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Pro Football Talk latest mock draft

2005 MOCK DRAFT

VERSION 4.0

1. 49ers: Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan.

2. Dolphins: Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn.

3. Browns: Alex Smith, QB, Utah.

4. Titans (trade with Bears): Mike Williams, WR, USC.

5. Bucs: Cadillac Williams, RB, Auburn.

6. Bears (trade with Titans): Derrick Johnson, LB, Texas.

7. Vikings: Cedric Benson, RB, Texas.

8. Cardinals: Aaron Rodgers, QB, Cal.

9. Redskins: Adam Jones, CB, West Virginia.

10. Lions: Alex Barron, OT, Florida State.

11. Cowboys: Shawne Merriman, DE, Maryland.

12. Chargers: Troy Williamson, WR, South Carolina.

13. Texans: Marcus Spears, DE, LSU.

14. Panthers: Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma.

15. Chiefs: Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin.

16. Saints: Travis Johnson, DT, Florida State.

17. Bengals: Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami.

18. Vikings: Odell Thurman, LB, Georgia.

19. Rams: Shaun Cody, DT/DE, USC.

20. Cowboys: Carlos Rogers, CB Auburn.

21. Jaguars: Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma.

22. Ravens: Dan Cody, DE/LB, Oklahoma.

23. Seahawks: DeMarcus Ware, DE/LB, Troy.

24. Packers: David Pollack, LB, Georgia.

25. Broncos: Heath Miller, TE, Virginia.

26. Jets: Justin Miller, CB, Clemson.

27. Falcons: Brodney Pool, S, Oklahoma.

28. Chargers: Kalif Barnes, OT, Washington.

29. Colts: Kevin Burnett, LB, Tennessee.

30. Steelers: Corey Webster, CB, LSU.

31. Eagles: Matt Jones, WR/TE, Arkansas.

32. Patriots: Fabian Washington, CB, Nebraska.

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sunnyj

I just love mock drafts, each and everyone is differnt. Foxsports mock draft 9.0 has the Vikes getting Edwards at No. 7 and the Chargers getting Williams at No. 12.

Do the people who make these up get paid for this?

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buzzsaw

I know nothing about Odell Thurman!!

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lawdog

Its a complete guessing game, its not like there's any science to it.

If the Vikes are at all thinking running back, they BETTER have a deal done on trading what we have or they are just stupid. They will pay huge money for a early pick back when we have three already?!?!?!?!?! We need a big time reciever since they traded the best one in the league...

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Down to Earth

buzzsaw here you go.

Odell Thurman redshirted as a freshman at Georgia, then left for Georgia Military Academy. When he came back to Georgia, he was ready to wreak havoc on the field. In his first season on the field for the Bulldogs, Thurman had 121 tackles, 18.5 for loss, 6.5 sacks, and 2 interceptions. Heading into his junior season, he was on pre season all american lists and became a Butkus semi finalist after finishing with 65 tackles, 11 for loss, with 3 sacks, despite missing time with injury.

On the field, Thurman is a terror. He has very good instincts, and just flies to the ball. He has very good closing speed, and moves well laterally. He is a very good athlete, and has very good speed for a linebacker. He’s strong and can really lay a lick on defenders. He should also be able to play outside with his athleticism and speed.

The main issue with Thurman is his size. He comes up a bit short in height and bulk. He may need to pack on weight to stay inside, or it may force a move to the weakside.

Thurman is a very good linebacker prospect. If he were 2” taller and 10lbs heavier, he’s a guaranteed first round pick. As it stands, he looks like a solid 2nd rounder. He will be an impact defender in the NFL, it’s just a toss up right now on whether it will be inside or out.

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Piker

If I'm looking through the Georgia press guide for players I think I'd stop on Thomas Davis.

A couple of things caught my eye. First of all if one of the QB's is on the board when the Vikings pick they'll likely trade down. Even if it's one spot to Denny. That kind of thing happens all the time. I know I would trade down a spot and grab a 3rd rounder from Denny.

The other thing is Antrel Rolle going so late. I would be ecstatic if the Vikings were able to land a player like that at that spot. I think he's top 10 talent. I know we have CB's now, but I just think you have to take the best player and that's a good buy.

