks for your knowledge and willingness to share. I've heard a breeder that gets his breeding stock from England and people claim they are so good. I'm not sure I buy that other than the hype that they originate from England. Is there anything special about breeding stock from there or basically the same as any good breeder around here?

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British dogs tend to be calmer, more tractible dogs than their American couterparts. The only hesitation I have of the British dogs is that their hip and elbow registry is years behind America's... I'm considering a British import for my next Lab. I bred to a direct Scottish import 3 litters ago and really liked the outcome. I have a lot of interaction with to of the progeny. You do need to train them different than American dogs, but they remind me more of what we had with our labs in the 70's and 80's both physically and their attitude/personality.

Good Luck!

Ken

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I can live without praise, but if you need someone to blame go ahead and hit me, I have big shoulders. grin.gif

Should we get into a bird or 2, yous guys can praise yourselves and buy me a Pabst.

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Ray, we've moved if you haven't heard. Lot's of room for the doggies to run down here in Shakopee. Contact us about bringing Diamond down for a romp this winter. Melissa just loves to see her puppies all grown up.

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Bryce,

I did hear that you moved. And, Lord knows Diamond would be up for that. I'll have to try to get that arranged. Heck, maybe we can just invite ourselves down to Boilerguy's area in December with Labs. grin.gif

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Bryce, do you breed any labs with the yellow to red colors? Last spring I inquired about some red colored labs from someone near you in Savage. I've got the name and number somewhere but do you know anything about them. I have also had my eye on a web site for Sauk River labs. Has anyone heard anything about them. Quality web site, just wondering if the same is in the dogs they breed. Their top stud dog is an offspring of "Raider".

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C'mon down. You know the area. We'll be hunting in Dougs back yard!!!! grin.gif

Prolly a good chance we'll be tippin an ice cold and gosh darn tastey pabst at the local pub, too.

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BG,

I'll be down there Monday and Tuesday. If you see an extended cab red '99 F-150 with an 8 foot box, start honking and swerving at me. I'll pullover for a chat.

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    • rundrave

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      I think you need to go back to basics. What you are trying to do doesn't have to be reinforced in just the boat.

      You need that dog to obey and listen to each command you give. If you are trying to get her to sit/stay then that's what you need to work on.

      You can practice and work on that command every time you open the door to the kennel to let the dog out. You tell her to sit/stay and you open the door. If she doesn't you know close the door and repeat.

      Every time you give your dog a bowl of food don't just give it to her make her sit/stay before she get its. There are  varieties of situation that the sit command can be used for. Start with small exercises and work your way up to bigger more complicated tasks, repetition, repetition repetition. Be sure to praise and always try to end work on a positive note. 

      I think the most important thing is don't give a command you cant reinforce.

    • Musky hunter 82

      Posted

      I made it out last night, saw a small buck and a nice doe at 20 yards but to quite to hear them and since I'm in some really thick stuff I didn't see them until they were on top of me.  Also saw another deer 40 yards away but couldn't tell what it was, then spooked something behind (not the direction the deer normally head to in the evening) me as I was getting down.  Almost had a Coyote in the CRP grass when I was walking out, big sucker and the second one see in two sits now (one by my wife and now by me), the land owner said that they are coming up on to his yard now.  I've hunted this ground for 12 years and this is the first year I've seen a coyote while hunting.

      Here's a couple of views from the stand, going to move it to the edge of the CRP field that is about 30 yards behind me.

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    • paceman

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      Made it out for a very short sit Saturday Night. Thunder storms had my son and I scrambling for the truck. Our view. Lots of good deer sign in area. Early SE Corn.JPG

    • 750 this week only Im losing money on this but would rather have someone be able to use it than for it to just sit around. After this week I am going to winterize it and it will no longer be for sale.

    • How is she on the sit command?  That is the basis of everything.  She needs to learn to sit still and wait until the next command.  I don't even teach my dogs "stay" because it isn't necessary if they are solid on "sit".  Every dog has the ability to be steady, it is up to you to teach them.  A lab that isn't steady in the boat is not only annoying, it is potentially dangerous with loaded guns and the potential to capsize a boat in open water. 

      If she knows sit but just needs some reinforcement, it may just take a couple trips where you don't even bring the gun along and let others shoot while you handle the dog. 

      If she's real bad, I would recommend going back to the basics. It will be tougher with an older dog versus a puppy but is definitely worth it. Check out the retriever training DVDS by Bill Hillman. They are spendy but definitely worth it.

    • easyrider25

      Posted

      Looking for advice on keeping the dog focused and quiet in the duck boat.  Was out today and we shot enough ducks to keep her busy, however my dog is such a hyper hypo that it's a  little annoying.  Either whining or jumping back and forth from the front and back of the boat.  Do I just need to establish the expectation and keep on her till she finally gets it or is this how some dogs are in the boat? This is her 4th year duck hunting and she has continued to improve each season.  Overall I am happy with her work, especially with the limited amount of hunting I do.  We were out today for 3 hours, shot 8 birds and she did great on the retrieving end and is pretty much focused on the skies, but if something is not constantly dropping from them I feel like I have a screaming baby on my hands.  It's not really that bad, just very annoying.   I would just like her to sit in her spot, stare at the skies and wait for my command.  Is this to much to ask?

    • On 9/24/2016 at 3:30 PM, ZachD said:

      she's getting big

      She's up to 38 pounds at a few days short of 5 months and does not stop going 100 mph. She got exposed to a lot of feathers this weekend at duck camp. She retrieved dead ducks and geese in the yard after our hunts. The goose was a bit big so I chopped a wing off and worked with that after she picked it up and barely made it back a short distance to me. 

