Guests - If You want access to member only forums on FM. You will gain access only when you Sign-in or Sign-Up on Fishing Minnesota.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
sawgrass

Hunting Public vs. Private Property on Pheasant Opener

18 posts in this topic

We have several guys that own a couple hundred acres out in Western Minnesota and there are lots of pheasants around. One of the guys wants to not hunt pheasants on our land on opener but rather hunt public lands because he feels that we will then be able to save our land for more birds later in the year. My take is that I paid a good chunk of money to be part of this land and only get out there 3-4 times a year so I’d like to hunt our land. Plus, I’ll have my son with me.

I also believe that pheasants move around from location to location and that ‘saving’ our land for a couple days will not have any material effect on the number of birds that may make it through winter and have more chicks come spring. I feel that winter will pose the most dramatic effect towards their survival. I’ve also heard that it doesn’t take that many roosters to breed a multitude of hens. Not sure if I’m making sense. We have some great cover and crazy me, I’d like to hunt it our land on opener. I just want to be able to show my buddy that it will make no difference if we hunt our land vs. public land. Any thoughts?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

They move around and hunting a certain chunk doesn't "Burn" it like shooting geese on their roost.

If it were my land I'd hunt it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Depending on where it is I would hunt both. What I mean is that I would get to a good public land spot early and hit it as soon as legal. Then later in the day after the birds have been pushed to the corn. I would hunt your spot. Best of both worlds. Hunting land will not ruin it for later. I have been to the same spots numerous time in the same year and everytime shot birds. Pheasants do not migrate and can honestly only move so far. They will not fly to another town. The more the close public land gets hit they may use your land as a safe haven. Waiting for you guys to hunt them. I have found that if you hunt the same spots once a week or so. You will find plenty of birds everytime you hunt it. They are not like deer, or geese. Pheasants do get smarter over the season but I don't believe they will vacate. If you have Food water and cover they will always be there. Good luck and have fun

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well I wish I had your problem.......All I ever hunt is public land and I know some of it gets pounded all year long, seams like there is always birds there in December in the thick stuff and no matter how many birds are shot there is some the next year.

Last year I shot 9 birds off a WMA during the course of the season and saw at least 10 shot by others with me or that I talked to, no worries there will be birds there again this year.

I don't think pheasants roost in the same spots every night, not from my observations, and if you shoot them now or shoot them in 2 months there still gone next spring....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I thought twice before posting but I can't help it. Not all of us can afford to own hunting land and have to rely on public. Hunting public before your own just sounds plain selfish to me! mad.gif

Why else would they want to do this besides hoarding confused.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If it were me i would definately hunt the public land before the private land. In western minnesota you should have no problem filling out early if you hit the public land as soon as it is legal, assuming that you have a decent dog. I would have to dissagree with the earlier posts saying that birds dont get "burned" off a spot. think about the ratio of hens to roosters you see mid season on public land.(It can get as bad as 5-1) and i dont know if you've ever hunted "virgin" land mid season (about 1-1, sometimes better ratio). Pheasants arent dumb, they will go to where they are not getting absolutely pounded and stay there. Opening day public land is going to be just as good as your private land anyway.

That's just my two cents.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Won't even see my private land spots opening weekend. Public, public and more public land grin.gif

I have very few private land spots and the ones I do have I save for a "rainy day". The majority of the season I hunt WMA's due to my lack of private land options.

Either or I still shoot birds.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I live in Western MN and we own lots of private land - mostly agricutural, but a lot of pheasant holding cover also. There is also a vast amount of public land around us - in fact our farmland is adjacent to a lot of it (which also means we deal with some tresspassing issues from time to time.) My money goes toward the public land just like any other person - I have every right to hunt the public land like anyone else - it is not selfesh - I say hit a good public spot first and then hunt your private land- we do it all the time.

FI

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In my experience in heavily hunted areas the birds will move to lesser hunted pieces of land as long as there is adequate cover and a solid foodsource. Mostly it just depends on what is around your piece of land. If the neighboring land isn't hunted they may take up residence there. It just depends on what is around you and hunting pressure. A small amount of hunting may not have any affect? Also with a couple of hundred acres of land a group of guys you may need to hunt other pieces too, just so you have enough land for everyone. Sometimes it doesn't take too long to cover a couple of hundred acres. I'd say hunt both.

Jason Erlandson

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I guess my theory was to avoid the crowds, ya sure on opener public and private are equal, but theres 4 trucks on every public spot around me that day.

Later in the year I look for public land that has cattail sloughs with no other private cover around for a good distance that is thick enough to hold birds.

Saw over 200 birds get out of a grove that 2 guys made a drive through last year on public land, they had no dog so they shot there 1 bird that they got a shot at somehow...... I went over and helped them find it with my dog and then they posted up the end of the slough while I went thourgh. Every group of birds I flushed was 1 to 1 hens and roosters if not better sometimes there was 7 -8 roosters in the air, I could only shoot out to the side but I managed my 2 birds and 2 partridge as well as those guys getting 3 more.