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cybermuskie

Here is KFAN's mock and what their thinking behind it was:

*04.13.05 -- Updated to coincide with KFAN dot com's third mock draft

Pick Player Comments

1. (7) Cedric Benson

RB | Texas Athletic grinder has proven he can handle 25-30 carries on a weekly basis. If USC receiver Mike Williams is off the board at No. 7, Benson is the logical choice. Vikings coach Mike Tice has said the team will renew its committment to the running game next season, and there isn't a back on the roster that has proven he can stay healthy while handling the lion's share of carries. The Vikings have had luck finding 'good' backs in the middle rounds of the draft; they haven't had a great one since Robert Smith retired after the 2000 season (Michael Bennett was a Pro Bowler in 2002 but has missed signficant time the last two years with injuries). Taking one of the three elite backs in this year's draft would be a step in the right direction. Other options could include Florida State offensive tackle Alex Barron, or reaching for any of a half-dozen pass-rushers. Cornerbacks Adam Jones of West Virginia and Antrel Rolle of Miami are the best defensive players on the board, but the Vikings are well-stocked at cornerback. Unless they trade down, there's little chance the Vikings will continue their offseason defensive upgrade with their initial pick.

1. (18) Thomas Davis

FS | Georgia Physical, run-stopping safety must improve his coverage skills to stick at that position as a pro. Though the Vikings are more likely to select a pass-rusher with this pick, our third mock draft projects the cream of the end crop will be off the board, leaving Davis as the best player at a position of need. He's a bit of a reach at No. 18, but starting safeties Corey Chavous and Darren Sharper each will turn 30 next season and Chavous was ineffective a year ago. Davis is considered a 'tweener' -- he had his most productive college season at strongside linebacker, and his coverage skills are suspect for a free safety -- but would have at least a year to develop and find a role that suits him. He showed improved speed at his pro day, running the 40 in 4.43 seconds (far better than his disappointing 4.60 at the combine) and is at his best in run support. The Vikings will be hesitant to use both first-round picks on offense, so Davis is the choice here.

2. (49) Terrence Murphy

WR | Texas A&M Steady deep threat posted solid college numbers despite playing in the Aggies' run-heavy system. A little bigger and faster than current No. 1 receiver Nate Burleson, though not as polished a pass-catcher. Like Burleson, Murphy might need a year to learn how to exploit consistent man coverage, but he should be able to contribute as a rookie. Though he might be a reach in Round 2, his potential as a return specialist increases his value to a team with the Vikings' needs. Ohio State kicker Mike Nugent certainly will be considered in this range, but the Vikings are reluctant to draft a kicker on Day 1 without acquiring extra mid-round picks elsewhere.

3. (80) Evan Mathis

G | Alabama One of the draft's strongest and most athletic offensive lineman, Mathis is built in the mold of a Vikings guard -- big (6-foot-5, 304 lbs.) and surprisingly fast (an eye-popping 4.92 in the 40-yard dash at the combine). He moved inside from tackle before his senior year and probably will play guard at the next level. With the o-line in need of interior depth -- and potentially a starter, if Adam Goldberg's move from tackle to left guard doesn't go smoothly -- Mathis' physical gifts make him a solid value in Round 3.

4. (114) Bill Swancutt

DE | Oregon St. Highly intelligent, strong defensive end was productive at the college level but might slide on draft day because of a below-average performance at the combine. If the Vikings don't add a pass-rusher in the first three rounds, they'll look for playmakers -- not athletes -- early on Day 2 to improve depth on the d-line. Despite his below-average speed and raw athleticism, Swancutt could be a tremendous value if he slides to the fourth round.

5. (145) Karl Paymah

CB | Washington St. Long (6-foot), physical cornerback with sneaky speed (ran the 40 in 4.35 seconds at the combine) was a solid college player and has the measureables to develop into a starter at the next level. His potential is worth a gamble if he hangs on the board this long.

6. (176) Tim Bulman

DT | Boston College Affable hard-worker plays physical despite lack of bulk. We're sure the last thing Vikings fans want is another undersized d-tackle from BC, but Bulman is the anti-Hovan. He's a well-liked, disciplined athlete who could win a reserve role behind Pro Bowler Kevin Williams and contribute on special teams.

7. (196) Nick Novak

K | Maryland Strong-legged Terp can convert consistently inside 40 yards and kick off at the next level. Novak remains the Vikings' seventh-round pick in our projections for the third straight week under the assumption the team doesn't grab a specialist (read: Nugent) on Day 1. Among the second-tier kickers -- Boise State's Tyler Jones, Ole Miss' Jonathan Nichols and Michigan State's Dave Raynor, to name a few -- Novak did the least to boost his stock in his senior year. But he performs better when he gets lots of opportunities, which should be the case in Minnesota. Novak is worth a look if Nugent lands elsewhere.

