Guests - If You want access to member only forums on FM. You will gain access only when you Sign-in or Sign-Up on Fishing Minnesota.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

  • Announcements

    • Rick

      Minnesota Fishing Report Clubs - ONLY 20 FREE MEMBERSHIPS Per Area - Join Today - FREE   03/08/2018

      Fishing Minnesota has added a new menu item (see above) called Fishing Report Clubs. It's a way to keep the really good fishing reports coming and being shared only with those who also provide detailed fishing reports. We will only approve new members who request to join if they have already posted a recent fishing report in the area forum, associated with the Fishing Report Club area  you want to join. Initially we are going to limit the number of regular memberships, in the Fishing Report Clubs, to the top 20 members in each Club, to those with the best frequency and quality fishing reports provided in the club and less so in the regular fishing report forum open to all members. The higher quality fishing report reserved for the club of course. If  you want see detailed fishing reports/tips  around your area and will share your detailed fishing report as soon as you join, then Join Now! Some of the clubs are starting to fill fast. Use the Fishing Reports Club link in the Menu above (after you've posted a fishing report in the regular area forum) and request to Join.

    You know what we all love...

    When you enchant people, you fill them with delight and yourself in return. Have Fun!!!

Sign in to follow this  

water force swim by

Recommended Posts


Well after a very successfull summer of training and testing (NAHRA ALPA AKC) and in anticipation of running the upper levels next summer, I want to start working on swim by's and decheating.

I am trying to follow Evan Graham's smart works book. In his swim by his sets up a normal T. You introduce the back pile. Then introduce the over piles from the other over.

Here is where I get confused. You send the dog back, stop the dog. Send them for a lets say a right over. The dog goes for the right over and at the same time you move to the left over pile. You call the dog directly back to you at the left over.

You keep doing this until on both side until the dog expects to exit the water at the other over pile. With a send to the back cast every other one or more.

Ok now what?

You are supposed to do the same thing but just before the dog gets to you at the other over pile you move back to your orginal spot. The dog is supposed to exit the water at the other over. Then what do you whistle sit the dog go get her and walk her back to the starting place? If you just say here then she is bank running.

Then as move on to the next phase staying in the orignal place you the send the dog on a over the dog is supposed to still swim to the other end of the pond? Or swim to she is directly in front of you then come in?

Anybody have ideas?



Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

The Retriever Central website would be a good one for your question. Most everyone on that site is a trainer. I think Evan Graham is one of the posters on that site.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Superfish: You always want the dog to exit on the "over" ends of the pond.

The last step of the swim by is to send from the base, stop in the middle and give the over. Once the dog has picked up the bumper now give him/her a cast with the bumper in it's mouth back to the other end with an "over" cast.

When your dog can do this without any complications you are done with the swim by.

Here are the steps based on doing each step 2 days.

1) Indentify & line to pile

2)Force to pile

3)Stop to pile

4)Teach right "over" with left exit

5)Teach left "over" with right exit

6)Cast dog back & forth from one exit to the other.


I hope this helps.


Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

I haven't gone through the swim by process... but I do know that Evan's got a swim by dvd out now that might help if you continue to have problems...

Good Luck!


Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you guys,

I should check out that video. Finding the right pond is proving diffucult as well.

Share this post

Link to post
Share on other sites
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  

  • Your Responses - Share & Have Fun :)

    • Fully Kraeusened
      Cpt. Beefcheeks and I just reserved the Shoepack boats from the park service. 
    • JustinN
      Gonna head out to Cedar this evening to try for some cats, will update after I get back. 
    • Fully Kraeusened
      Thanks Bruledrifter. Since I’m coming early June it seems  the consensus is leave the riggers at home. Trip can’t get here soon enough. I only make it up these days every other year. 2016 the weather was miserable. Still enjoyed myself, but was my worst trip up there by far. 
    • mrpike1973
      Thanks for the replies heading up tomorrow.
    • Fishing Frenzy
      There is open water almost up to the 23 bridge as of yesterday.
    • Horseshoe_Don
      On Horseshoe the icw is in great shape.   Snow pack is mostly melted and frozen.   Any 2wd vehicle can move around easily.   Don  
    • Cliff Wagenbach
      Grundy, I have the Navionics  lake app on my phone and it works great! I have also seen the OnX  phone app in action and it is very helpful! I ordered the chip for my hand held G.P.S. from Garmin on line. Not sure what the cost was. Cliff
    • OhioVike
      I am sure that would be interesting...
    • grundy
      If you have a smartphone you can download the OnX  hunting app. Gives all landowner names and land boundries. Also gives all state land, wildlife refuges etc. There is also a Navonics  app for downloading to a smartphone. It gives all the lake contours for fishing. These apps cost a little but you don't need to buy a gps or a chip for the gps. A lot cheaper IMO and you don't have to carry around another gadget.
    • PRO-V
      We've used it on a 19' ProV side by side with our friends Ranger. It holds the Ranger way better since it is a bit heavier, sits lower in the water catching less wind. Same model motors.