My point is that public land can be just as good as private if you look for it but why deal with the hassel on the opener?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Saw,

I have the perfect solution. Let your buddy hunt where he wants and you just head on out to your land with your boy. Why should a buddy ruin a good hunting experience for your boy? It is your land. If your buddy chooses to be selfish by hitting public land first, just to save your land for later, let him. You just take your boy to your land and have the hunt of his life.

This situation of yours is a perfect example for teaching your son hunter etiquettes.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

First Ice, long time no talk buddy. Any birds in your area this year? I think I will be hunting public land this weekend and would have to agree with the posts that public is just as good as private. Sure public land gets hit hard the first few weekends but I have found many spots that when they are left alone during the week for a few days that they will be holding just as many birds as private, but they key is to get out a day or so early. As far as birds being pushed out of public land while being hunted, where do you think the birds from the private land go when they are pushed? On another note, keep your dogs at close guard this weekend with all the vehicle traffic that is going to be going on, I had a bad experience last year that I would prefer to never go through again, right First Ice?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What's up Chuck? Yeah - not fun having a dog hit by a vehicle - kinda ruins the hunt. There are some birds around - don't think I'll be able to hunt this weekend cause I have to work, but I know Rhino is going to be shooting holes in the sky........... give him a call if you're in the area. Later

FI

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Quote:

If your buddy chooses to be selfish by hitting public land first, just to save your land for later, let him.


This is not selfesh - I'd hunt both......... It's a perk of being a landowner.

FI

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I wish i had money to buy land. Pheasant opener is a big day, I think you should hunt your land with your kid.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just got back from a nice drive around the country side. Started out a bit before sunrise. Every public area I drove by had vehicles parked in the lot. Just standing around watching the clock and staking out their area.

It reinforced why I never do openers of any kind. Can't stand the crowds. But that's just me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

island guy....I agree with you....thats why I am thinking about chasing some Ruffies this afternoon ....should not be as crowded

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That is exactly why I am posting on this thread at 10:39 am right now, instead of being on a road looking at packed parking lots, at some WMA's.The dog is really bugging me today, so I may have to get out later on to let him run around a bit.Nothing against folks who do the opener, it's just not a big deal for me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0

  • Posts

    • Ya I think my dog would want to go after them he gets really excited around other dogs. That's why I will never hunt him without his e collar because I know I can stop him in his tracks with it. My dog likes to hunt close and I never let him push out way in front of me so at least I have eyes on him at all time and can give him the command to come to me if I see a wolf. I always keep a slip lead with me as well so I can put that on him and not have my hand tide up reaching down holding on his collar.

      I had a couple run in with wolves last year in the Longville/Remer area but that was just with me on foot with no dog.

      The one thing that gets me is "Only agents of the government are authorized to take wolves if pets or livestock are threatened, attacked or killed" 

      I don't think I could just stand there and watch my dog die.

      Anyway did you hunt a different area? Any birds I have only been out once in the mille lacs area and didn't see any. Going to Nemadji this weekend and should see some.

       

    • smalliehunter

      Posted

      A friend and I will also be up chasing smallmouth this weekend!!!

    • slammer

      Posted

      Add Sallie to the list.

    • BlackArrow1

      Posted

      Went up north of Tofte last weekend camping/looking for a few grouse and to see the fall colors. Was in the region of the grade and 600 road. Pulled off on a walk only trail to run my lab and see if I could kick a few. Anyhow, my lab sits and barks like hell with anticipation at me every time I'm getting the gun out and getting ready to hunt her. So for about 5 minutes she's harassing me loud barking with excitement. We start walking down the trail maybe 50 yards and I see all this brown commotion jumping around ahead of us about 75 yards. At first I think we startled some deer. Then one came out full on the trail and stood watching me/dog. They were timber wolves. That one slunk off in the woods and another came out and just sat there looking at us for about a minute or so. When I noticed they were wolves I grabbed the dog by the caller. They seemed interested in my dog. Her barking must have drew them in. They ran off after looking us over a bit. I turned around and left that spot to avoid any issues. I'm thinking that maybe some younger bird dogs would be enticed to chase after wolves that show this kind of interest in them. In my opinion that would be bad and a dog may not come back alive, given their boldness and interest in my dog. It was fun seeing them, but we didn't just walk up and surprise them, they were coming to see the barking dog. Just curious? Maybe. Looking for an easy meal, maybe. I'm just putting this out there to inform bird hunters up there what I saw, so they can be aware if they have dogs. And no they were not coyotes. 

    • ANYFISH2

      Posted

      Made it out yesterday evening, SAW 4 deer. The same small buck and 3 does.  They sure seemed skittish with the wind.

      For the fact I am getting very few daytime pics of any deer, I am at lest seeing a few every sit.

    • delcecchi

      Posted

      The crescent and south switch meet all the criteria, except for boat access.   And they even usually have some sort of craft beer on tap, like surly furious etc. 

      The only place near the lake that has upscale food that I am aware of is the casino.    We try to get to the wilderness grill for lunch a time or two.   And daughter and husband will sometimes go there on date night while they are up, although the pull to the east is less now that the quilt shop in tower shut down. 

