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Magnum

Howdy BigV friends!

I'll be coming up for 3 days to fish the PMTT next week. Heard there has been a decent algae bloom this season. Can anyone provide an update on the water conditions for the East End (where the tourney will be held)?

Have the cooler nights started to kill the bloom? Is it clearing up? How green did it get? What are the water temps today?

Any of that type of info would be appreciated. Thanks.

Magnum

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LunkerBaitCo

I was up over the past weekend...still very green, visibility only about one foot...pea soup in some areas. Surface temps 68 in morning up to 72 in afternoon.

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Parker

Sure, I could tell you all that information...or, you could pre-fish the lake sometime in late August instead of in July.

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Cliff Wagenbach

The average water temps are around 69 to 70 degrees.

I have not found the alge bloom to be that heavy.

Water is around 2 feet low.

Cliff

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slick814

Cliff - has it dropped at all since the beginning of August?

Last time i was up, the East Two River barely had enough to get through at the mouth.. might need to take the boat out of the boathouse and put in at McKinley or something.

Hopefully I'll be coming up around the end of the month... maybe a but of bow hunting and some big mama walleye chasing...

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Magnum

I did all my "September" pre-fishing a few years ago. My 3 day trip to Vermilion in July of 2006 was just for personal enjoyment... and not prefishing purposes.

Sept. 13, 2003 some areas were Pea Soup with some spotty clean/clear areas. Temp was 66F.

Sept. 15, 2004 some areas were gin clear and others had a slight funk to them. Temp was 61F.

Sept. 5, 2005 the entire east end was clean/clear. Temp was 65F.

From this post it seems that this September the water will be greener than years past and warmer than years past. It will be fun to figure out a last minute adjustment... since I'll only get a 1/2 day to "pre-fish". cool.gif

Thanks for your help guys. I'll be up to see ya next Friday.

Magnum

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jkrash

Pea soup Magnum

At least that's what Frazer looks like, Big Bay is probably a little clearer, I saw 75 degrees on the surface earlier this week and as you would expect the fish were soaking up the rays, yesterday evening the water temp was 71, today it's supose to be 85 so the water temp might go up a degree or 2 but the forcast looks cooler so plan on a mid to low 60 degree weekend with big fish chewing. grin.gif

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Parker

JLong,

Based on your own observations you know the lake differs from year to year, so your claim that pre-fishing previous Septembers is sufficient is disingenuous. Bottom line, instead of asking questions on here before any money tournament I wish contestants would get on the lake. By the way, I have never fished a tournament and have no plans to do so.

And yes, I know you won "the big one" a few years ago. That doesn't make you a local celebrity entitled to info that no other contestants are asking for. Do the people that help you get a cut? I doubt Cliff would object.

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ewirz

I'm not sure disingenuous applies to this particular situation. I would think something along the lines of unintelligent or dense. Personally, I would have used brainless or dim-witted.

Spent last weekend in Big Bay. Water temps were 70-72. Water was pretty green. I was thinking it was cause more by pine pollen than algae...Regardless, pretty soupy.

Only saw one muskie between two boats over 3 days. Lots of pressure.

ERW

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Magnum

Geez, Parker... what gives?

Of course I realize that september is a volatile month and each year is different. That's why I asked the simple question of what the water conditions were like. An innocent temperature check, that's all. Geez... its not like I asked if the fish were on top, the east side or west side of Arrowhead Reef. Or whether Bulldawgs were producing better than topwater. My goodness.

I'd love to come up and fish BigV all next week like most of the PMTT participants... but I don't have the time and $$$$.

Sorry for being excited to come back to your lovely playground... and asking an innocent question to help ease the anticipation of the trip. I'm really excited to get back up there... and have been daydreaming about what is gonna unfold next weekend. I apologize for being excited to come and fish one of the greatest musky lakes on the planet. I'm sorry if I offended anyone by asking for such sensitive information as water temps and clarity.

So.... how 'bout those Vikings? blush.gif

Magnum

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delcecchi

isn't it sort of the wrong time of year for pine pollen? Looked like algae to me. But that was wrong end of lake.

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Parker

Long,

My beef is with people that ask for information on here before money events. You are the only one that seems to do that on a regular basis. My feeling is that if you are going to fish in such events you should do your own research and not ask questions of people who do have the time and the money to obtain the info you seek. If you are gong to fish for money you should be willing to pay for info. If you are fishing for fun, like 99.99% of the people that frequent this board, the info is and should be free flowing.

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Magnum

Parker, are you kidding me????

Sure.... I can wait till next Friday to find out what the water temps and clarity are like... and I will. If you really think that the info provided on this board will help people win a tournament.... you are pretty naive in my opinion.

