Guests - If You want access to member only forums on FM. You will gain access only when you Sign-in or Sign-Up on Fishing Minnesota.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
tweedlap

Predictions of the August Roadside count.......

16 posts in this topic

I, optimistically, predict a 90 to 100% increase in the statewide average.

Please, God, let me be correct.

tweed

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just depends on whether its sunny/rainy/foggy weather that one single day they can count. Single least reliable number we hear every year, complete joke!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

amen

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The DNR should save the $$ on the roadside counts. Send a survey to area farmers and the rural mail carriers. They'll tell you what is on the roads and how the numbers look.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The roadside counts are a pretty lame way to predict fall hunting but it does give some indications of what to expect. I'm still trying to figure out how the DNR figures out how we shot 500,000 roosters last fall. Is there a hunter survey I don't know about? It's not a survey question when you buy a license. Any ideas?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Quote:

I'm still trying to figure out how the DNR figures out how we shot 500,000 roosters last fall.


2nd least accurate/useful number we hear all year...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah, I had a buddy that was hired to do roadside counts for the DNR. He lied about what he saw. If he saw 20 birds, he reported 10. His little way of preventing the masses from invading SW MN after the report is published I guess.

You'd think that with all of the miles a game warden puts on, they'd be able to report what they're seeing instead of hiring a college kid.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

On a one year basis the numbers may be off but over time road side count numbers can be compared to other years and give us SOME idea as to what management stratagies are working or not working in different sections of the state. Lake surveys aren't always accurate, but comparing against other surveys gives you a fair estimate on how certian populations are doing, same thing. If you look at the roadside count numbers for a certian area, then look at harvest numbers in that same area, they usually mirror each other to some degree. Also they like to have lots of statistics when they go asking for the $$$.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've driven pretty much the same 50 mile (25 each way) drive everyday for the past 15 years. Mostly back tar roads and gravel. Probably the most birds I've seen in those years. Lot's of different sized broods too, some of the older ones you can see the color coming along nicely and then there are little ones the size of a dove! Should be a great fall of pheasant hunting for those who hunt them! smile.gif

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

setterguy, I agree. They sure match up well with the harvest numbers. although there is some ambiguity in the way they collect the data, that is why they run the same route 5 times. over time, the numbers are pretty accurate. they are quick to point out, the numbers are not to be brought down to the local level. they are regional type numbers. all in all, they do a pretty darn good job. surveying farmers would be a joke, I cant tell you how many times the farmer says "I havent seen many birds this year on my place" and I go out and they are everywhere.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Quote:

I cant tell you how many times the farmer says "I havent seen many birds this year on my place" and I go out and they are everywhere.


I started laughing when I read that. That happened to me 2 or 3 times last season.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, the results are in on the DNR website. Numbers are "similar" to last year, and even up slightly. I always find it interesting to look at the zones they define and look at how many birds there are per mile in different areas. Also, the dove count this year is supposedly up 50% over 2005. From what I've seen this year, I'd believe that one.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would agree with having a few farmers or rural mail carriers do the counts.You also could have the people that do the spraying of crops do a count.I use to help a friend in a fertilizer plant apply fertilizer,chemical and such to the farmers fields and we pretty much could tell you where the birds were and how many from year to year.The CO's could also do a very good road count.

Many better ways to figure the bird populations.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So what is up with the area along the MN River in the SW part of Renville County? Did someone drop a pheasant bomb in that 20+ mile radius? I know Renville has draintiled almost everything, but that area on the map is down every year?

Check it out:

http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/outdoor_activities/hunting/pheasant/prospectsmap06.pdf

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This area in Renville county has many pheasants where habitat is in CREP or CRP, but the amount of habitat acres is much less than surrounding counties.

Thus when you are driving your pheasant count route - you simply do not see many birds compared to regions of MN with better and more dispersed habitat.

Note the disclaimer on the chart. Regions reported poor will have pockets of good pheasant densities.

Unless you have private land to hunt in this area, the amount of public land is low and there are better places to target.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A few more points.

The SW region's gain actually carries the state's population increase. Many other areas of MN saw no change or a decrease. The areas of "good" density appear to decrease on across the pheasant range.

Compare this data to SD. They report birds per mile. If you times their number by 100 ==> the SD bird densities range from 300 to 1000 birds per 100 miles.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Posts

    • Satchmo
      Looks like a Namakan fish.
    • CaptJohnWis
      Hit the lake before 6:00 this morning. Fishing very slow again. Lots of mayflies on the water. Water 64 degrees. Got a bass at first stop but no more of those. ABout 5 walleyes and four pike in nine hours. Quit just in time to fight the 22 MPH wind (twice what was predicted) all the way home. Fish in 25 FOW. Most on Fin-S-Fish. numerous missed bites. Yesterday hardly missed a one. Not so today.   June 27, 2017 video link    
    • TNtoMN_HuntFish
      Froggin is a blast! I couldn't get any topwater action Saturday but just under the surface with a spinnerbait they were crushing it. Early morning it was suspending jerkbaits on weedlines. Not a single swirl on top. 
    • Cliff Wagenbach
      The walleye bite the past couple days has gone from Boom to  almost Bust! There have been a couple of huge May fly hatches the last couple of nights along with a large Rusty Crayfish molt that have been making catching walleyes a real challenge! We are still getting some fish but now have to earn every fish! Lindys with 1/2 crawler fished VERY slow in 18" to 30" depths has been my best presentation. Cliff
    • Juan Grande
      Thanks guys!  We tried kayak fishing last year (around Labor Day I think) and the Rum was way too high.  We launched on CR 7 between Blue and Green lake and just ended up paddling the river.  Is that a good stretch for smallies?
    • ANYFISH2
      wow, that is one dark walleye!
    • ANYFISH2
      And no reports make forums no good. Participation is what makes this place great.   Do not discourage that!
    • IRISHSOBNO4
    • Chill62
      Decided to fish Big Detroit saturday with a buddy.  Had bites but my 24 v 75#  trolling motor couldn't keep me in place so that sucked.  When we left the access to go fishing I asked the young man how late they were open till so I could make it back in time to get washed since I was going to fish a different lake on Sunday morning with the nephews.  I will be here till 5:30!  Sounds good see you before 5!  Fishing sucked, Wind BLEW, RAIN SUCKED!  So we packed up at 4:30 drove to access get there around 4:40 and they are gone!  Hot on my heels is a local fishing guide and he wasn't happy also because he had the same game plan.  Was told that there would be one at Melissa till 5 pm religiously.  Got there by 4:55 and they were gone from that lake too.  I honestly don't feel comfortable enough to do a safe job washing since I don't have a pressure washer and I really don't want to spread the Zebra Mussels from lake to lake and I know it was only a few hours 5-6 but honestly whats the point of AIS being there if they don't stay till the house they are supposed to be?  There was an easy half dozen boat trailers still at the access so it wasn't like we were the only two left at the access.  
    • huskybass
      Had some fun Saturday morning crashing through the lily pads on a small metro lake.  2 fish over 5 lbs and every fish absolutely choked the bait.  All I want to do is throw top water now, haha.  Wish I had longer arms or a partner in the boat for a decent photo.