    • I am going up this weekend with a few buddies and the plan is to fish hard...will post back and let ya know if we find anything.

    • cabin040

      Posted

      Was up for the week of Sept 10-17th.  First day spent on East and West Fox lake and we did well on bass, crappie and northerns.  Second day was very slow fishing.  Spent one day on Kego and did well on bass and norhterns.  Hit Mitchel twice and did well on sunfish and bass.  A few nice crappies in the mix as well.  Went to Little Boy for a day of walleye fishing, and it was very slow.  1 walleye and 1 smallmouth bass.  Great week of fishing on a few new lakes.  A very nice area to explore.

      1 person likes this
    • Cliff Wagenbach

      Posted

      The trees are turning color fast now! Seems to gain color by the hour now!

      Cliff

    • Driving a scenic route through a state forest is a great way to view fall color, according to the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources.  

      Finland State Forest

      Finland State Forest

      “Routes through hilly or rugged areas dominated by deciduous trees tend to have the best mix of color,” said Jennifer Teegarden, DNR forestry outreach specialist. “And the dark green needles of conifers accent the yellow, orange and red leaves of deciduous trees in mixed forest.”

      Here are a few state forests routes to consider:

      Late September

      • Finland State Forest heading northeast along County Road 7 from Finland.

      Early October

      • Bowstring and Blackduck state forests along state Highway 46 between Deer River and Northome.
      • Pillsbury State Forest along Beauty Lake Forest Road between County Road 77 and County Road 1.
      • St. Croix and Nemadji state forests loop. From Interstate 35, take exit #183 and head east on state Highway 48. Head north on County Road 24. Head east on County Road 24. At Markville, head north on County Road 31. Head west on Park Forest Road. At Kerrick, head south on state Highway 23 to Interstate 35 exit #195.

      Mid-October

      • Richard J. Dorer Memorial Hardwood State Forest has two good options. Along Zumbro Bottoms Road off of state Highway 60 southwest of Wabasha. Along state Highway 16 between Interstate 90 and state Highway 26.

      Visit www.mndnr.gov/stateforests for information about visiting a state forest and additional scenic routes. Entrance into a state forest is free. State forest campsites are available on a first-come, first-served basis for $14 a night.

      Visit the Minnesota state parks and trails Fall Color Finder at www.mndnr.gov/fall_colors to find areas in Minnesota with peak fall color. The Fall Color Finder is updated every Thursday through the end of October.

      Discuss below - to view set the hook here.



  • Posts

    • ZachD
      Ya I think my dog would want to go after them he gets really excited around other dogs. That's why I will never hunt him without his e collar because I know I can stop him in his tracks with it. My dog likes to hunt close and I never let him push out way in front of me so at least I have eyes on him at all time and can give him the command to come to me if I see a wolf. I always keep a slip lead with me as well so I can put that on him and not have my hand tide up reaching down holding on his collar. I had a couple run in with wolves last year in the Longville/Remer area but that was just with me on foot with no dog. The one thing that gets me is "Only agents of the government are authorized to take wolves if pets or livestock are threatened, attacked or killed"  I don't think I could just stand there and watch my dog die. Anyway did you hunt a different area? Any birds I have only been out once in the mille lacs area and didn't see any. Going to Nemadji this weekend and should see some.  
    • smalliehunter
      A friend and I will also be up chasing smallmouth this weekend!!!
    • slammer
      Add Sallie to the list.
    • BlackArrow1
      Went up north of Tofte last weekend camping/looking for a few grouse and to see the fall colors. Was in the region of the grade and 600 road. Pulled off on a walk only trail to run my lab and see if I could kick a few. Anyhow, my lab sits and barks like hell with anticipation at me every time I'm getting the gun out and getting ready to hunt her. So for about 5 minutes she's harassing me loud barking with excitement. We start walking down the trail maybe 50 yards and I see all this brown commotion jumping around ahead of us about 75 yards. At first I think we startled some deer. Then one came out full on the trail and stood watching me/dog. They were timber wolves. That one slunk off in the woods and another came out and just sat there looking at us for about a minute or so. When I noticed they were wolves I grabbed the dog by the caller. They seemed interested in my dog. Her barking must have drew them in. They ran off after looking us over a bit. I turned around and left that spot to avoid any issues. I'm thinking that maybe some younger bird dogs would be enticed to chase after wolves that show this kind of interest in them. In my opinion that would be bad and a dog may not come back alive, given their boldness and interest in my dog. It was fun seeing them, but we didn't just walk up and surprise them, they were coming to see the barking dog. Just curious? Maybe. Looking for an easy meal, maybe. I'm just putting this out there to inform bird hunters up there what I saw, so they can be aware if they have dogs. And no they were not coyotes. 
    • ANYFISH2
      Made it out yesterday evening, SAW 4 deer. The same small buck and 3 does.  They sure seemed skittish with the wind. For the fact I am getting very few daytime pics of any deer, I am at lest seeing a few every sit.