Sportsman for Joe Ginse?

[GrousetoBluebill]

Does anyone know about joe Ginse that is running against dean Johnson, and if he supports 3/16ths without all of that zoos, museums, fine arts, opears, trails, tv and radio stations and other crap on it?

[jigginjim]

The guy that should get the ax should be Mike Hatch. On the guys who had they boat and all fishing gear taken by the tribe. Hatch says "It strikes me that you sure think somebody would intervene." Will he's the state attorney, maybe he should get off his dead Butt and do something besides run his mouth.

Read outdoor news, for his comments on page 7.

[GrousetoBluebill]

I agree on red lake problem, are the casino’s financing some of that if so there is no chance?

But for sportsmen the most important race in the state is the one against dean Johnson.

Ron Schara, Dennis Anderson and even retired Vikings Coach Bud Grant have been saying that.

At game fair Bud had a quote for sportsmen, to “un-elect” polticans starting with Dean johnson. And Bud worked on the re lake problem for 10 years.

So I hope to help out by send a little $$$ to ginse. Heres the ron schrara article.

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Outdoors advocates zero in early on target

Ron Schara: Game Fair becomes an early battleground, where backers of nature issues already have taken aim at a political enemy.

Ron Schara, Star Tribune

Last update: August 15, 2006 – 10:55 PM

Pursuit of the best bite might call for legwork It's August and Minnesota's dog days of fishing are upon us.

I'm not sure what that all entails, but supposedly it means walleyes stop biting, big northerns go deep, muskies become more suspicious and largemouth bass or smallies will bite if you can find 'em.

Plus there's this: Dog days don't happen all over. One of my best walleye days on Lake of the Woods happened in August ... but that's another story.

Whatever is or isn't dog days, I know this much: August always seems to mark a lull in the outdoors.

At Game Fair in Ramsey, which opened last weekend, walkways are full of folks who have had their fishing itch scratched and were beginning to feel the draw of autumn duck blinds, deer stands and ringneck fields.

This year -- this being an election year -- another kind of game is being played: politics. At the entrance to Game Fair, there's more advertising for politicos than for ammos.

Normally, folks who carry shotguns and walk behind bird dogs or backtroll on windy days on Mille Lacs tend not to be politically savvy. Don't ask me why. It's just something I've noticed. People who really play the political game would rather be at the Capitol in St. Paul than on the Nine-Mile Flat in Mille Lacs.

This August, the outdoor politics has gotten hotter at Game Fair.

Disgruntled outdoor leaders have sprinkled DUMP signs around GameFair, the likes of which haven't been seen in more than 25 years. Back then, the DUMP advice was aimed at candidate Warren Spannaus, whose views about firearms were opposed by just about every hunter in Minnesota.

This year's DUMP signs bear the name of Sen. Dean Johnson, a DFLer from Willmar.

In the last Legislative session, Johnson, the Senate majority leader, used the power of his office to defeat a proposed constitutional amendment to tap sales taxes to fund outdoor and environmental programs.

While the Senator's actions enraged outdoor activists, his role in the Legislature's last-minute politics also gave amendment supporters a clearer view of whodunit.

Session after session, state outdoor organizations pushed for the amendment, only to see it fail. They wondered: Was it Gov. Tim Pawlenty's fault? Was it House leader Steve Swiggum's fault?

Now the outdoor community knows who sank their efforts to clean the state's water, restore wetlands, preserve habitat and the like.

Twenty-five years later, the DUMP signs have a new name.

[BLACKJACK]

I can see you're up on the issues, you don't even know how to spell Gimse.

Dean Johnson isn't as bad for the outdoors as people make him out to be. In the past he has voted for CREP and other set aside funding. His explanation for pulling the plug on the 3/16th bill last session was that there were some parts of that he didn't like (funding for the arts got tacked on), lets do it right and not rush into it.

It will be interesting to see what happens next session. It would also help if Pawlenty and the House would push some conservation legislation right from the start instead of letting everything go down to the 23rd hour.

I also try not to be a 'one issue' voter, I look at the candidate and their views on all issues because once we elect them, they will be dealing with all the issues - transportation, education, health care, etc., not just one hot button issue.

[GrousetoBluebill]

Sorry about misspelling gimse eekk!

Anyway your saying that johnson’s excuse was he was standing-up for sportsmen and was against putting the zoos, arts and tv stations and crap on the 3/16ths bill? Where is that at?