Like I said... I'm just anxious and excited to get back up to Vermilion and used this board to help give me a quick fix of the wonderful place. I'll certainly find my OWN fish (or try to), regardless of what conditions I encounter.

As for tournaments and fishing for money... well... I don't fish many tournaments.... because I too prefer to fish for FUN.... and I don't enjoy the added "pressure" that you gotta deal with in tournaments. There are enough people fishing Vermilion anyway... and the "community spots" are already overwhelmed with casual anglers.... so I'd much prefer to fish vermilion in a NON-tournament environment. Sure... the Simply Fishing event is what brought me to vermilion in the first place... but it was more of an "excuse" to invest the time to learn it... moreso than the $$$$. And because of that ONE tournament.... I now VACATION on Vermilion. AND... I can now use that "excuse" to convince my wife I should go back to Vermilion again next week. Its all a ploy to help increase my time on the greatest musky lake on the Planet... even if that means I gotta fish competitively. Please don't hold that against me.

And Parker... I contribute on this board even when a tournament is not coming to your home waters. This ain't just a place for your local "good old boy" club to hang out, ya know. Some of us "tourists" share the same interests as you.

Personally, I'd be more concerned about the SNAGGING issue going on than about a few tournament anglers racing around your lake for a day and a half.

See ya Friday.

Magnum

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Cliff Wagenbach

Quote:

Long,

My beef is with people that ask for information on here before money events. You are the only one that seems to do that on a regular basis. My feeling is that if you are going to fish in such events you should do your own research and not ask questions of people who do have the time and the money to obtain the info you seek. If you are gong to fish for money you should be willing to pay for info. If you are fishing for fun, like 99.99% of the people that frequent this board, the info is and should be free flowing.


All of the information given out in this FM Forum is always free and freely given! smile.gif

Any and all info. is welcome and appreciated by all of us.

Cliff

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Parker

Jlong,

Nope, not kidding at all.

Your last post made me chuckle. I had a whole reply typed up, but deleted it to spare everyone else the drama. Let’s just say I disagree with many of your points and intentions.

The only thing I will say is that I am a “tourist” too, not a “good old boy” although I wish I were! I agree with Cliff that many “tourists” as well as many “good old boys” share great information on this site. Long, if you look through that info you will often find the info you seek.

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Magnum

At the expense of getting flamed again by Parker.... how much did the water temps drop with the past few nights of frost. blush.gif

Magnum

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jkrash

Water temp yesterday evening was 66 degrees, most of the bloom is gone and visibility is improving.

Oh Ya

GO VIKES! wink.gif

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jkrash

Water temp is pushing 70

Lake is getting green again

Lucky caught a 41 & fat 51+

Vikings WON

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TomWehler

Sure has been a fun season.

Up an down.

Bloom is tough on the nazel passages fer sure.

Don't like tournys much but good luck to all involved.

Be safe, have fun.

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Parker

Long,

Why ask 2 weeks ago if you are going to ask the same question this week? What is the benefit? If you feel this is valuable information, even though it admittedly will not help you catch fish, why not just ask the day before you leave from home?

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Magnum

Parker... why do you have a problem with me asking for simple water temps?

Geez... lighten up.

Like I said earlier... I asked 2 weeks ago to help ease my anticipation of coming up to the lake. I found myself daydreaming about the wonderful lake Vermilion muskies... so went online and asked some questions to satisfy my need for a quick musky fix.

Sorry for being excited about my upcoming fishing trip.

And.... it surprises me to learn that Vermilion is 7 degrees warmer than most of the lakes in Northern Wisconsin that I've been fishing. That... I guess... is valuable information.

Sure wish I had the time and money to come up for an entire week... but will have to live with 2.5 days of fun and excitement. Thanks, Parker, for all your help.

Magnum

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muskieswen

Magnum,

Sorry your getting bashed a little. Just wanted to say good luck on the tournament. I fished the trail last year and found it to be fun. Learned a heck of a lot of things. Not as much as Muskie Tom taught me , but he is like the all time Muskie God.(Tom does that remark get me a discount?)Figured this year to take a break from it. Alright...the truth is my wife said to take a break from it.. but I still wear the pants in the family grin.gif. Any way last week in my area of the lake the water was crystal clear after a heck of a bloom. Temps were 66 in the morning up to 70 in the afternoon. I am in the frazer bay area. Would love to give you some useful info but my old partner from last year who is in this thing would cut my nads off I think. Stay safe and enjoy the scenery.

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TomWehler

Thanks SwenGlen Dude for the kind words, but I'm just a gy who likes to fish an help others enjoy their time on this beautiful lake we all love.

Handsome sure, but nothing special muskie wise.