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    • delcecchi

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      Maybe that is how they can stay in business 

    • flagislanddan

      Posted

      Fishing Report from Flag Island Resort Lake of the Woods, Northwest Angle 9/25/16

       

      Happy Fall!

       

      On the Minnesota side fishing has been great around Soldier’s and Mergan’s Point. Most points have been producing fish as well as bays due to shiners moving into the bays. Raps and spinners have been successful as well as 3/8 ounce jigs with the jig bite turning back on. Shiners, crawlers and fatheads have all been attracting the fish. The magic depth has been between 8 and 18 feet. The duck and goose opener has been successful with many resident birds still around we have not seen any signs of northern birds in the area. There have been many Woodducks and Mallards around.

       

      Over on the Ontario side the Walleye bite has been great and the Crappies are picking up. Anglers have been targeting fall spots and jigging in 18-28 feet of water. Emerald shiners are on the move to spawn so watch for them in channels and bays with creeks. The water temp is cooling down and is approximately at 62 degrees. Trolling for Muskies in 10-18 feet has also been good.

       

      The leaves are starting to change colors and there is definitely a chill in the air but, there is still plenty of time to get in on some wonderful fall fishing. The best part about fall fishing is some of the great wildlife you get to see out and about. Also, it is a good time to start thinking about your winter ice fishing trip, we would love to have you as our guest!

       

      Until next week, good luck fishing!

      Guides Dan Schmidt, Jeremy Glessing and Devin Rau

       

      Flag Island Resort

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    • flagislanddan

      Posted

      Fishing Report from Flag Island Resort Lake of the Woods, Northwest Angle 9/26/16

       

      Happy Fall!

       

      On the Minnesota side fishing has been great around Soldier’s and Mergan’s Point. Most points have been producing fish as well as bays due to shiners moving into the bays. Raps and spinners have been successful as well as 3/8 ounce jigs with the jig bite turning back on. Shiners, crawlers and fatheads have all been attracting the fish. The magic depth has been between 8 and 18 feet. The duck and goose opener has been successful with many resident birds still around we have not seen any signs of northern birds in the area. There have been many Woodducks and Mallards around.

       

      Over on the Ontario side the Walleye bite has been great and the Crappies are picking up. Anglers have been targeting fall spots and jigging in 18-28 feet of water. Emerald shiners are on the move to spawn so watch for them in channels and bays with creeks. The water temp is cooling down and is approximately at 62 degrees. Trolling for Muskies in 10-18 feet has also been good.

       

      The leaves are starting to change colors and there is definitely a chill in the air but, there is still plenty of time to get in on some wonderful fall fishing. The best part about fall fishing is some of the great wildlife you get to see out and about. Also, it is a good time to start thinking about your winter ice fishing trip, we would love to have you as our guest!

       

      Until next week, good luck fishing!

      Guides Dan Schmidt, Jeremy Glessing and Devin Rau

       

      Flag Island Resort

      218-223-8011

       

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  • Posts

    • rundrave
      I think you need to go back to basics. What you are trying to do doesn't have to be reinforced in just the boat. You need that dog to obey and listen to each command you give. If you are trying to get her to sit/stay then that's what you need to work on. You can practice and work on that command every time you open the door to the kennel to let the dog out. You tell her to sit/stay and you open the door. If she doesn't you know close the door and repeat. Every time you give your dog a bowl of food don't just give it to her make her sit/stay before she get its. There are  varieties of situation that the sit command can be used for. Start with small exercises and work your way up to bigger more complicated tasks, repetition, repetition repetition. Be sure to praise and always try to end work on a positive note.  I think the most important thing is don't give a command you cant reinforce.
    • Musky hunter 82
      I made it out last night, saw a small buck and a nice doe at 20 yards but to quite to hear them and since I'm in some really thick stuff I didn't see them until they were on top of me.  Also saw another deer 40 yards away but couldn't tell what it was, then spooked something behind (not the direction the deer normally head to in the evening) me as I was getting down.  Almost had a Coyote in the CRP grass when I was walking out, big sucker and the second one see in two sits now (one by my wife and now by me), the land owner said that they are coming up on to his yard now.  I've hunted this ground for 12 years and this is the first year I've seen a coyote while hunting. Here's a couple of views from the stand, going to move it to the edge of the CRP field that is about 30 yards behind me.
    • paceman
      Made it out for a very short sit Saturday Night. Thunder storms had my son and I scrambling for the truck. Our view. Lots of good deer sign in area.
    • ZachD
      750 this week only Im losing money on this but would rather have someone be able to use it than for it to just sit around. After this week I am going to winterize it and it will no longer be for sale.
    • MattL
      How is she on the sit command?  That is the basis of everything.  She needs to learn to sit still and wait until the next command.  I don't even teach my dogs "stay" because it isn't necessary if they are solid on "sit".  Every dog has the ability to be steady, it is up to you to teach them.  A lab that isn't steady in the boat is not only annoying, it is potentially dangerous with loaded guns and the potential to capsize a boat in open water.  If she knows sit but just needs some reinforcement, it may just take a couple trips where you don't even bring the gun along and let others shoot while you handle the dog.  If she's real bad, I would recommend going back to the basics. It will be tougher with an older dog versus a puppy but is definitely worth it. Check out the retriever training DVDS by Bill Hillman. They are spendy but definitely worth it.