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His explanation for pulling the plug on the 3/16th bill last session was that there were some parts of that he didn't like (funding for the arts got tacked on)

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I think that 1-issue stuff is a cop out, this last year the 1-major success they tout was a Twins Stadium. They spend more money on everything year in or year out except sportsmen.

[83walleye]

I'm not buying any of it - he's become entrenched in the state legislature. It makes me nervous when guys stay in their jobs too long - I firmly believe in term limits, and in the case of Dean Johnson, firmly believe in voting to the issues, noit the candidate.

Besides, he's a preacher. I thought it was against the law to mix religion and politics...VOTE GIMSE!!

[jigginjim]

83walleye, Don't forget he is the only general chaplain in the national guard. if not the whole army. I watch the 3/16 debate thing, I did see deano standing up and saying no to the extra add ons. He knows he can hood wink the locals, they don't take the time to watch their senators workings. He's a preacher thats good at tell people to fellow him,( right into the black hole). I support our guys doing their duty for the country, I serviced in the guard for 28 years, Retired 4 years ago. Dean is still active, I don't see him travel to support the troops(his own) over seas. It doesn't cost him to travel on military aircraft. I can fly around the US for free. I just have to go where ever the plane goes. If it gets called to some other mission, I'm in.

[Sartell Angler]

I am usually not very politically active, but when it comes to conservation issues and agendas that are going to promote the future welfare of hunting and fishing, I begin to get political.

I went to the first Duck Rally. I read all of Dennis' articles. I talk to other hunters who are extrememly active in the push for Dedicated Funding. Everything I've been hearing is that Dean Johnson is a BARRIER to the bill being passed.

This summer for the 4th of July I sat in the wonderful little town of Spicer and watched Sen. Johnson get booed by the crowd lining the streets. My hope is that they carry this attitude with them to the polls and elect Joe Gimse, an individual I spoke with and who came across as a nice guy. My thought is this--even if he doesn't personally spearhead the bill, at least he won't single-handedly stall the bill as a first-year Senator. Hopefully they can get this Dedicated Funding figured out and also drop the art crap (get your own bill!) before it goes to the voters next fall!

my $.02

SA/wdw

[Dr. Walleye]

Dean Johnson is clearly no friend of the sportsmen, neither is the Democratic party in general. But neither the Republicans or Democrats impress me much. Dedicated funding could have been a done deal anytime the legislature wanted it to. How many times are we going to get empty promises and lame excuses? We wouldn't need dedicated funding if the legislature and govorner would do the job they are elected to do. Boo hiss to them all.

[primetime49]

Ever since we had a Bill that defended our right to hunt and fish in Minnesota our legislators and represenatives have been patting themselves on their own backs and layed like retired dogs that still get to ride in the truck for opening of hunting.As far as Crep it was a national event brought out to Minnesotans attention by a good sportsman David Minge ,who was voted out by metro politics and boundaries brought into a vote.those two bills I believe were brought to our attention by democrats.Can you imagine that at the time Dean was a Republican.Now that hes head of Democrats cant you just figure he wasnt in on the rally before .The 3/16 is a plan that our politicians have bumped since it started in Missouri and they just cant get past the fact that they dont simply want to adapt some other states idea ,they want a whole new way and some will drag the anchor until '''freezez over.As far as attaching arts etc. ,this is a copout and until a bill can be written that carrys its own weight it may never pass.I am not going to paint a pretty picture or throw some clay on the potters wheel when the subject was actually the outdoors.I am not sure but did they not throw out the $25.00 per property for cleaner waters to.Best way to rid problem is clean up ,senate congress,legislator etc.If they dont hunt and or fish dont expect them to vote for it.As far as who would I vote for,I never skip a vote but do we have a candidate that just missed on this because he was in the mood to throw out attachments or another that has never been a mayor ,a commisioner,a leader.What to do?

[GrousetoBluebill]

We have to get 3/16ths not just for us but for the next sportsmen for the kids and grandchildren.

Johnson’s eventually will be replaced anyway, but whats minnesota going to be like in 5-10-25 years?

THe Old buffalo hunters waited around too, time is running out and booting his arse out now will send a message to the do-nothing republicans, and democrats to stop this blatant bs crap, or your next. Its time to go the nra route we ain’t taking it no more. No more excuses or arts crap.