If ya don't ask ya don't get Mom always said.

So nice try. grin.gif

Did enjoy fishen with you an the wife an the tour of your digs.

But I do have to buy gas an oil too?

Try getting a discount from your mechanic or dentist?

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Give me a call this winter to set something up for some more fun. smile.gif

Be home for good come Halloween.

Like it says in the mens room:

Don't eat the big pink mint!

I aim to please.

You aim to please.

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I aim to please in many ways.

Magnum Jason is a good guy.

Have no doubt he is a very good position to do some damage this weekend.

Asking questions is qhat this is all about.

Fire awy Magnum.

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Have never met Jason in person but have type talked to him a bunch the last couple winter seasons an enjoy products he has help bring to the muskie market an something special he an his wife have done this year is about to pay off for me big time.

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Good stuff.

Good writer too.

Enjoys the lake with family an frineds, an don't kill the fish he photos up, plus don't fish by my docks.

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I say ask away Mag an best of luck to you an your partner.

I will be around on the lake again in the noonish hour tommorow, guiding.

Then buzzing you all this weekend an fishen where you can't.

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Things are looking real good for some serious fish to be caught.

So good luck to everyone.

Be safe, have fun, rip some lips.

GO Twins.

T.

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Magnum

Thanks Tom for the kind words.

I'm headin' up to your neck of the woods in a few hours.... so stop and say hello if you see me.

Word on the street is that the guys pre-fishing this week caught a ton of BIG fish. Hope there are a few left to catch...

Magnum

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muskieswen

Hey Tommy, only kidding about the discount. Heck I know you got to make a buck. I think you should charge more. Steak, burgers and bratts are going up in price. Like you I will be buzzing the lake also this weekend. The info you taught me gots (gots really aint a word but it fits here)me some new spots that no one else is on and yes they hold fish. See you on the water Tommy. ZZ Top and Rush in my CD Player. cool.gif

