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Labs 4 me - Agressive Lab

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Last week I was hunting in ND with my 1 1/2 yr old lab when for the first time he became aggressive with the other dogs in the hunting party. (by the way hunting was sub-par) He has trained and worked with other dogs in the past and has yet to show this behavior. The other dogs were also labs (5 yr old male & 6 mth old female) and for some reason he was extremely aggressive towards the female to the point of drawing blood. I am at loss for why this occurred and am looking for any suggestions for how to break him of this behavior. There has been other altercations with other dogs but he is usually on the receiving end of the aggression. He is well mannered and for the most part very passive however he is also very focused in the field and well obedient. There are other factors that could have led to this but it would take too long to type. SUGGESTION PLEASE.

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Dogs are like people - they don't always all get along. It may have been a dominance thing, but it really is hard to comment without seeing what happened and the other stuff that takes to long to type might be the reason. If it was my dog, I would get on him for the behavior to let me know it is not OK, and I would do it forcefully. Drawing blood is not good. Then again, maybe he was just having a bad day.

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Hoggs, are these the dogs that you usually hunt / train with? Were they in the act of hunting or just hanging around the truck after the hunt? Were there birds near by? Was the female acting like a typical 6 month old pup? Beginning or end of the day ar all the time? Give me a little more to go on... here's some general guidelines...

1st, off never, ever condone any aggressive behavior. You have to end it here and now when it shows. If he gets a taste of being dominant and running the show, you'll have some incidents you won't want to watch unfold. I'd tackle him immediatley and get him on his back in a sub-ordinate, defensive posture and get in his face to let him know that this will not be tolerated. Make sure your buddies are controlling their dogs at that time too... Let him back up and command him to sit at heel and not make a move.

2nd, your dog is young but is at a stage where he is nearing maturity. If the little female was antagonizing him as a lot of pups will, it sometimes will be like dynamite near an open fire. Still not an excuse, but he may have been overly wound up from the hunt or tired after the hunt and his stress level couldn't handle the puppy...

3rd, never leave birds lying around for your dog to guard... no matter how well behaved you think he is! This is usually a recipe for disaster. They are your birds. At the end of the field or the end of the hunt, make sure the birds are secured and not available for any dog to 'claim' as his.

4th, never allow all dogs to water at the bucket at the same time. They each get their chance. Again take away any opportunity for reactionary strikes. along those lines, when you are feeding him, make sure you can at any time put your hand in his food, take away his food and even lay along side him while he is eating... this is always one of the surest ways to insure you do not have an overly dominant animal. If they give up their food, they understand they are not at the top of the heap.

5th off, how often has he been the one on the recieving end? He may have been learning some of this dominance trait by getting his butt kicked by other dogs and it was 'his turn' to try it out. Again... DO NOT CONDONE IT. But in all fairness, as I said earlier, do not let your buddy allow his dog to antagonize your dog if that is what happened. If she is an out of control puppy, a leash or in the crate is the fairest way to treat the situation.

Hope some of this helps... If these are the dogs you intend to hunt with more in the future, I'd get them together as often as possible away form the hunt to 'socialize' them with each other so as too not worry about them creating a pecking order out in the field.

Good Luck!

Ken

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    • Ya I think my dog would want to go after them he gets really excited around other dogs. That's why I will never hunt him without his e collar because I know I can stop him in his tracks with it. My dog likes to hunt close and I never let him push out way in front of me so at least I have eyes on him at all time and can give him the command to come to me if I see a wolf. I always keep a slip lead with me as well so I can put that on him and not have my hand tide up reaching down holding on his collar.

      I had a couple run in with wolves last year in the Longville/Remer area but that was just with me on foot with no dog.

      The one thing that gets me is "Only agents of the government are authorized to take wolves if pets or livestock are threatened, attacked or killed" 

      I don't think I could just stand there and watch my dog die.

      Anyway did you hunt a different area? Any birds I have only been out once in the mille lacs area and didn't see any. Going to Nemadji this weekend and should see some.

       

    • smalliehunter

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      Add Sallie to the list.