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Ole #1

If we did this and took Nugent in the 2nd, we're laughing grin.gif

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CNY Tim

I know the Browns should draft a quarterback but I still have Tim Couch 1st round shivers... I would like to see Edwards WR or Johnson LB but I have this feeling it's going to be a quarterback. I just think they can wait till round 2 on the quarterback. Take the best athlete with the first pick or trade down.

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Piker

CNY Tim and others, what do you think of Derrick Johnson's stock dropping on a lot of boards. I've seen him as low as 14 recently, but I've also seen him around #4. ESPN had an article about him and other LB's. They make it sound like he doesn't have a natural nose for the ball or tackle well. I'm a little leary of him. I'm just really hoping for the stork to bring me Mike Williams.

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cybermuskie

I found the Draft King's updated Mock (4/14)interesting.

Our 18th pick should make Ole happy, and I agree it would be cool. I can hear it now "Culpepper with the quick flip to Jones on the right side, wait a minute, Jones launches a deep pass down the left sidelines, Culpepper makes the catch...touchdown!" Oh crap my alarm went off, time to wake up and quit dreamin' grin.gif

2005 NFL Mock Draft

1. San Francisco 49ers - Aaron Rodgers, QB, Cal

2. Miami Dolphins - Ronnie Brown, RB, Auburn

3. Cleveland Browns - Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan

4. Chicago Bears - Mike Williams, WR, USC

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Cadillac Williams, RB, Auburn

6. Tennessee Titans - Adam "Pac Man" Jones, CB, West Virginia

7. Minnesota Vikings - Shawne Merriman, DE/OLB, Maryland

8. Arizona Cardinals - Alex Smith, QB, Utah

9. Washington Redskins - Antrel Rolle, CB, Miami

10. Detroit Lions - Alex Barron, OT, Florida St.

11. Dallas Cowboys - Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas

12. San Diego Chargers (from NY Giants) - Troy Williamson, WR, South Carolina

13. Houston Texans - Demarcus Ware, DE/OLB, Troy

14. Carolina Panthers - Cedric Benson, RB, Texas

15. Kansas City Chiefs - Carlos Rogers, CB, Auburn

16. New Orleans Saints - Travis Johnson, DT, Florida St.

17. Cincinnati Bengals - Shaun Cody, DT/DE, USC

18. Minnesota Vikings - Matt Jones, WR, Arkansas

19. St. Louis Rams - Jammal Brown, OT, Oklahoma

20. Dallas Cowboys (from Buffalo Bills) - Roddy White, WR, UAB

21. Jacksonville Jaguars - Khalif Barnes, OT, Washington

22. Baltimore Ravens - Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma

23. Seattle Seahawks - Erasmus James, DE, Wisconsin

24. Green Bay Packers - Marlin Jackson, CB, Michigan

25. Denver Broncos - Marcus Spears, DE, LSU

26. New York Jets - Heath Miller, TE, Virginia

27. Atlanta Falcons - Brodney Pool, S, Oklahoma

28. San Diego Chargers - Dan Cody, DE/OLB, Oklahoma

29. Indianapolis Colts - Channing Crowder, ILB, Florida

30. Pittsburgh Steelers - Fabian Washington, CB, Nebraska

31. Philadelphia Eagles - Thomas Davis, OLB/S, Georgia

32. New England Patriots - Kevin Burnett, OLB, Tennessee

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CNY Tim

Your right I just saw this from Frank Derry....

Derry: Merriman, Browns Might Make Nice Marraige

By Frank Derry

Date: Apr 15, 2005

There is a reason that University of Maryland linebacker Shawne Merriman has had his photo on the front page of BerniesInsiders.com three times this week. As Frank Derry explains, Merriman looks like a fantastic fit for the Browns new 3-4 defense. For it to happen, though, the Browns need to find some help...

Now don’t go betting the house on it, but I have a sneaky suspicion that when general manager Phil Savage announces the Browns’ first-round draft choice on April 23, the player’s name he calls will be Shawne Merriman.

However, there’s a catch.

The only way it will be Merriman, the outstanding defensive end/outside linebacker out of the University of Maryland, is if Savage is successful in moving down in the first round from his No. 3 spot to somewhere in the 8-10 range.

That is the highest Merriman is worthy of being drafted. And even that could be a reach. But if the Browns move below the No. 11 spot, then the Dallas Cowboys, who are at No. 11, in all likelihood will grab Merriman.

The Cowboys, much like the Browns, will be switching to a 3-4 defense this year, making a “tweener” like Merriman a perfect fit.

If Savage is unable to make a trade, look for the Browns to select University of Michigan wide receiver Braylon Edwards, providing, of course, he is still on the board.