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      The deadline for firearms wild turkey hunters to apply for early season spring hunting permits is Friday, Jan. 26, according to the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources. The spring season, which runs from Wednesday, April 18, to Thursday, May 31, is divided into six time periods. Only people age 18 and older who want to hunt using a firearm during the first two time periods (A or B) need to apply for a spring turkey permit. Permits for the remaining time periods (C-F) can be purchased over-the-counter. Archery and youth turkey hunters can hunt the entire season without applying for the lottery. Permits for the last four time periods and youth licenses are sold starting March 1. Surplus adult licenses from the first two time periods, if available, are sold starting around mid-March. People applying for permit area 511, the Carlos Avery State Wildlife Management Area, are advised that the sanctuary portion of the WMA will be closed to turkey hunting except for the special hunt for hunters with disabilities. For turkey hunting, a person may only use shotguns 20 gauge or larger, including muzzleloading shotguns. Only fine shot size No. 4 and smaller diameter may be used, and red dot scopes and range finders are legal. Visit mndnr.gov/hunting/turkey for more information about turkey hunting. Discuss below - to view set the hook here.
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      The commissioner of the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources has appointed 11 Minnesotans to three-year terms on citizen oversight committees that monitor the agency’s fish and wildlife spending.  The appointees are responsible for reviewing the DNR’s annual Game and Fish Fund report in detail and, following discussions with agency leaders and others, prepare reports on their findings. Appointed to the Wildlife Oversight Committee are Garry Hooghkirk, Duluth; Amanda Leabo, Fergus Falls; Mark Popovich, Welch; John Schnedler, Richfield; and Martha Taggett, Golden Valley. Appointed to the Fisheries Oversight Committee are Karl Anderson, Greenbush; Jess Edberg, Ely; Nicole Hertel, Shoreview; Benjamin Kohn, Hudson; Mark Owens, Austin; and Craig Pagel, Duluth. The new appointees join other members whose terms are continuing. The committees will resume work after the mid-December publication of the DNR’s Game and Fish Fund report for fiscal year 2017. “We look forward to working with these citizens,” said Dave Schad, DNR deputy commissioner. “The appointments continue our commitment to share detailed budget information, bring new participants into the oversight process and ensure revenue generated by hunting and fishing license sales is used appropriately.” The Fisheries and Wildlife oversight committees continue a citizen oversight function first created in 1994. Sixty people applied for oversight committee positions this time. Factors in choosing the new appointees included geographic distribution, demographic diversity and a mix of interests. In the weeks ahead, committee chairs and four members will be selected by each committee to serve on an umbrella Budgetary Oversight Committee chaired by another appointee, John Lenczewski. The committee will develop an overall report on expenditures for game and fish activities. Those recommendations will be delivered to the DNR commissioner and legislative committees with jurisdiction over natural resources financing for further consideration. Minnesota’s Game and Fish Fund is the fiscal foundation for much of the state’s core natural resource management functions. About $110 million a year is deposited into this fund from hunting and fishing license sales, a sales tax on lottery tickets, and other sources of revenue including a reimbursement based on a federal excise tax on certain hunting, fishing and boating equipment. Past DNR Game and Fish Fund expenditure reports and citizen oversight committee reports are also available at mndnr.gov/gamefishoversight. Discuss below - to view set the hook here.
    • Rick
      Conservation grants awarded by the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources will help restore, enhance and protect habitat throughout the state.  This latest round of 73 conservation grants is funded by the agency’s Conservation Partners Legacy (CPL) grant program. Now in its ninth year, the program has awarded over $50 million to nonprofit organizations and government entities for conservation projects. The DNR recently received $9.9 million in grant requests from 86 applicants during round one of the application cycle. The DNR has funded $7.5 million of these requests. “Projects include habitat improvements that benefit deer, turkey, pheasants and a wide variety of species,” said Jessica Lee, DNR conservation grants coordinator. “Oak savanna, wetlands and pollinator habitat are restored through this grant program, to give a few examples.” Conservation groups and others interested in applying in the future are encouraged to plan in the coming months so they can apply when funds are again available. The DNR’s CPL program provides grants ranging from $5,000 to $400,000 to conservation nonprofit organizations and government to help fund projects to restore, enhance or protect fish and wildlife habitat in Minnesota. The Lessard-Sams Outdoor Heritage Council recommended the grant program, which was approved by the Minnesota Legislature and has been in place since 2009. Funding has been provided annually from the Outdoor Heritage Fund, which is part of the Clean Water, Land and Legacy Amendment and funded by a voter-approved statewide sales tax of three-eighths of 1 percent. Round one of the proposals for fiscal year 2017 included the traditional grant cycle, the metro grant cycle and the expedited grant cycle. The expedited cycle for standard types of projects is currently open for another funding round, with the maximum grant award being $50,000. Applications are due online by 4 p.m. Friday, Jan. 19. More information on the program’s grant cycles, and a complete list of the most recent grant applications and past awarded projects are on the DNR website at mndnr.gov/cpl. Discuss below - to view set the hook here.
    • Rick
      The Sherburne County Geologic Atlas-Part B was recently published by the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources. Part B covers groundwater conditions and sensitivity to pollution. It expands on Part A, the geology atlas previously published by the Minnesota Geological Survey. The atlases are a valuable resource for groundwater management and land-use planning. Sherburne County is characterized by sandy surface and subsurface conditions. This type of geology creates extensive and productive aquifers that are relatively sensitive to pollution. In addition to maps of pollution sensitivity, groundwater chemistry data are shown, highlighting areas with elevated concentrations of chloride and nitrate. The deeper bedrock aquifers of the eastern part of the county are less sensitive to pollution. The atlas can be acquired through the following sources: Online: PDFs of the report and maps, GIS files and program information are available by searching “Sherburne County Geologic Atlas, Part B.” The GIS folder includes GIS files and associated metadata for the water table, wells, and maps for groundwater flow and pollution sensitivity. The ArcMap file displays the data as shown on the published maps and includes hyperlinks to image files of the published cross sections. Paper copies: Part A and B atlases can be purchased from Minnesota Geological Survey Map Sales, 612-626-2969. Prices for each atlas package range from $12–$15. County geologic atlases provide geologic and hydrogeologic information to support regional planning and water resource management and protection. Partial funding for this project was provided by the Clean Water Fund and the Minnesota Environment and Natural Resources Trust Fund. Discuss below - to view set the hook here.
    • IceHawk
      Good Advice Don . You are correct there was a wheeler on Horseshoe back by Krons bay.  Saw him Sunday when I was out on the ice. How he didn't go through is hard to believe.  The chain  is very spotty at best. Finding areas of open water to 4 1/2 5  inches tops. A lot of guys r pushing the envelope out there on Sunday there was at least 10 guys out on mud and the ice is 3-3 1/2 inches thick in that area, also saw a group out near Camerons Island, A lot of these areas were completely open on Thursday so be very very cautious. Tom is right you could see the different shades of freeze up before this snow now its a guessing game. Remember u put others at risk that have to try and rescue you if you break through so use common sense. On a side note there is a pocket of open water on the N end of Big, swans are keeping it open and it just froze over yesterday in front of the golf course on Schneider.  Shaumans bay has 5-6 inches on Rice main lake 2-3 inches.  Koronis is still open was fishing in the boat two weeks ago out there so it may be a while for that beast!