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      Went up north of Tofte last weekend camping/looking for a few grouse and to see the fall colors. Was in the region of the grade and 600 road. Pulled off on a walk only trail to run my lab and see if I could kick a few. Anyhow, my lab sits and barks like hell with anticipation at me every time I'm getting the gun out and getting ready to hunt her. So for about 5 minutes she's harassing me loud barking with excitement. We start walking down the trail maybe 50 yards and I see all this brown commotion jumping around ahead of us about 75 yards. At first I think we startled some deer. Then one came out full on the trail and stood watching me/dog. They were timber wolves. That one slunk off in the woods and another came out and just sat there looking at us for about a minute or so. When I noticed they were wolves I grabbed the dog by the caller. They seemed interested in my dog. Her barking must have drew them in. They ran off after looking us over a bit. I turned around and left that spot to avoid any issues. I'm thinking that maybe some younger bird dogs would be enticed to chase after wolves that show this kind of interest in them. In my opinion that would be bad and a dog may not come back alive, given their boldness and interest in my dog. It was fun seeing them, but we didn't just walk up and surprise them, they were coming to see the barking dog. Just curious? Maybe. Looking for an easy meal, maybe. I'm just putting this out there to inform bird hunters up there what I saw, so they can be aware if they have dogs. And no they were not coyotes. 

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      • Finland State Forest heading northeast along County Road 7 from Finland.

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      • Bowstring and Blackduck state forests along state Highway 46 between Deer River and Northome.
      • Pillsbury State Forest along Beauty Lake Forest Road between County Road 77 and County Road 1.
      • St. Croix and Nemadji state forests loop. From Interstate 35, take exit #183 and head east on state Highway 48. Head north on County Road 24. Head east on County Road 24. At Markville, head north on County Road 31. Head west on Park Forest Road. At Kerrick, head south on state Highway 23 to Interstate 35 exit #195.

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      Visit the Minnesota state parks and trails Fall Color Finder at www.mndnr.gov/fall_colors to find areas in Minnesota with peak fall color. The Fall Color Finder is updated every Thursday through the end of October.

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    • ZachD
      Ya I think my dog would want to go after them he gets really excited around other dogs. That's why I will never hunt him without his e collar because I know I can stop him in his tracks with it. My dog likes to hunt close and I never let him push out way in front of me so at least I have eyes on him at all time and can give him the command to come to me if I see a wolf. I always keep a slip lead with me as well so I can put that on him and not have my hand tide up reaching down holding on his collar. I had a couple run in with wolves last year in the Longville/Remer area but that was just with me on foot with no dog. The one thing that gets me is "Only agents of the government are authorized to take wolves if pets or livestock are threatened, attacked or killed"  I don't think I could just stand there and watch my dog die. Anyway did you hunt a different area? Any birds I have only been out once in the mille lacs area and didn't see any. Going to Nemadji this weekend and should see some.  
    • smalliehunter
      A friend and I will also be up chasing smallmouth this weekend!!!
    • slammer
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    • BlackArrow1
      Went up north of Tofte last weekend camping/looking for a few grouse and to see the fall colors. Was in the region of the grade and 600 road. Pulled off on a walk only trail to run my lab and see if I could kick a few. Anyhow, my lab sits and barks like hell with anticipation at me every time I'm getting the gun out and getting ready to hunt her. So for about 5 minutes she's harassing me loud barking with excitement. We start walking down the trail maybe 50 yards and I see all this brown commotion jumping around ahead of us about 75 yards. At first I think we startled some deer. Then one came out full on the trail and stood watching me/dog. They were timber wolves. That one slunk off in the woods and another came out and just sat there looking at us for about a minute or so. When I noticed they were wolves I grabbed the dog by the caller. They seemed interested in my dog. Her barking must have drew them in. They ran off after looking us over a bit. I turned around and left that spot to avoid any issues. I'm thinking that maybe some younger bird dogs would be enticed to chase after wolves that show this kind of interest in them. In my opinion that would be bad and a dog may not come back alive, given their boldness and interest in my dog. It was fun seeing them, but we didn't just walk up and surprise them, they were coming to see the barking dog. Just curious? Maybe. Looking for an easy meal, maybe. I'm just putting this out there to inform bird hunters up there what I saw, so they can be aware if they have dogs. And no they were not coyotes. 
    • ANYFISH2
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