If Edwards goes to someone with either the first or second overall choice, which is a distinct possibility, then the Browns would be hard-pressed not to choose between quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers out of California or Alex Smith out of Utah, or running back Ronnie Brown out of Auburn, depending upon which ones are still on the board.

The question that begs to be asked is, if the Browns want Merriman so bad, why not just use the third overall choice to get him?

Because that would totally go against Savage’s philosophy of taking the best player on the board regardless of position.

Edwards, Rodgers, Smith and Brown will clearly be ranked higher than Merriman. Running backs Carnell Williams and Cedric Benson and probably cornerback Antrel Rolle will also likely be ranked slightly higher than Merriman.

However, the Browns are in such desperate need of defensive linemen and outside linebackers at this point that they might have to go after Merriman even if he is slightly behind a few players on the board.

The recent trades of Gerard Warren, Michael Myers and Ebenezer Ekuban to the Denver Broncos, along with the free agency loss of Courtney Brown, also to the Broncos, definitely cut into the Browns’ depth on the defensive line.

When asked who his three starting defensive linemen would be if the season were to start tomorrow, Browns head coach Romeo Crennel smiled and said Orpheus Roye at one defensive end spot and veteran free agent Jason Fisk in the middle. “Those are the guys who have NFL experience,” said Crennel. “The rest of us, we are trying to find out what we can do.”

One guy who seemingly has impressed Crennel is “the Clemson kid,” second-year player Nick Eason.

Crennel isn’t quite sure what role Kenard Lang will play. “Outside linebacker is a possibility,” he said. “I told him I know that he can play end and I told him I want him to try to learn the outside linebacker spot.”

Crennel said if the season started tomorrow his starting linebackers would be Matt Stewart and Chaun Thompson on the outside and Andra Davis and Ben Taylor in the middle.

Crennel, when pressed whether Thompson is even close to being ready to handle an outside linebacker spot in a 3-4 defense, said with a big grin, “You told me if we were going to line up tomorrow. I have to put somebody in there.”

Crennel admits that even though Thompson’s first shot will come on the outside, that doesn’t mean he’ll end up there. “Everyone has to start (competing for a job) somewhere. In Chaun’s case, that will be on the outside and we’ll go from there.”

Crennel was known to rotate four or five outside linebackers during his days as the Patriots’ defensive coordinator. That might not be the case with the Browns.

“I think the situation in New England was such that when you have good players, you want to use them. We were fortunate enough to have four or five good outside linebackers. If we didn’t have four or five good ones, then we probably would have used just two. It depends on what you have. If we have four or five, we’ll use them. If we have just two, then we’ll use two. And if we don’t have but one, then we’ll try to get another one.”

Stewart is a proven commodity, having played the role for the Falcons for whom he started 51 of 54 games the past three seasons.

If he’s the “only one,” that might very well mean the 6-4, 250-pound Merriman, whose stock has risen quite a bit following the 2004 season, will be coming to Cleveland. Merriman, who is coming out after his junior year, has been scrutinized quite heavily by Crennel.

“He has a tremendous first step,” Crennel said. “That allows him to put pressure on the quarterback.”

The area of concern is whether Merriman has the ability to drop back into pass coverage. That’s not the least bit unusual for a “tweener” like Merriman and is a quality which will only come with time.

Further convincing me that the Browns will try to get Merriman are the comments of new Player Personnel Director Bill Rees, who says, “Outside linebacker is the critical position for the 3-4 defense. This where you really want to find your play-makers.

“These guys are hard to find because you are projecting defensive ends who play in a three-point stance to playing in a two-point stance.”

Rees says that Merriman went from playing at about 255 during the 2004 season to about 270 at the post-season workouts, contributing to his increase draft value. “He has great versatility, great power off the edge.,” Rees said. “You obviously can play him over a tight end and he’d win most of those battles.”

Rees also speaks highly of Georgia’s David Pollack, Troy State’s Demarcus Ware an Derrick Johnson out of Texas as potential outside linebackers capable of playing in the 3-4 defense.

But those three players would be distant second options to Merriman, who would look very good in a Browns uniform this fall.

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Juan Grande

Funny thing is that Paul Allen (KFAN) has an updated mock draft on the KFAN website with the Vikes taking Thomas Davis with the seven pick. In most of the mock drafts on this site, Davis is taken at the very end of the first round at the earliest.

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Ole #1

Would the draft hurry up and start already tongue.gif

I can't wait.

Ole

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panolo

Quote:

Funny thing is that Paul Allen (KFAN) has an updated mock draft on the KFAN website with the Vikes taking Thomas Davis with the seven pick. In most of the mock drafts on this site, Davis is taken at the very end of the first round at the earliest.