[Bryce]

Not sure of his political stances but do have a story to share. Believe it was during the last election. About a week before the election, I traveled out west for an afternoon hunt. The lake was pretty well iced over from a cold morning but temps were rising and I knew it would open up more. As I parked the truck and was walking to the boat, a truck pulled into the access with a gentleman and 3 kids. I talked to them for a few minutes and told them I was heading for the prime point and they were welcome to join me as I was alone. As I was setting up, I saw them struggling to break ice at couple spots and then motor over to me. We devised a plan to set out a bigger spread and proceeded to smack the bejesus out the mallards on their way back from the fields. Probably an hour and half for a five man limit without a hen and one of the kids got his first band. Turned out to be Joe. I was impressed that he would have the kids out hunting in the last few available days of campaigning. He got my vote that year. I no longer vote in that district but would still vote for him even though Dean's signature is on my marriage license.

[Sartell Angler]

Bryce- great story! he would have my vote based on that alone if I was from that area.

SA/wdw

[Butternut Point]

Geez Bud Grant? He has got to be a great political mind because he was a football coach once. I'm much more of an educated voter because I now know Bud Grant isn't voting for Johnson.

I heard Denny Green thinks an independent is the best choice for the next presedential race, he must know, HE'S ALSO WON PLAYOFF GAMES!!! I wonder who Tice likes?

Maybe some people won't remove celebrities' input from political decision making.

As a sportsman I believe in funding for wildlife recreation and preservation. As a concerned citizen of the state I also believe in matters that streach beyond the scope of our natural resources and believe that many social issues are just as important.

Single issue voters are cancerous to the state of Minnesota.

Open-Minded Citizens For The Best Candidate?

[BLACKJACK]

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As a sportsman I believe in funding for wildlife recreation and preservation. As a concerned citizen of the state I also believe in matters that streach beyond the scope of our natural resources and believe that many social issues are just as important.

Single issue voters are cancerous to the state of Minnesota.

Open-Minded Citizens For The Best Candidate?

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Good point Butternut! I'm very concerned about the outdoors but I'm not going to vote strictly on one issue, roads, education, health care, etc are all very important to our quality of life.

[chucker34]

This has been some very good dialogue. While I am no fan of Johnson, I can't say he has done any worse job of championing the outdoors and related bills that the other side of the fence. Where was the outcry from the Republicans when the bill was about to fail? I personally didn't see a terrible amount of concern from legislators of either party when it was all over. Neither side cared too much about the issue, just had a great time blaming one another that they couldn't find some middle ground and get the job done once again.

What the heck has happened to our country? There is no middle ground any more. You're either entirely on side with all of my beliefs or you're against me. It means no compromise by legislators or they'll get the boot from their party and it ultimately sets them up to fail as our public representatives.

And as for all these outdoors writers lambasting Johnson, give me a break. They need a scapegoat and they found one. They might as well blame the whole state legislature. Everyone's at fault somehow since they like to play the blame game so much. And I'll place much more credibility in the opinion of a political or general assignment reporter who knows all of the whos, whats, and whys a bill failed versus the outdoor columnist who is focusing one one issue and looking for a target. Perhaps the most amusing thing I ever read in the Star Tribune was a certain outdoor columnist and televsion personality saying he was probably the most qualified person to be the new DNR Commissioner (when they were looking for one a few years back) but didn't want the job. I had a good laugh that day about what experts some of these people think they are because they're members of the media.

[GrousetoBluebill]

Mike Hatch doesn’t even lend support to deans johnson’s plan to include the arts crap.

Hatch also said he supports 3/16ths coming out of “existing taxes”. The extremist on the issue is dean johnson who wanted to raise the taxes for the arts crap.

[Butternut Point]

A politician wants to raise taxes? That's extremist?

I wonder if that was a reaction to the fact that "arts crap" contributes millions of dollars to our state's economy, or maybe its that commonly held belief that children who are exposed to "arts crap" tend to do better in school, avoid drugs better, get better jobs, then contribute to the economy better. Maybe he proposed that it is a wise investment in the future of the state.

Naw he must be doing it to line his pockets, or cater to the wishes of "arts crap" supporters, or because he hates our natural resources and wants to turn rural Minnesota into a big art gallery and theater. Whatever it is I'm sure its pure evil. Yeah that's the ticket.

[sparcebag]

After Dean Johnson supposedly lied Gimse may be my man.Hatch is also,Those guys who,s boat was confiscated were in violation of Indian rights,It,s about time tht Indians Quit taking poop from us whites,I love it to see them gettin rich takin whitemans money in casinos.