Davis won't be around when the Vikes pick 18. Linebacker size with cornerback speed. He's a killer. Great run support. The best safety in the draft by far.

Here is a good database of mock drafts.

http://www.hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm

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Down to Earth

Looked through a bunch of updated mocks this morning updated no later than the 16th. They are all over now more than ever on the Vikings pick at #7. Before there was a bit more consistency in the names you saw. Only 1 now had the Vikings going Defense with Johnson the LB out of Texas. Three different WR came up as well as the RB Williams out of Auburn. The 18 pick was split between Clayton the WR out of Oklahoma and some defensive names. It will be interesting to see where this Pollack guys ends up as I've seen him projected to both the Vikings and Packers in different mock drafts. Is it Saturday yet??

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buzzsaw

Awesome link Panolo!! The only downside is that I just spent 30 minutes surfing!

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Down to Earth

Spending 30 minutes surfing mock drafts a downside?? I only see positives in that. smile.gif

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CNY Tim

I have been seeing alot of blog stuff saying that Minnesota will make a deal with Cleveland to move up to the #3 spot to take Braylon Edwards which would be a good deal for the Vikings if they want a receiver that has big play ability. The Browns need help at every conceivable position except for tight end. I would be willing to give it up #3easily. We have lots of holes to fill especially at defense. I am also seeing interest from the Eagles as well to move up to the 3 spot for Edwards. Things are starting to get crazy. Can't wait for Saturday...

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Ole #1

Rumor today is that we are talking to Miami about trading our #7 and #18 for Miami's #2.

I don't like it.

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cybermuskie

I saw that mock also about the Vikes jumping up to Edwards at #3, but then they showed Williams going at #7 to Cleveland.

My thoughts are why trade up and lose draft picks when the other WR we want is going to be there at #7??? That would make no sense to trade up. If anything see who wants the #7 spot and see what we can get!

Just my .02 cents.

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james_walleye

The problem is there is a good chance neither of them will be there at #7, so you are taking a big risk by sitting and waiting back if you really think Edwards and Williams are the real deal and thats your biggest need. I have too say i dont think it would be a bad thing too trade up too get Braylon Edwards, he should be able too contribute immediately.

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cybermuskie

I realize that they may be both gone at #7, I was simply refering to the mock I saw, and how they had written it. No biggie.

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panolo

No problem on the link! I don't mind sharing.

As for trading up to nab Edwards.... I say no. So many good recievers are taken later in the draft that mortgaging this draft and possibly part of next years is not worth it. If he projected as high as Moss did than go for it, but he does not.

I say keep the pick. If Williams or Edwards falls to us there great. If not look at a DJ from Texas, Merriman, Pac Man, Rolle, or Cadillac. If not drop down a few picks and get a 3rd rounder or so. You are still gonna have a chance at 2 really good players. You bring players like Thomas Davis, Carlos Rogers, David Pollack, Marcus Spears, Travis Johnson, and Troy Williamson(I think he has great upside and would be ok at 7 with me. Here is a clip of his highlights. http://qisports.com/troywilliamson2005.html Look at the one at about 1:30. That safety has a bead on him and he outruns him by 7 yards! He also played in a terrible offense. He gives you the burner opposite Burleson. This is my guy!) into the mix at the early teens.

If you go D at 7 or early teens you still should have a shot at Mark Clayton or Roddy White with 18.

Clayton who is not huge or super fast is an excellent prospect in my book. He played in a very tough conference against great competition, has huge heart, is tough, very good hands, and is a all around smart player.

White is a bit of a project but has great speed, athletic ability, and decent hands.

I think we need something that we have not had in many years and that is depth. Face it fellas injuries happen in todays NFL. Players are the biggest, toughest, fastest, and strongest they have ever been. Even the best players today get hurt. If you have no depth it is so difficult to comeback from those injuries.

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CNY Tim

Edwards has gut feeling...

just heard on espn radio on the dan patrick show in an interview with braylon edwards he has a "gut feeling" the browns will choose him at #3

More insight...

Savage envisions a tandem of Edwards and tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. wreaking havoc on opposing defenses. Last season, Savage attended Edwards' game against Michigan State when he caught three TDs -- two on leaping grabs over cornerbacks -- as the Wolverines rallied from a 17-point fourth-quarter deficit to win.

Scheduling conflicts prevented the Browns from bringing Edwards in for a predraft visit, but the team has already done its homework on the 6-foot-3, 210-pounder.

"We have a comfort level with him," Savage said. "There's nothing else that he can say or tell us or do that would change our mind in terms of where we have him rated."

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